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orangecrush

(19,546 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:23 AM Jul 2018

WaPo - "If this is not treason, then what is it?"


"We should have a debate over whether treason is being committed by the White House. Yes, I just typed those words."


"Based on the actions of the Trump administration this week, reasonable people can disagree over whether treason is being committed. Let me repeat that: Reasonable people can disagree over whether treason is being committed by this White House.

I do not want to be writing those words. Much as I may have disagreed with previous administrations in my lifetime, I never doubted that the people in those administrations were trying to advance the national interest the best way they thought possible. After this past week, can that case be made with Trump and his national security team?

At some point, Trump will no longer be president. It will be tempting for whomever succeeds him to turn the page on history, declare bygones and move forward. Not me. The behavior of the Trump administration this week has been suspect. It demands a reckoning. A former CIA chief of Russian operations tweeted, “From a counterintelligence perspective, something is going on behind the scenes. Before Helsinki I was less sure; post Helsinki, I feel sick.”


I feel sick typing these words. But the words and actions of this president, his administration, and his loyalists sickens me even more."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/posteverything/wp/2018/07/19/if-this-is-not-treason-then-what-is-it/


Click the link, well worth reading, there is a lot of damning information.


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WaPo - "If this is not treason, then what is it?" (Original Post) orangecrush Jul 2018 OP
It is treason. dalton99a Jul 2018 #1
It is a black comedy. orangecrush Jul 2018 #6
That's a fact. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #9
The investigations and prosecutions of Trumps crimes should never end until every criminal is found Renew Deal Jul 2018 #2
If Wapo is out publicly with treason. Wow! empedocles Jul 2018 #3
Why should there be a debate? He is committing treason out in the open. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #4
This is a political case empedocles Jul 2018 #7
I disagree orangecrush Jul 2018 #15
anyone with a brain in their head bdamomma Jul 2018 #5
This professor at Tufts is a little slow on the uptake if he is just discovering ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #8
"It will be tempting for whomever succeeds him...." mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #10
As TREASON hits hard everywhere this morning; but, meanwhile, at fox spews this moment empedocles Jul 2018 #11
Because most Republicans don't care about any of this and support him completely oberliner Jul 2018 #13
Daniel W. Drezner has been a Never Trump-er for a while oberliner Jul 2018 #12
Great read mcar Jul 2018 #14
... orangecrush Jul 2018 #16

orangecrush

(19,546 posts)
6. It is a black comedy.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:39 AM
Jul 2018

Saw an article about moving the goalposts for Trump that showed how ridiculous things are becoming.

It should never have come this far.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
2. The investigations and prosecutions of Trumps crimes should never end until every criminal is found
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jul 2018

We cannot just let Trumps behavior go when he’s gone. We need to prove that his traitorous behavior will never be tolerated again.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. If Wapo is out publicly with treason. Wow!
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jul 2018

there is a lot going on behind the scenes. Much to come soon. Wow!

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
7. This is a political case
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:43 AM
Jul 2018

It must be politically, publicly, legally strengthened and built - as Mueller is methodically, patiently doing - as he well should!

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
5. anyone with a brain in their head
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:34 AM
Jul 2018

and who understands the Constitution it is TREASON, and we have a traitorous POS in the highest office, I guess those who are supporting him to the end are on wrong side of history.

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
8. This professor at Tufts is a little slow on the uptake if he is just discovering
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:47 AM
Jul 2018

Trump's treason this week. Welcome to the resistance.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
10. "It will be tempting for whomever succeeds him...."
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jul 2018

What? Sheesh, not again.

Whoever vs. Whomever

To determine whether to use whoever or whomever, the he/him rule in the Who/Whom section applies:

he = whoever
him = whomever

Rule 1. The presence of whoever or whomever indicates a dependent clause. Use whoever or whomever to agree with the verb in that dependent clause, regardless of the rest of the sentence.

Examples:
Give it to whoever/whomever asks for it first.
He asks for it first. Therefore, whoever is correct.

We will hire whoever/whomever you recommend.
You recommend him. Therefore, whomever is correct.

We will hire whoever/whomever is most qualified.
He is most qualified. Therefore, whoever is correct.

Rule 2. When the entire whoever/whomever clause is the subject of the verb that follows the clause, look inside the clause to determine whether to use whoever or whomever.

Examples:
Whoever is elected will serve a four-year term.
Whoever is the subject of is elected. The clause whoever is elected is the subject of will serve.

Whomever you elect will serve a four-year term.
Whomever is the object of elect. Whomever you elect is the subject of will serve.

A word to the wise: Whomever is even more of a vogue word than whom. Many use it indiscriminately to sound cultured, figuring that no one will know any better.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
11. As TREASON hits hard everywhere this morning; but, meanwhile, at fox spews this moment
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jul 2018

Right now, 10:15a the big story is . . . an interview with 'President Trump' and his 2020 re-election plans.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Because most Republicans don't care about any of this and support him completely
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:24 AM
Jul 2018

That's why it is important to flip over to Fox occasionally and recognize this reality.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Daniel W. Drezner has been a Never Trump-er for a while
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jul 2018

We need to start hearing this from Republicans in Congress.

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