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highplainsdem

(48,918 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:35 PM Jul 2018

"This Was the Nightmare Scenario" - John Kelly gave GOP lawmakers permission to criticize Trump

Gabriel Sherman article in Vanity Fair:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-west-wing-revolts-after-trump-embraces-putin


As he flew home from Helsinki on Air Force One following his disastrous press conference with Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump reacted with surprise at the horror and outrage that was being expressed by much of the American political world. By the time he landed, the surprise had turned to anger. “He was enraged there was a lack of people out there defending him,” one Republican close to the White House told me. The mood among West Wing advisers was downright funereal. “This was the nightmare scenario,” another Republican in frequent contact with the administration said.

Trump had weathered epic crises of his own making before, from the Access Hollywood tape to Charlottesville to “shithole countries.” Each time he survived withering criticism by doubling down and counterattacking. But as he woke up Tuesday morning, Trump had to recognize that his embrace of Putin on the world stage was a crisis of a different magnitude, and he personally stepped in to try to manage the fallout.

While National Security Adviser John Bolton, according to a source, thought Trump’s remarks were ill-advised, he believed that walking them back would only add fuel to the outrage pyre and make the president look weak. But Chief of Staff John Kelly was irate. According to a source, he told Trump it would make things worse for him with Robert Mueller. He also exerted pressure to try to get the president to walk back his remarks. According to three sources familiar with the situation, Kelly called around to Republicans on Capitol Hill and gave them the go-ahead to speak out against Trump. (The White House did not respond to a request for comment.) Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan held televised press conferences to assert that Russia did meddle in the election.

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The White House -- via Kelly -- gave GOP lawmakers permission to speak out against Trump?

So for at least some of them it was a pretense coordinated with the White House?

Was the idea to have those "brave" lawmakers speak out against Trump, and then forgive him after he "clarified" his remarks?
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"This Was the Nightmare Scenario" - John Kelly gave GOP lawmakers permission to criticize Trump (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2018 OP
McConnell and Ryan need to read the Constitution. They don't need NCjack Jul 2018 #1
And they shouldn't have asked for it, either. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #3
Agree. Without action against Trump, they're complicit in his treason. highplainsdem Jul 2018 #9
Spineless, treasonous republicans. nt Ilsa Jul 2018 #2
This! joshdawg Jul 2018 #24
Scripted reality TV is what Trump does best. Is anyone surprised? Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #4
Please wake me up from this nightmare. Iliyah Jul 2018 #5
Gave them the go-ahead??? Like the equal branch of government needs permission??? nature-lover Jul 2018 #6
Or . . . empedocles Jul 2018 #7
The praetorian guard was not above treachery! nt Lucky Luciano Jul 2018 #22
And installing (and deposing) their own candidates as Emperor(s). Golden Raisin Jul 2018 #26
the entire party needs to be purged.... spanone Jul 2018 #8
Looks like more and more former Republicans agree with you. highplainsdem Jul 2018 #10
I wonder how much Mark Burnett is advising him. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #11
News reports suggest Trump spent a lot of time consulting with Bill Shine on the way back to the US. highplainsdem Jul 2018 #12
25th Amendment time. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #13
He says treasonous shit then walks it back so fox has something to report on. docgee Jul 2018 #14
This is nucking futz... yuiyoshida Jul 2018 #15
The rethugs are disgusting. gademocrat7 Jul 2018 #16
Why should we expect anything less from Repubs? NoMoreRepugs Jul 2018 #17
The Founders didn't account for a treasonous President and Congress. kairos12 Jul 2018 #18
kick to read later. n/t demmiblue Jul 2018 #19
Per 3 sources, Kelly privately lobbied congressional Republicans to rebuke Trump publicly for Putin demmiblue Jul 2018 #20
What are they? Corgis, that they need permission? sandensea Jul 2018 #21
How He Clarified DallasNE Jul 2018 #23
It is so telling the power the republicans have with trump... Equinox Moon Jul 2018 #25
What else do they need "permission from Kelly" for? dawg day Jul 2018 #27
so Congress is under orders KT2000 Jul 2018 #28
So the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives report to the White House Chief of Staff dalton99a Jul 2018 #29
So Trump was angry at our outrage. Marie Marie Jul 2018 #30
"gave permission" to members of a co-equal branch of government? are you fucking nuts???? niyad Jul 2018 #31

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
1. McConnell and Ryan need to read the Constitution. They don't need
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jul 2018

the president's approval to criticize AND act on his treasonous behavior.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,531 posts)
3. And they shouldn't have asked for it, either.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jul 2018

All that cooperation makes them bedfellows in my eyes.

Infuriating!

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
7. Or . . .
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jul 2018

As in this criminal organization, your Capitol suspects are mere 'underbosses'.

[Who may someday, conspire to depose/dispose of, the mob boss trump].

Qutzupalotl

(14,289 posts)
13. 25th Amendment time.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:25 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Past time. Come on, Kelly, save the damned country already and turn on him. Others will follow.

docgee

(870 posts)
14. He says treasonous shit then walks it back so fox has something to report on.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jul 2018

After that he double walks it back to treasonous. Fux only reports on the walk back statements and the red hats don't believe the treason.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
15. This is nucking futz...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:40 PM
Jul 2018

これはとてもばかげて、私はほとんど信じられない。 大統領はそんな嘘つきです!

(This is so stupid, I can hardly believe it, the President is such a liar! )

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
23. How He Clarified
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:23 PM
Jul 2018

Just changed the problem. Trump said that Putin made an "extremely strong and powerful" case that Russia didn't hack our election. He then concluded "I don't see any reason why it would be (Russia)" that was responsible. While a stupid thing to say, it passes the logic test. When you change "would" to "wouldn't" it now fails the logic test because it now contradicts "extremely strong and powerful". He wants it both ways - will the media let him off the hook? They have so far.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
25. It is so telling the power the republicans have with trump...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:45 PM
Jul 2018

Twice, the public and republicans rejected trump's actions and were effective in changing him. Separating families and treason.

It is so telling. We could take this guy down if the republicans got on board.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
27. What else do they need "permission from Kelly" for?
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jul 2018

"Can I vote against--"

"No!"

"Oh, okay. What ever you say, boss."

You'd never think they're in an equal branch of government.

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
28. so Congress is under orders
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:18 PM
Jul 2018

from the Executive. So much for the Constitution, but we already knew that. That should at least be the topic of news stories. Just frightening.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
30. So Trump was angry at our outrage.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jul 2018

After he thought he had "nailed it!". Can you imagine that tantrum baby Trump threw? Hope all present learned how to duck. What a clueless moron.

niyad

(113,079 posts)
31. "gave permission" to members of a co-equal branch of government? are you fucking nuts????
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:11 PM
Jul 2018

those gutless cowards don't need "permissin", they need integrity, decency, honour, ethics. NONE of which ANY of them possess.

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