More MAGA fallout..

[HipChick]

The fog is lifting...

My MAGA humper neighbor today, was pissed...started ranting about how he didn't vote for Putin to be running the country...he ranted on about how Dolt45 was being so weak..
Was he going to vote for him again? This Putin thing has got to him..

[TreasonousBastard]

1. Excellent! The best way to convert them is for them to convert themselves...

But, might I suggest you don't rub it in.

[coti]

3. Just say it's about our country, not Trump. If he has any sense at all he will agree with it.

[gopiscrap]

43. fuck that

rub it in big time..tell them how stupid and treasonous they are and how they helped fuck this county over

[karynnj]

77. That might make you feel good, but it really is better for them to realize that Trump is terrible

Many voted for him knowing he was a person without integrity, honor or morality, but they bought that his goals were their goals.

The difference in the op's account is that the person now sees that at least on foreign policy, Trump's goals are NOT theirs. On other issues - like the supreme court - he may still be in line with them. The big question is whether in 2018, they might see that a check is needed on Trump and the ONLY possible check that they could be part of getting is having the House or Senate in Democratic hands. However, if they have a long term positive relationship with their represenatives, they might be reluctant to vote against THEIR representatives and will hope others do.

2020 is far away and there, if they are conservative Republicans, they might vote for a primary challenger of Trump. The ones we might win back are the ones who voted for Obama in 2008 or 2012. They are clearly not ideologues. We need to make 2020 a referendum on Trump.

[sprinkleeninow]

46. I have said [believe] those need to 'come to the end of themselves', so to speak.

💙🇺🇸🌊

[Snotcicles]

63. The wider their eyes open the more they see. nt

[empedocles]

2. bit o' light

. . .

[TheBlackAdder]

67. Yeah, but he'll vote for Trump again, especially when FOX and his family say Putin's our Best Bud.

[Wounded Bear]

4. Even if he just stays home, it would be a win...

[FM123]

51. Yes! We may never be able to get these trumplicans to vote Democrat

but just to stay home and sulk, is a win for us!

[nuxvomica]

5. The local free weekly got interesting today

The paper, called "The Glens Falls Chronicle", is owned by a conservative Republican who often writes a lot of angry stuff against liberals. I was shocked to see today's issue had a reprint from another paper on the front page, which is pretty unusual. This is what they reprinted:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

[scarletwoman]

17. OMG! That's certainly a terrifying article!

Moral boundaries
But when you’ve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination.

It is this next step that is being test-marketed now. It is being done in Italy by the far-right leader and minister for the interior Matteo Salvini. How would it go down if we turn away boatloads of refugees? Let’s do a screening of the rough-cut of registering all the Roma and see what buttons the audience will press. And it has been trialled by Trump: let’s see how my fans feel about crying babies in cages. I wonder how it will go down with Rupert Murdoch.

To see, as most commentary has done, the deliberate traumatisation of migrant children as a “mistake” by Trump is culpable naivety. It is a trial run – and the trial has been a huge success. Trump’s claim last week that immigrants “infest” the US is a test-marketing of whether his fans are ready for the next step-up in language, which is of course “vermin”. And the generation of images of toddlers being dragged from their parents is a test of whether those words can be turned into sounds and pictures. It was always an experiment – it ended (but only in part) because the results were in.

‘Devious’ infants
And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it – his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors. They went the whole swinish hog: even the brown babies are liars. Those sobs of anguish are typical of the manipulative behaviour of the strangers coming to infest us – should we not fear a race whose very infants can be so devious? Second, the hardcore fans loved it: 58 per cent of Republicans are in favour of this brutality. Trump’s overall approval ratings are up to 42.5 per cent.

Horrifying...

[BlancheSplanchnik]

20. It's the goddamn propaganda.

I want the Fairness Rule reinstated. I see murdoch’s evil network, and its ilk, as the poison that is contaminating people’s ability to reason. Basically it is broadcasting brainwashing.

[scarletwoman]

25. Yes, the Fairness Doctrine.

Truthfully, I'm not sure if that would even work at this point.

The over-arching problem is that "news" became a profit center instead of a public service in return for the use of the public airwaves.

Thus was born "infotainment".

[BlancheSplanchnik]

32. Truth. Privately owned cable broadcasting,

immune to public airwaves regulations, can claim freedom of speech rights, I think. And they’ve got a 24hrs/day cycle. They’ve got a lot of airtime to fill.

It’s all about profit$.

[scarletwoman]

40. We are so fucked.

I'm sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but TV media-wise we are very, very fucked.

Our only hope - and it's very faint - is if Democrats win the midterms, both houses of Congress, the makeup of the FCC can be changed and media mergers/monopolies can be undone somehow over time.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

41. Yes....the reality now is an enormous edifice.

So entrenched with tentacles everywhere, it would take a long time to change.

OTOH, more people turning off that kind of sewage would accomplish the same thing. People might just be changing. 🤞🏾

[scarletwoman]

42. "People might be changing." That's always that hope.

But at nearly 69 years old, I'm kind of losing that hope.

I graduated H.S. in 1967 - the Summer of Love - and all these years later, it seems to me that lots of people in our country have been steadily changing for the worse.

Back when I was young, I was sure we would change the world, and that enlightenment would win out. Now I think that only thing that will truly change the world is environmental catastrophe and a massive die-off of homosapiens.

I apologize for being so pessimistic.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

59. SW, at 70 I'm prone to agree with you.

But, we do have the rest of our lives to try to enjoy, and I hope to start doing that soon.

I don't see the trends reversing either because of international trickle-up economics and what the ultra-wealthy are doing with their money against us on the street. Inequality may well get worse with time and we could end up with another world-wide great depression.

My parents both went through the Great Depression in the 30s as very poor people in farming and timber, and they saw our recovery after WW2. I remember several times when they would get disgusted with people's behavior, my parents or grandparents would say: "what the world needs now is another Great Depression".

I'm sure what they meant was the we were overdue for another huge dose of humility and moral reset, and that's exactly what the world needs right now.

...................

[UCmeNdc]

44. Agree. We did not have these information propaganda problems under The fairness rule.

We need to bring it back.

[CrispyQ]

72. Fox is the evil spawn of hate radio so the propaganda has been spewed for 30+ years.

The dems/left have ignored hate radio for over three decades & still do. Hate radio is why grown women were lamenting that they had to choose between "a child predator & a pro-abortion candidate" in the Jones/Moore race last year. The left totally gave up the narrative to the right & still does.

[John Fante]

29. While I agree that it was a trial run

the results were disastrous. Even the 55% GOP support is poor considering Trump's overall approval rating with these assholes is in the high 80s. The rest of the country by and large found the family seperation policy horrifying.

I have two Republican acquaintances who voted for Trump and defend him passionately. They haven't said a fucking word about the man since the detention camp scandal broke.

[scarletwoman]

34. But his approval rating among repug voters is still in the high 80s to 90s. nt

[nini]

26. a cousin of mine went at me when I posted that article

She is now dead to me.

I don't give a damn if you're family.. if you still support 45 - bye Felicia.

[nuxvomica]

30. This is the real zombie apocalypse

I've had to deal with the same types at work. They are like the living dead, completely immune to reason. I also have relatives like that, who appear to have come out of it. There is hope for some.

[nini]

33. Some have finally realized but I'm still pissed at them LOL

45 never hid who he really was.. their white insecurities were stronger than their common sense and love of country.

[LenaBaby61]

60. "There is hope for some."

Agree. Some friends relatives in Ohio are LOST for good. Rotten and evil to the CORE. Sole less, racist creatures who are into this deep state shit and who don't read newspapers.

However, other friends in different parts of the country (Red) have told me that their friends/relatives have told them that they're sorry as HELL that they voted for Fatso. But, some said they fell for the "Hillary's in the basement of a pizza place sexually assaulting children" meme Or, some believed that Fatso was a great businessman. But once my friend showed that he had tons of bankruptcies and stiffed his vendors etc., my friends said their friends/relatives told them "OMG, we didn't read about that. He's a lying con man." Yep, people don't bother reading either, or use common sense.

We'll see what happens when they really get torn up financially, lose their jobs and start losing their health care. They can no longer blame Pres. Obama and they certainly can't blame Hillary.

[Grammy23]

66. Or...maybe they will finally come out of their trance when THEY

are the targeted group. They never have the imagination to think beyond whatever group is in the spotlight right now. It never occurs to them that if one group can be targeted, so can another. So when their feathers get singed, then it will be plain to them. Too bad they could not predict that just watching another group get savaged for no reason beyond the color of their skin or their religious faith or their country of origin.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

47. This article deserves to be its own OP. nt

[Sophia4]

57. Excellent article, but it is so strong and so right that I could not bring myself to read

all of it.

Very troubling!

[Obvious85]

70. The best question to ask Trump voters is

'Did you really want Putin running our country?'

[CrispyQ]

71. That is a must read article!

This:

Fascism does not need a majority – it typically comes to power with about 40 per cent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesn’t matter if most people hate you, as long as your 40 per cent is fanatically committed.

Trump's approval has held pretty close to 40%. We are on a precipice & could topple either way. In November we'll know if we have a fighting chance of if it's over. The dems absolutely must win control of at least on chamber of Congress for our republic to have any chance.

[shanti]

85. This article

deserves its own thread. If it doesn't wake some people up, I don't know what will!

[NoMoreRepugs]

6. They will ALL vote for him again if given the chance.

Impossible for the Deplorables to admit they made a mistake. Don't forget, they voted for PALIN.

Their level of STUPIDITY comes about only a few times a millennial.

[shanny]

36. their stupidity is eternal but now Palin is nowhere.

it is possible to pry them away, we just have to help show them that their hero is not the he-man he likes to think he is.

he is WEAK. he kowtows to foreign leaders. he snivels like the invertebrate he is when confronted; backtracks and reads retractions like somebody in a hostage video. Pooty OWNED him on that stage and still does. Push that idea, and dare the magats to dispute it. Laugh--outrage feeds them, derision deflates. Laugh!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Moscow Agent Governing America . . . nt

[calimary]

15. That's a GREAT one, Bernardo!

Moscow Agent Governing America!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. Thanks, but not original with me :P . . . nt

[keithbvadu2]

18. MAGA (Newer version)

MAGA (Newer version)

[BlancheSplanchnik]

35. Very good!

I’m stealing if you don’t mind?

[keithbvadu2]

39. Go ahead... I stole it.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

78. 😁👍🏾. n/t

[GoneOffShore]

37. Just put that up on FB.

[LiberalFighter]

38. Just posted it to my FB page.

[roamer65]

21. Make America GRU Again.

[calimary]

24. Another great one, roamer65!

Make America GRU Again !

[Salviati]

8. So now that he has turned on trump, you need to help spread the taint to the rest of the republicans

I mean, they've already got plenty of taint on them, but you just need to point it out to him. Just bring up when he starts ranting about how the rest of the republican party is letting him get away with all of this crap, and stymieing any Democratic attempts to get to the bottom of it, e.g. blocking having the translator testify about what was said in their private little get together.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. Yup. Republicon enablers are the Trump-Republicon Party or the RubleCon-Трамп Party. . . nt

[ailsagirl]

9. Cool!!

I had read somewhere that the maga-types are starting to warm to putin.

I guess some of them do draw the line-- wonder if they're the minority

It's so hard to predict the maga-type behavior because I find it utterly confounding and have since the beginning

[HipChick]

10. Seems like the ones that have served their country...

in some way...are peeling off...

[roamer65]

11. The anti-Russian sentiment in this country is extremely strong.

I am leftist but vehemently anti-Russian. Remanents from the Cold War.

This cozying up to the murderous Pootie is gonna really drive a dagger into his base. It’s treason.

[GoCubsGo]

12. I hope you reminded him that the GOP is sitting by and doing nothing to stop it.

And, that many of them are also complicit. Being pissed off at Trump makes little difference if you still turn around and vote for other republicans.

[HipChick]

13. Every chance I get...I get my digs in..

[GoCubsGo]

16. Heh!

[pansypoo53219]

14. so, neo-nazi's were fine w/ him?

[Blue_true]

19. In 2020.

All of us should prominently display Putin/Trump 2020 bumper or rear car window campaign stickers. That will drive the RedHats nuts.

[McCamy Taylor]

22. "President Putin Was Extremely Strong and Powerful." It rubs the MAGA people the wrong way

[LakeArenal]

23. EGADS!!!

[AlexSFCA]

27. love hearing this, thanks for sharing

it’s so hard to find dissapointed trumpers, I have yet to see one in the wild. My marker is a colleague who has a maga hat on his desk since 11/9/16. If one day I come in to work and it’s gone then I know for certain we won.

[HipChick]

28. I don' get chance to interact with them much...

but I watch this person retire, cozy up to Faux News and become a Maga Zombie..

[shanny]

31. trump's obvious WEAKNESS is the most important thing to stress

they luvs them the strongmen, and when trump looks STRONG, owns the libs, etc.--that's making Amurica grate again!

but being obviously dominated by a foreign leader, even one they like--oh no. That won't do.

Emphasize der fluegelheinie's WEAKNESS. They fucking hate that. Remember how they reacted to Obama's so-called apology tour? This is fertile ground, the best, uuuuuugest, bigly, for peeling away the base.

[Locrian]

64. yes! (and lol - I though you wrote "peeing" instead of "peeling") - n/t

[UCmeNdc]

45. Trump is a Russian Intelligence asset being controlled by his handler Putin.

That is obvious. The MAGA people must recognize and deal with having a traitor as a president.

[OliverQ]

50. I'm not seeing a change.

Nearly 70% of Republicans support his Putin summit. The Republican base is still rock solid. And while it's slightly shrinking in total people, it's still the reason Congress won't stop him.

[Scarsdale]

61. I have a friend who actually said

"I wish the Hollywood people would shut up. Let the president do his job, have respect for the office" He seems to think his job means golfing as often as possible, tweeting, watching Faux and appearing occasionally to spout off some nonsense. He is a total failure as an elected official. Has no idea what the HELL he is doing, but does whatever he feels like, then lets others clean up the mess. He talks about "ratings" as though this is a reality show. The gop OWNS this total disaster of a human being. Unfortunately, Vlad's rubles are still welcome in the gop. Vlad is basking in the glory of imagining himself as ruler of the entire world.

[Beartracks]

52. "Put America First - On the Chopping Block!"

[Hekate]

55. So you choose this for your first post, gitadeepmauna?

I predict it will be your last. Why even bother?

[Cha]

54. It would any thinking person

who doesn't want to be under Russian rule.

Too bad most of the cult is so brainwashed all they care about is When is the Next Rally..?.. so we can hear him Hating on Everything and Everybody that aren't like them.

[Meadowoak]

56. Forget about trumpeters. They will vote GOP, if we GOTV, we will beast them. If we ALL vote, and

Take 2 people with you, we would win with a high enough margin, they won't be able to steals it again. Because they will try.😎

[quakerboy]

58. Weak being the key

They dont care that Trump sold the country out. He could be making deals with Putin, US Classified info for cash payments, and it would be ignored or dismissed.

But the fact that Putin looked like the boss, that Trump looked like a cowed employee or worse.. That they care about

[Locrian]

62. yes exactly!

That's what I've been saying and why this will "stick": trump looked WEAK against putin. That is inexcusable to authoritarians.

Their tough guy alpha just got exposed as a beta weakling with his sugar daddy.

Everyone should be postings pics of trump and putin showing the cowed body language.

[quakerboy]

80. I dont care for the

Alpha/beta terminology.

But at that presser.. He was neither. He was more in Epsilon range. The Meme going around referencing Reek is right on target.

[Locrian]

86. ok

I don't know what epsilon means...
I try to avoid the b*itch comparison, "gril-ly man" etc.

Then there's "cuck" but that's vulgar


sigh.......

[lark]

65. Music to my ears!

Thanks for this.

We need to see these sparks of sanity because that's not what is shown on the news.

[dansolo]

68. That may be the only way to peel off Trump's support

Show the deplorables how weak Donnie looks to the world. These people will never vote for a Democrat, but if we can snap them out of their slavish devotion to him, he'll have nothing left.

[CrispyQ]

69. The MAGAs in my life are still full on MAGA.

[Raster]

74. I have allowed only one MAGA to remain part of my life...

...one of my little brothers, who has an Air Force/Military Contractor background and gets 100% of his "news and information" from Faux. He's my little brother. I have to love him. I don't like him very much, though.

[Raster]

73. Sorry, MAGA humper neighbor... that is EXACTLY what you voted for...

...and if you would have stopped chanting "LOCK HER UP" long enough to hear what Candidate Clinton had to say, you would have had the situation explained to you in words even you could have understood.

[Pepsidog]

75. Typical of a bully, really a coward at heart. He is Cowardly Don

[jcgoldie]

76. Hope you are right but...

The deplorables I know (and here in red southern Illinois and living on a farm I know many) are still vacillating between, "Thanks Putin for saving us from Hillary" and "Well which is worse talking to Putin or selling him uranium?"

The polling that came out yesterday said that 40% of Americans approved of the Helsinki suck off... thats almost no different than his overall numbers. Meaning it didn't move the needle significantly.

[niyad]

79. it isn't like this should have come as a suprise, you maga jerk.

[lunatica]

81. I really have been wondering how his base feels about this

These are the ultra patriotic, to the point of insanity, people. They hate all things not American. I would think this will sour a lot of them.

[mudstump]

82. MRGA (Make Russia Great Again)

[Cosmocat]

83. Until Bernie, Joe, Elizabeth ...

whoever is nominated, and they become the most evil, satanic, socialist, communist, puppy beating being ever in the history of the world ...

This week alone, beat back a half dozen or so Rs on Facebook who said, "gee, if it only weren't Hillary (the sane, decent, highly competent and accomplished public servant)."

[Iggo]

84. My boss (a certified Redmonger Redstein) was joke-arguing with one of my co-workers yesterday...

...about whether or not he told him to do some task and he says, "What do think I'm just making it up? Like Trump?"

And there was much laughter...lol.