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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking -two weeks before the inauguration Don the Con was shown
Details that Putin ordered the hacking.
NYT
Bwaaaaaaah! The fucker has been lying - collusion and conspiracy.
Don't fuck with the intelligence agencies.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Turn on Lawrence now
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)So yes and to 'keep it secret' Ryan as well.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Because they acted in bad faith to uphold their Constitutional oaths.
What is wrong with these people ? Did they think we would just roll over and forget ?
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)He knew about this from the intelligence agencies January 6. Of course he knew - he helped them steal it.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)I think this might be it.. Wa da ya thinK? He Knew since Jan 2017..
Fucking A!
malaise
(268,724 posts)currently constituted. So heck did not accept their views when Comey, Brennan et al were st the helm. There is no other interpretation.
highplainsdem
(48,921 posts)triron
(21,984 posts)Nah
manor321
(3,344 posts)We've heard this already, specifically that our intelligence agencies have evidence that Putin ordered this attack.
Not sure why the NYT is classifying it this way.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)iluvtennis
(19,836 posts)summer 2106 news articles never said Putin ordered it - that is new to me. Although as you say, critical thinking would infer that Putin would have ordered it.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...that was presented to Trump is what makes his denials all the more outrageous. I can see that, though it's been clear for a long time that Trump would have been briefed. And, as you say, it's a given that Putin ordered the attack.
iluvtennis
(19,836 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...which is that he's said many times before that he trusts US intelligence agencies. When asked why he referred to Russian interference as a hoax or a witch hunt, he'll say he wasn't referring to Russian interference but only to the notion that he colluded with Russia. Or, who knows, maybe he'll just say he left out the word "not" in front of 'a hoax' and 'a witch hunt'.
If asked why he kept insisting that it could have been anyone and not necessarily Russia, I suspect he'll double down on his "there may have been others involved--we just don't know" nonsense.
iluvtennis
(19,836 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Proves hes been lying all these months. Even his most ardent supporters cant deny that now.
SergeStorms
(19,187 posts)If Trump can deny it, his brain-dead supporters can deny it, and will! They're not what we call, "grounded in reality", 'ya know?
Never "misunderestimate" the stupidity and mental density of a Republican.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)and was shown texts and emails from Russian agents proving it. He's been lying his ass off ever since.
The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.
Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.
The shifting narrative underscores the degree to which Mr. Trump regularly picks and chooses intelligence to suit his political purposes. That has never been more clear than this week.
triron
(21,984 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)And the cowed, complicit GOP will do nothing.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)oasis
(49,338 posts)Putin was named. Trump bullshitted the public for all this time since.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)oasis
(49,338 posts)IMPEACHMENT.
riversedge
(70,094 posts)oasis
(49,338 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)The law is not dependent on the base
babylonsister
(171,036 posts)It's funny yet terribly sad.
This guy needs to go; such a disgusting liar, always.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,534 posts)Collusion and conspiracy indeed.
Nail all of them to the fucking wall!
malaise
(268,724 posts)He is going down
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)that will come out that will get him removed from office.
Freethinker65
(10,001 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)ggmac0427
(38 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)bdamomma
(63,803 posts)he was shown the reports but did he ever read it???
almost like daily briefing in August 2001, Osama Bin Laden determined to strike in the US, and no one did shit.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)they SHOWED him actual emails and texts. He didn't have to read much if anything.
Chickensoup
(650 posts)THE YES HAVE IT. Impeachment on the way.after NOV.2018
RKP5637
(67,089 posts)Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)They are laying the groundwork to steal the outcome in November and steal it they will.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)voteearlyvoteoften
(1,716 posts)Getting louder and closer. Blasting the horn. Faster and faster the facts are running over the soon to be former President.
babylonsister
(171,036 posts)RobinA
(9,886 posts)the freight train that never seems to get there and then goes whizzing by on a parallel track.
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)Blue Owl
(50,291 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Nicely done.
RKP5637
(67,089 posts)been in place for some time. There are just too many avenues being explored ... and far too many characters involved. And in other areas far too much quietness. Many will do anything for power and money, we've seen it all throughout history. Many politicians IMO in the US are no exception.
malaise
(268,724 posts)Ryan - keep it secret
Don't fuck with the intelligence folks and lie about Obama.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)and McConnell knew, too. They were briefed by Brennan and Jeh Johnson along with the rest of the gang of 8.
malaise
(268,724 posts)Putin pays the Con
Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)and although he said he couldn't discuss classified info, he did say he and the other "gang of 8" members were kept abreast of what the intel community knew. I took that as meaning, yes, Ryan and McConnell knew Putin was behind the hacking. That makes them just as complicit as Trump.
malaise
(268,724 posts)dansolo
(5,376 posts)As a member of the "gang of 8", Devin Nunes was also given all of this information. Why aren't people mentioning this more? In his most recent attacks on the FBI and the DOJ he claims that there was no justification for the Russia investigation, when he was actually briefed on all of this at the time.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)who blocked Obama from a joint bi-partisan statement. In light of the NYT story, this now makes sense because the two of them knew if they did so, it would mean 0 possibility of Trump winning.
Nunes is surely also an accessory after the fact and a co-conspirator to obstruct justice (Mueller investigation).
bdamomma
(63,803 posts)that Ryan and McConnell were in on it,when the Access Hollywood tape came out when tRump mentioned pu**y gate, and neither McConnell or Ryan said anything. They were involved from the get-go.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Indictable, impeachable offense!
spanone
(135,795 posts)Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)Quixote1818
(28,921 posts)Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)PoorMonger
(844 posts)I think this is why he doesnt read or listen to daily briefings and just flat out admits it. Its some warped notion of legal protection for plausible deniability when stuff comes out and hes done nothing about it.
He will argue he never knew shit.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,534 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)Can't have a fair and honest election if it's being compromised by foreign agents, now, can we?
Or a way to nullify it if the Democratic party wins big. Russians hacked the election to aid the Democrats! We have proof!
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)in the WH is on the same par as the Weathermen bombings in the '70s.
triron
(21,984 posts)TeamPooka
(24,210 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)malaise
(268,724 posts)Gang of eight. Further why did Ryan tell them to keep 'Putin pays the Con' secret?
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Msnbc and cnn never brought it up?
Little miffed borh channels had crawls that read:
President now accepts Russian meddling.
Did they forget all the other things?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Every single day more and more of our speculation and assumptions are being verified. We started with limited facts and now have a mound of evidence.
I think at some point we should look at the conspiracy theory aspect of all of this. Much of this was being discussed two years ago. At that point much of the talk could have been correctly labeled as a conspiracy theory due to the limited but damning facts that were known. A lot of assumptions were being made with strong yet little evidence. Over the last two years what was a general conspiracy theory has turned to reality.
For now, fuck Trump.
malaise
(268,724 posts)He was colluding with them. Now we wait for Mueller to show that.
Collusion and Conspiracy - treason.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)It's been public knowledge since right after the inauguration.