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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:43 PM Jul 2018

Swalwell to Trump: Millions of us will make you an ex-president if you turn McFaul over to Putin





Take this to the bank, @realDonaldTrump: you turn over former U.S. Ambassador @McFaul to Putin, you can count on me and millions others to swiftly make you an ex-president.
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Swalwell to Trump: Millions of us will make you an ex-president if you turn McFaul over to Putin (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2018 OP
Bravo! dameatball Jul 2018 #1
Yes. We need more lawmakers to speak out this strongly. highplainsdem Jul 2018 #15
The US would NOT turn our Ambassador over to the Russians. tHE AMBASSADOR COULD REFUSE. trueblue2007 Jul 2018 #25
So what part of our current "government" you know FOR SURE would stop him? Bradshaw3 Jul 2018 #33
tHE former AMBASSADOR CAN refuse to participate. trueblue2007 Jul 2018 #40
In case you haven't noticed drumpf and the repubs have done all kinds of things people said ... Bradshaw3 Jul 2018 #43
whatever, i know what i know and you're wrong. trueblue2007 Jul 2018 #45
Jews in the 30s in Germany had that same certainty Bradshaw3 Jul 2018 #65
Bingo! SummerSnow Jul 2018 #76
Trump could not MAKE ME travel to Russia (or other hostile country) to be interrogated. pangaia Jul 2018 #52
OH. NO. I. AM. NOT. trueblue2007 Jul 2018 #64
Oh. OK. pangaia Jul 2018 #66
We have extradition treaties with most countries. 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #72
Trump and his enablers have been wiping their rear ends with the Constitution all along. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #80
Putin said something McFaul interpreted as ARREST and EXTRADITION. Not so simple. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #49
Wanna bet... Well, theoretically OUR government doesn't... pangaia Jul 2018 #51
I giggled at this. NutmegYankee Jul 2018 #58
Supposedly Trump "doesn't have the power" to do a lot of things that he does anyway. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #79
This means massive protests, I guess? The Repubs won't join him, I guess. It's up to the Dems... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #56
Do not be too confident that Trump could not succeed. olegramps Jul 2018 #78
You are right. That's why they bring combat weapons to rallies and marches....hoping for an excuse. dameatball Jul 2018 #82
Go Swallwell GO! BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #2
Why are we waiting? The threat of it is enough for me. RESIST! Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #3
I was going to offer McFaul sanctuary as well. TNNurse Jul 2018 #38
+1 ck4829 Jul 2018 #75
N/T Zoonart Jul 2018 #4
K&R... spanone Jul 2018 #5
Exactly! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #6
DON'T JOKE !!!!!!! pangaia Jul 2018 #53
Here is Amb. McFaul's latest tweet: Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #7
I don't know... WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2018 #30
You have heard Don the Con justgamma Jul 2018 #42
Kick and recommend. Get this to Greatest page! bronxiteforever Jul 2018 #8
Found this further down the same Twitter thread FakeNoose Jul 2018 #9
And all those laughing assholes behind him, too superpatriotman Jul 2018 #10
Wow! is right! Thanks for posting that! highplainsdem Jul 2018 #14
Mitch McConnell & Mike Pence aren't in that meme. Other than that.. japple Jul 2018 #29
Wow! This might finish what caging children started for some. Hortensis Jul 2018 #11
Can we just give them Dick Cheney instead? Mr.Bill Jul 2018 #12
Mc Faul should be somewhere in a safe house right now. Zoonart Jul 2018 #13
+100000 dewsgirl Jul 2018 #41
Hope McFaul Doesn't ... rustysgurl Jul 2018 #16
That we are even having this conversation shows the level of Enoki33 Jul 2018 #17
It's beyond surreal. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #28
I wish this were true, but obviously Republicans aren't going to remove Trump even for this. OliverQ Jul 2018 #18
I had the same thought. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #27
The problem is Eddie Munster and Bitchy Mitchy sandensea Jul 2018 #19
C'mon November! SCVDem Jul 2018 #20
Remember, they were enthusiastic about extraditing an America citizen to Turkey... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #21
This is besides the point Johnny2X2X Jul 2018 #22
He represented the Obama Admin... 2naSalit Jul 2018 #37
Don't need millions, Eric. It's only 236 of you keeping this going. JHB Jul 2018 #23
A most fair point. I hope he doesn't set himself up to be a paper tiger. ancianita Jul 2018 #32
Strong language. Succinct message. Tatiana Jul 2018 #24
In your face, Comrade Dirty Donny* (R) Achilleaze Jul 2018 #26
The fact that Trump was too dumb to understand exboyfil Jul 2018 #31
There is zero chance Trump will turn McFaul over, just as there's zero chance Putin is going to send hughee99 Jul 2018 #34
I 100% disagree with you. pangaia Jul 2018 #57
Unfortunately, I agree... infinite_wisdom Jul 2018 #59
The fact is it's a "discussion" RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #67
It's a discussion much in the same way that there is still hughee99 Jul 2018 #73
We've heard "zero chance" time and time again for the last couple of years ck4829 Jul 2018 #74
To be fair, we've also heard there's zero chance hughee99 Jul 2018 #81
They are the ones floating this trial balloon JonLP24 Jul 2018 #84
The problem is that catching McFaul on financial crimes, in russia hughee99 Jul 2018 #85
Even if Russia has evidence of this JonLP24 Jul 2018 #86
Turning him over to Russia sends a message to the people hughee99 Jul 2018 #87
I probably won't be around JonLP24 Jul 2018 #88
Trump just announced he is not going to accept JonLP24 Jul 2018 #89
Has it really come to this ? Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #35
Got my pitchfork ready! 2naSalit Jul 2018 #36
CHRIST ON ROLLER SKATES! orangecrush Jul 2018 #39
"if you turn over" keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #44
This deserves its own thread! I can see this happening... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2018 #70
100% absolutely with you, Congressman S. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #46
Pay attention to Right Wing media. Let's see if they start demonizing Ambassador McFaul. Midnight Writer Jul 2018 #47
When do we picket? ffr Jul 2018 #48
How much more treason from Putin's lapdog workinclasszero Jul 2018 #50
These threats have the added bonus of further destruction of the State Dept. Ilsa Jul 2018 #54
Now THAT is a real leader. nt Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #55
Yep. highplainsdem Jul 2018 #60
They who? Lint Head Jul 2018 #61
Or maybe we can send Trump along with him? rocktivity Jul 2018 #62
Turning over ANY American to that murderous thug will be a "bridge too far". roamer65 Jul 2018 #63
Bengazi guss Jul 2018 #68
K&R ck4829 Jul 2018 #69
Trump always tests real boundaries like these, doesn't he? bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #71
This is rendition, right? Ohioboy Jul 2018 #77
He can go to h***. Lifelong Protester Jul 2018 #83

trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
25. The US would NOT turn our Ambassador over to the Russians. tHE AMBASSADOR COULD REFUSE.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jul 2018

OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO TURN A CITIZEN OVER TO A HOSTILE COUNTRY.

trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
40. tHE former AMBASSADOR CAN refuse to participate.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:04 PM
Jul 2018

What part of The government can not compel a US citizen to travel out of our country to a HOSTILE COUNTRY to be interrogated, don't you understand?
Please read what i wrote.
Trump could not MAKE ME travel to Russia (or other hostile country) to be interrogated. I am sure our Constitution supports my opinion.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
43. In case you haven't noticed drumpf and the repubs have done all kinds of things people said ...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jul 2018

.. couldn't be done. Any other presdient would have bene impeached long ago for what he has done. You are assuming the repubs in control are going by the constitution - unfortunately that is an open question.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
65. Jews in the 30s in Germany had that same certainty
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:14 PM
Jul 2018

They were wrong. And no one knows for sure what is going to happen, no matter how much they might believe it. No one including people who live with the delusion that they do.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
52. Trump could not MAKE ME travel to Russia (or other hostile country) to be interrogated.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:05 PM
Jul 2018

Are you serious?

My dear, with all DU respect.... you are very naive.



trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
64. OH. NO. I. AM. NOT.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:32 PM
Jul 2018

68 YEAR OLD WOMAN MAJORED IN HISTORY AIN'T NAIVE OR DUMB.

The point is MOOT and there is no reason to continue yapping about this because it will not happen.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
66. Oh. OK.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 09:26 PM
Jul 2018

Majored in history. WOW. That IS impressive.
I just 'majored in music.' What could I possibly know.

3Hotdogs

(12,372 posts)
72. We have extradition treaties with most countries.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:18 AM
Jul 2018

Is it just this guy we ain't gonna turn over or nobody to no country?

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
58. I giggled at this.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jul 2018

He could refuse about as much as an inmate on death row can refuse to go the the death chamber.

As far as the "government doesn't have the power". Uh, laws mean little to this criminal regime. Just saying...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
56. This means massive protests, I guess? The Repubs won't join him, I guess. It's up to the Dems...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:10 PM
Jul 2018

the Dem politcians and the masses of people, including Dems, independents, no party, third parties.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
78. Do not be too confident that Trump could not succeed.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:39 PM
Jul 2018

He could order his arrest on trumped up charges. Then have him retained in a federal prison or military prison under orders of the Commander and Chief. That could result in exactly what they are looking for. Massive rioting would be encouraged leading to the declaration of a national emergency and the declaration of martial law. Elections would be suspended and Trump could then become exactly what the Republicans Neo-cons have sought for forty years, an Authoritarian Presidency. Good bye Republic until the next revolution. If you think that their isn't enough radicals to start actual blood shed on the streets, then just visit a few of the Republican boards where they are calling for the massive slaughter of Liberals. I actually think that the are crazy enough to try it.

dameatball

(7,396 posts)
82. You are right. That's why they bring combat weapons to rallies and marches....hoping for an excuse.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:24 PM
Jul 2018

Sooner or later that excuse will happen. After that...….who knows?

Some of the asshats have more money invested in their weapons than they do their car or truck. In their minds it would be a shame not to use them.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
3. Why are we waiting? The threat of it is enough for me. RESIST!
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jul 2018

He will turn over McFaul in a hot second.
Mr McFaul...if you're listening...you can hide out here. Thank you for your service.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
38. I was going to offer McFaul sanctuary as well.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jul 2018

I hope he has more options that are more secure but he is welcome here.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
6. Exactly!
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:49 PM
Jul 2018

The very idea of this even as a suggested talking point is completely unAmerican. We don't hand our people over to adversaries. Particularly this adversary.

What's next? He'll want all his critics shot?

Enough!

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
7. Here is Amb. McFaul's latest tweet:
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:50 PM
Jul 2018
I hope the White House corrects the record and denounces
in categorical terms this ridiculous request from Putin. Not doing
so creates moral equivalency between a legitimacy US indictment
of Russian intelligence officers and a crazy, completely
fabricated story invented by Putin


WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
30. I don't know...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:45 PM
Jul 2018

Cheetojesus probably won't think it's forceful and strong enough as a denial, so he'll just turn him over.
My level of hatred for this man surprises even me sometimes.

justgamma

(3,665 posts)
42. You have heard Don the Con
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jul 2018

"moral equivalency between a legitimacy US indictment of Russian intelligence officers and a crazy, completely fabricated story invented by Putin"

You've hit the nail on the head. The Orange one can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie. That's why we're in this situation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Wow! This might finish what caging children started for some.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:58 PM
Jul 2018
Politico: "On Tuesday, the Russian Prosecutor General’s office released a wishlist of potential people to extradite, including members of the State and Homeland Security departments and members of the CIA. McFaul, a former ambassador who had strained relations with the Kremlin and has since said he was banned from traveling to Russia, was also included."


Bloomberg: “Putin has been harassing me for a long time,” McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia under former President Barack Obama, said on Twitter on Wednesday. “That he now wants to arrest me, however, takes it to a new level. I expect my government to defend me and my colleagues in public and private.”

Or at least advance doubts in some feckless wobblies. I hope all these Americans are getting assurances of asylum from other nations.

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
16. Hope McFaul Doesn't ...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jul 2018

... wind up having a 'stroke' somewhere. I began to type 'this is starting to get scary,' but then realized it's been scary for a while.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
17. That we are even having this conversation shows the level of
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jul 2018

despotic behavior coming from a truly evil human some people call president. This deranged man thinks such a conversation takes precedence over the Russians indicted by Mueller. The stench of being a Russian agent spreads nationwide.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
19. The problem is Eddie Munster and Bitchy Mitchy
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jul 2018

Cheeto could hand Putin the keys to the Pentagon, and they still wouldn't allow so much as a censure of him.

Johnny2X2X

(19,038 posts)
22. This is besides the point
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:25 PM
Jul 2018

Do people even realize that this is some zany conspiracy theory that McFaul did anything illegal?

JHB

(37,158 posts)
23. Don't need millions, Eric. It's only 236 of you keeping this going.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:25 PM
Jul 2018

Really, if you need to make that claim at this date, are you nailed to the fence or something?

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
31. The fact that Trump was too dumb to understand
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jul 2018

what Putin was asking for should not be a defense. When will the cultists stop grading on a curve?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
34. There is zero chance Trump will turn McFaul over, just as there's zero chance Putin is going to send
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jul 2018

any of his people to the US for trial.

 

infinite_wisdom

(73 posts)
59. Unfortunately, I agree...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:43 PM
Jul 2018

We have an extremely unstable quasi-Fascist President and a Republican party (with a few exceptions) that has shown zero courage.

I don't think Cheeto would do it, but I would not be totally surprised if he did.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
73. It's a discussion much in the same way that there is still
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:28 AM
Jul 2018

A discussion about how Hillary will take over as president for Trump. It may be time to impeach, but not because of this discussion.

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
74. We've heard "zero chance" time and time again for the last couple of years
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:01 AM
Jul 2018

Zero chance he'll be the nominee
Zero chance he'll win the election
Zero chance he'll embolden the worst parts of the US who should be in rubber rooms, not close to power

I've been disappointed over and over again.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
81. To be fair, we've also heard there's zero chance
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jul 2018

Martin o’malley win the primary and there’s zero chance the Browns will win the Super Bowl. In this case, though, there’s zero chance because there’s nothing in it for Trump personally or politically.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
84. They are the ones floating this trial balloon
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:43 PM
Jul 2018

Trump always hurts himself politically but that doesn't seem to stop them. Israel Ambassador sounded alarm bells hours before this trial balloon entered the MSM.

Former US ambassador to Israel sounds the alarm on Trump embracing Putin’s most sinister Helsinki proposal

Dan Shapiro, who served as an ambassador to Israel under the Obama administration, is raising alarms about President Donald Trump potentially embracing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plan to extradite Michael McFaul, the former American ambassador to Russia.

Reacting to Russian state media reports about Putin bringing up the possibility of Trump sending him McFaul in exchange for letting special counsel Robert Mueller’s team question Russian operatives about their alleged role in interfering in the 2016 presidential election, Shapiro writes that Trump may just be stupid enough to believe this would be a good deal.



“My 11-year old knows the offer is ludicrous and unacceptable,” he writes. “Russia will provide nothing on the 12 operatives, use any visit to gather intel on the investigation, & try to elevate garbage charges against Putin’s opponents to the level of Mueller’s well-documented allegations. Trump didn’t get it.”

Shapiro then went on to say that he was particularly horrified by the possibility of Trump extraditing McFaul as a way to stick it to former President Barack Obama.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/former-us-ambassador-israel-sounds-alarm-trump-embracing-putins-sinister-helsinki-proposal/

Sticking it to Obama is always a motive for Trump but they could never float extradition but only "questioning"

We better hope there is 0% but this is more evidence of his treachery.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
85. The problem is that catching McFaul on financial crimes, in russia
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:21 PM
Jul 2018

Doesn’t really “stick it” to Obama any more than catching Manafort on financial crimes “sticks it” to Trump. I think it doesn’t bother Trump at all to let these stories float around in the press and generate a lot of outrage against something he never really intended to do anyway.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
86. Even if Russia has evidence of this
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:15 PM
Jul 2018

The US nor does Russia turn over diplomats that are caught as spies or commiting crimes you persona non grata kicked out of the country see the Raymond James incident or countless other examples. Allowing Russia to "interrogate him" would be unprecedented. Senate voted 98-0. No doubt Putin brought it up in that private meeting we know nothing about McFaul was on TV speaking out against it. If he doesn't do it it will be because of the outrage.

Sticking it to Obama was his motive that night in Moscow which is why he specifically wanted the room Obama's slept in. You said he doesn't have any political or personal reasons he wants a second summit! Praised Russia art the first one.

If billions left Russia and he has d something to do with it then he should be given a medal considering Russia's attack on our country. If he gave him up even for interrogation that would be sticking it to Obama and part of his continued selling out to Russia.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
87. Turning him over to Russia sends a message to the people
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jul 2018

He wants loyalty from that he’ll even sell out US diplomats for petty revenge with no real value. I guess we’ll see. I anticipate a lot of outrage about what Trump might do, and then nothing happens.

Bookmark this if you like, and you can tell me you told me so if it actually happens.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
88. I probably won't be around
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 06:48 PM
Jul 2018

Trial balloon released by Trump (why isn't poisoning or information and cyber war not coming out of that meeting)

I usually just catch a subthread get stuck trying to post on a phone then I go to top of another forum stuck on another sub thread I wouldn't do a told you so because I didn't even think Trump would be foolish enough to double down on another summit.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
89. Trump just announced he is not going to accept
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jul 2018

Russia's "generous offer" so you can do a told you so.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
46. 100% absolutely with you, Congressman S.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

America isn't going down to that fat piece of nazi offal, without a fight.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
47. Pay attention to Right Wing media. Let's see if they start demonizing Ambassador McFaul.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:38 PM
Jul 2018

If so, the machine is moving and he is in real danger.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
50. How much more treason from Putin's lapdog
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:00 PM
Jul 2018

do we have to take??

Will Trump turning over US diplomats to certain torture and death at the hand of our enemy Putin do the trick????

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
54. These threats have the added bonus of further destruction of the State Dept.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:07 PM
Jul 2018

This is how you make ambassadors and staff nervous and want to quit. My guess is that Marines will protect them overseas, but if your president has you arrested and extradited back, people will leave State in droves. Same thing with CIA and other ooeratives.

guss

(239 posts)
68. Bengazi
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:10 PM
Jul 2018

Shit... 3 years or more, of investigations of Benghazi.
To try to prove that Hillary's was incompetent because
Ambassador was kill during an attack.
because the Republicans took away funding for security for embassy's

Then Trump gonna Send a Ambassador to get waterboarded
and tortured to appease his boss Putin.

WTF

...sad traitor...

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