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kpete

(71,959 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:17 AM Jul 2018

I'm no dentist, but that body language says it all.

We don’t have Marina Gross’s notes. We do have photographs. The moment the two men walked out of their two hour private meeting. Look at Trump in those photos. Now look at Putin.






Ушатал таки наш Президент их "богатыря".
The President of their "hero" still staggered

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I'm no dentist, but that body language says it all. (Original Post) kpete Jul 2018 OP
He looks like a man who has just been threatened. madaboutharry Jul 2018 #1
He looks like a dog on a leash. nt ginnyinWI Jul 2018 #72
A dog that got Cha Jul 2018 #104
If the leash fits... 3catwoman3 Jul 2018 #116
Exactly... ariesgem Jul 2018 #123
LOL! nt ginnyinWI Jul 2018 #131
"There's no way out for me," is what I was thinking. ffr Jul 2018 #75
Notice Putin is holding notes exboyfil Jul 2018 #2
That's his mortgage on the Trump empire. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2018 #23
It's a rolled-up magazine with 45's picture on the cover. eppur_se_muova Jul 2018 #45
GMTA. Exactly what went thru my mind, while noticing the spring in Vlad's step & whipped dog... Hekate Jul 2018 #97
Who got the $130,000? - Both of them. More than. keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #109
discipline luvallpeeps Jul 2018 #119
Do you have proof that he didn't Control-Z Jul 2018 #126
He's holding the mortgage papers Butterflylady Jul 2018 #82
Maybe it's Trump's handwritten confession. area51 Jul 2018 #92
The transcripts for the pee tapes? keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #110
That's tRump's performance evaluation. For Putin's files. Texin Jul 2018 #94
Probably screen shots from the pee tapes. edbermac Jul 2018 #96
Yep underpants Jul 2018 #3
"Strong, powerful denial" czarjak Jul 2018 #80
Body language. lark Jul 2018 #4
There was evidence of this throughout that press conference. calimary Jul 2018 #120
Weakness on display. Sneederbunk Jul 2018 #5
Yep, Putin-whipped...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #6
+1 appalachiablue Jul 2018 #31
... SunSeeker Jul 2018 #113
For the Game of Thrones fans out there NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #7
Exactly! FM123 Jul 2018 #18
Internet win of the day!!!! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #79
Finally, I know what that means. Control-Z Jul 2018 #127
"I'm no dentist" FM123 Jul 2018 #8
If you are not a dentist, I'm not sure you have the necessary training to analyze the pic! Nanjeanne Jul 2018 #9
If the Democrats don't use that photo the way 'Pukes used the Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2018 #10
Good point. The repugs hammered that Dukakis image into our brain. Totally Tunsie Jul 2018 #20
Totally agree. That photo needs to go viral. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #52
Too good not to put on twitter.... Historic NY Jul 2018 #11
Yes! Make it VIRAL! Cha Jul 2018 #105
We all know how short Cheeto's attention span is FakeNoose Jul 2018 #12
"So...many...tapes." n/t Orsino Jul 2018 #13
Dr. Trumpenstein unveils his monster to the world. peekaloo Jul 2018 #14
Lol! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #37
Manly Vlad knows his crackers! peekaloo Jul 2018 #55
Out of it, in a fog, hostage?...strange! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #65
Spooked peekaloo Jul 2018 #70
The similarities are striking karin_sj Jul 2018 #56
there ya go! peekaloo Jul 2018 #59
Perfect! Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #128
And all the Russians PatSeg Jul 2018 #15
45 is supposedly 6'3"; Putin 5'7" or 5'6.5", depending on source -- at least 8" difference. eppur_se_muova Jul 2018 #47
It was really bizarre to see PatSeg Jul 2018 #62
yeah heaven05 Jul 2018 #16
His ass is probably sore Evergreen Emerald Jul 2018 #17
I guess it will take Trump time to adjust to Putin's remote controlled butt plug! TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #19
WHIPPED! The power of pictures... Totally Tunsie Jul 2018 #21
It's like those "evolution of man" diagrams you see on t shirts ProudLib72 Jul 2018 #22
WTH are all those documents Putin's holding? DesertRat Jul 2018 #24
our Bill of Rights - planning to burn them as soon as the stupid presser is done lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #32
Ugh. I hope someone can enlarge and post what they say DesertRat Jul 2018 #34
Wow bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #107
It Looks Like Trump Needed More Than A Power Tie DallasNE Jul 2018 #115
Just looks tired of winning. BSdetect Jul 2018 #25
If it was a "One on One" meeting, why are there so many people coming out of the room? LiberalArkie Jul 2018 #26
How do we even know WHO was in the room? Nevilledog Jul 2018 #48
Spanky looks like he got a real ass-whuppin'. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #27
Took a real hard beat down looks like..Geesus! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #43
melanias going: "Back ladies, hes mine. Alll miiiine" samnsara Jul 2018 #28
One looks like obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2018 #29
That was brilliant.... Mind if I steal it? Nevilledog Jul 2018 #51
Here's an interesting body language analysis of the press conference: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #30
Fascinating article The Blue Flower Jul 2018 #42
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #60
His cult will not see anything wrong with this image. CrispyQ Jul 2018 #33
Was thinking the same thing. Duppers Jul 2018 #40
Says it all: Liberalagogo Jul 2018 #35
What is Trump thinking?? kentuck Jul 2018 #36
He looks worried. Chemisse Jul 2018 #41
The disgraceful republican #Shanghai Surrender was surpassed in disgracefulness Achilleaze Jul 2018 #38
It is unimaginable that this is happening. Let's hope that we do well in the midterm. CentralMass Jul 2018 #39
Bodj language? It's simple: "Sorry, don, no more loans. We got what we needed from you." 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #44
Spanky got spanked. George II Jul 2018 #46
when is the flag waving fascist elmac Jul 2018 #49
Yep, in front of the whole world dalton99a Jul 2018 #50
I figured part of their meeting was Trump viewing the Kompromat that Putin had on him. n/t woodsprite Jul 2018 #53
Did you see the rolled up magazine in Putin's hand? WhiteTara Jul 2018 #54
Love the reference to the dentist grantcart Jul 2018 #57
Ugh karin_sj Jul 2018 #58
That hunchback reminds me of... jcgoldie Jul 2018 #61
These are textbook-perfect examples of body-language Puzzler Jul 2018 #63
Like the cat that swallowed the firstwife Jul 2018 #64
that's the very look of someone who sold out their country to Russia SummerSnow Jul 2018 #66
For the win! colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #76
Thing is, I don't think Trump cares about "his country" dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #101
I think I know which one is the apprentice Raven123 Jul 2018 #67
I'm no proctologist but it looks like someone stuck a hot poker up his ass Pepsidog Jul 2018 #68
+1 dalton99a Jul 2018 #71
Trump looks whipped . . . MrModerate Jul 2018 #69
tRump looks totally cowed next to Putin who looks like the pageant winner. Grammy23 Jul 2018 #73
A whole web site on body language, lots about Trump/Putin, here: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #77
Thanks for the link. Grammy23 Jul 2018 #91
All that picture needs is Putin holding a leash that's around Trump's neck. nt Fla Dem Jul 2018 #74
Yep. Blue_true Jul 2018 #81
Spanky looks like a yeti in a bad suit. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #78
Thank you for pointing that out. Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #121
DJT's, Putin photos marieo1 Jul 2018 #83
Putin still has his military posture Bayard Jul 2018 #84
Once a KGB thug, always a KGB thug. Raster Jul 2018 #86
He can see his future superpatriotman Jul 2018 #85
I'm no HR director, but I'm guessing his Work Performance Review went badly Fritz Walter Jul 2018 #87
+1. "Donald, your productivity must be improved. Here is your new to-do list." dalton99a Jul 2018 #90
Close up would reveal bridal marks around his mouth. kairos12 Jul 2018 #88
Don looks like he got his orders and Vlad reminded him that if he doesn't deliver Vinca Jul 2018 #89
The art of the deal.. look defeated. mountain grammy Jul 2018 #93
a matter of perception, i guess kpete Jul 2018 #99
Ha, right you are! mountain grammy Jul 2018 #100
I don't have anything to add but I just had to say I love that cartoon! Nt renate Jul 2018 #106
Thanks for this. Great cartoon. nt yonder Jul 2018 #117
I'm no proctologist, but BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2018 #95
Let's speculate on what happened in that room Danascot Jul 2018 #98
Another ready made ad for the Dems. Where are they? These should be full page across the country. Midnight Writer Jul 2018 #102
Political campaigns don't ramp up for real until after August. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #122
Looks like putin took the US traitor Cha Jul 2018 #103
Thank you for the heads up ... I just posted pic on FB K & R nt Persondem Jul 2018 #108
Looks Like Vlad Just Showed Trump The PeePee Video On His Phone! DoctorJoJo Jul 2018 #111
Trump looks exhausted. For someone with a LuckyLib Jul 2018 #112
That must have been one horrible performance review! NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #114
That's the look of a guy who's head is spinning. yonder Jul 2018 #118
Like a kid getting sent to the principals office and learning hes got detention for the next year... Initech Jul 2018 #124
I know the point is 45's submissiveness, but AllyCat Jul 2018 #125
I said that from the first time True Blue American Jul 2018 #129
What is the 'dentist' reference? keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #130

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Notice Putin is holding notes
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jul 2018

Maybe he actually took some during a one on one meeting. Notice our fearful leader has none.

Hekate

(90,551 posts)
97. GMTA. Exactly what went thru my mind, while noticing the spring in Vlad's step & whipped dog...
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jul 2018

...appearance of the Trojan Horse.

keithbvadu2

(36,653 posts)
109. Who got the $130,000? - Both of them. More than.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:47 PM
Jul 2018

The best investment Putin ever made was putting money into Trump.

Butterflylady

(3,537 posts)
82. He's holding the mortgage papers
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jul 2018

For the Whitehouse, when he comes here in the fall he'll get the keys.

lark

(23,061 posts)
4. Body language.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jul 2018

One is slumped over, looking smaller than he is, and looks like he's been beaten into shape and is now going along with the program. The other is standing very tall, smiling, at ease, looks very much large and in charge and is dragging the other out to do his will. Very vivid image here.

calimary

(81,099 posts)
120. There was evidence of this throughout that press conference.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:59 PM
Jul 2018

VERY obvious who was the Alpha.

I noticed that when they stepped onto the platform, Putin was first up, a little bit ahead of trump. Quite a contrast with the photos of The Asset with Queen Elizabeth. Putin also looked in complete command, as though he’d just emerged from a very successful and satisfying encounter. He was even smiling a wee bit.

Owner, and owned.

It was crystal clear who was the Alpha up there.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
127. Finally, I know what that means.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 02:16 AM
Jul 2018

I've never watched Game of Thrones. But I've seen the meme a few times. Lol.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
8. "I'm no dentist"
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jul 2018

hahahaha....but Kpete, you are quite the comedian (even better than Gosar) thanks for chuckle.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,494 posts)
10. If the Democrats don't use that photo the way 'Pukes used the
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jul 2018

windsurfing photo or the Dukakis tank image in their campaign commercials...... I don't know what else to tell them.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. Totally agree. That photo needs to go viral.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jul 2018

People need to see it as much as possible. He looks totally weak, beaten in that photo. No amount of words could possibly counter what we are seeing right before our eyes.

FakeNoose

(32,577 posts)
12. We all know how short Cheeto's attention span is
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:30 AM
Jul 2018

I'm sure he wanted get up and leave after the first 10 minutes. But he couldn't because his "boss" forbade it.

Secondly, by the time he walked out the door, Cheeto had already forgotten most of the talking points and that's why he's lying about it now. No problem, Putin made notes and knows exactly what Cheeto said in the meeting. BUT WE DON'T!

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
14. Dr. Trumpenstein unveils his monster to the world.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jul 2018

Monster will now sing and dance for world.

"Putin on the Ritz".

PatSeg

(47,259 posts)
15. And all the Russians
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jul 2018

coming through that door were beaming as well. Trump looked like he shrunk several inches.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
47. 45 is supposedly 6'3"; Putin 5'7" or 5'6.5", depending on source -- at least 8" difference.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jul 2018

So yeah, 45 has pretty well collapsed into himself.

PatSeg

(47,259 posts)
62. It was really bizarre to see
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jul 2018

He was hunched over like a child that had just come from the principal's office. Putin sucked all the arrogance out of him.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. yeah
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jul 2018

I noticed and commented on another 'hang dog' posture and look of this poor excuse of a potus vs Putin's ' I put this sucker down' expression and shoulders back, head up, back straight, I am victor, posture and expression, over this PODS called the American potus.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
22. It's like those "evolution of man" diagrams you see on t shirts
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jul 2018

and the Rump is somewhere in the middle.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
107. Wow
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:11 PM
Jul 2018

I'll bet our intelligence guys are reading what's visible in those papers. But the demeanors!! Vlad looks like he just plunked down his entire fortune on the US stock market - at 1982 prices!

And Trump! Trump looks like he's just been stripped of everything he owns and someone broke a baseball bat across his lower back.

Pics are strange though, the images are fleeting. It's odd to slo-mo a video and look at the weird contortions people's faces get into, but they are fleeting. Could be same here.

Nevilledog

(51,005 posts)
48. How do we even know WHO was in the room?
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jul 2018

What proof do we have that there were not more Russians besides Putin in that meeting?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
30. Here's an interesting body language analysis of the press conference:
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:06 AM
Jul 2018
https://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2018/07/body-language-analysis-no-4323-trump.html

SUMMARY: After detailed nonverbal analysis of this portion of the Trump-Putin press conference, the findings strongly support the allegation that the Russian government has "compromising material" (what the Russians call, "kompromat" ) on Donald Trump and/or his family. Statement analysis also indicates both men are being deceptive. It's extremely probable that President Trump is being blackmailed.
(Much more at the link)

I don't know how exact a science body language analysis is when you get way down into the weeds like this, but it's interesting, for what it's worth.

CrispyQ

(36,421 posts)
33. His cult will not see anything wrong with this image.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jul 2018

They are blind to his weaknesses because they have the same ones. BTW, they are still busy posting anti-Hillary stuff.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
41. He looks worried.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jul 2018

Even a man this stupid knows what he is about to do is going to look really bad.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
38. The disgraceful republican #Shanghai Surrender was surpassed in disgracefulness
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:12 AM
Jul 2018

by the republican #surrender in Helsinki.

Disgraceful.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
101. Thing is, I don't think Trump cares about "his country"
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jul 2018

He cares about money and himself.

Now, if Putin told him something along the lines of the blackmail continuing, even after this, I would understand Trump's look.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
73. tRump looks totally cowed next to Putin who looks like the pageant winner.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:54 AM
Jul 2018

Shoulders slumped, grim/defeated expression on his face. There should be no doubt which one is the master and which one is the slave. tRump is under the thumb of Putin and has no choice but to do what Putin orders him to do. One would think that tRump could at least act confident in that situation but he knew better than to outshine Putin, thus risking further punishment. Keep your head down, don’t try to steal any limelight from your boss. Make sure you look submissive.

I am no expert on body language but I think you could show this picture to anyone and they could interpret what the body language says about their relationship.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
81. Yep.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jul 2018

Trump looks totally beaten. Putin looks like he got everything that he wanted to get and a few bonuses.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
121. Thank you for pointing that out.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:47 PM
Jul 2018

I was beginning to think that I was the only one who took notice of his suits. They are always baggy and rumpled. Also, if you look closely, you can see that his shoulders stop before the shoulders of the suit stop, like the awful padded shoulders look from the 80s.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
83. DJT's, Putin photos
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:26 PM
Jul 2018

Boy, this picture says it all, doesn't it? I think DJT knows it's is over for him and it is just a matter of time. It would be an eye opener if we only knew what Putin has on DJT!!

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
84. Putin still has his military posture
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jul 2018

We know tRump had no training in that area. Plus he looks like he has osteoporosis and has been sincerely threatened.

Fritz Walter

(4,290 posts)
87. I'm no HR director, but I'm guessing his Work Performance Review went badly
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:35 PM
Jul 2018

I’ve seen that look: someone goes into a WPR meeting, thinking they’re going to get a “Consistently Exceeds Expectations” on every metric, and walks out with a Performance Development Plan, in the boss’s hand, ready to file with HR.

To quote a Repuke, “Womp, Womp!”

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
89. Don looks like he got his orders and Vlad reminded him that if he doesn't deliver
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jul 2018

he'll be the next person to "lose their balance" on a high building.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
98. Let's speculate on what happened in that room
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jul 2018

Trump may have gotten taken to the woodshed because he didn't carry out previous orders to Putin's satisfaction - the poor performance theory.

Another - Putin gave Trump new orders to do things that gave even Trump pause and he's wondering how he can carry them out without being impeached, jailed or killed.

I think Trump already knew what kind(s) of kompromat Putin has on him, though Putin may have given him a refresher or shown him new, more horrifying material.

Maybe all three, maybe something else.

Are there pictures of Marina Gross coming out of the meeting? Did she look shocked or pale?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
122. Political campaigns don't ramp up for real until after August.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jul 2018

At that point I figure they'll do it - you don't want to wear out your ads too early.

LuckyLib

(6,817 posts)
112. Trump looks exhausted. For someone with a
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 08:25 PM
Jul 2018

90 second attention span, two hours would be excruciating. Can’t sit still, can’t focus. And now can barely remember what was discussed.

yonder

(9,656 posts)
118. That's the look of a guy who's head is spinning.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:16 PM
Jul 2018

I wonder if Putin took advantage of tRump's notoriously short attention span and forced the meeting longer than scheduled just for this result. It's probably the first time in goldboy's life he's had to endure such a long one on one -- I think I know who was on who.

Initech

(100,034 posts)
124. Like a kid getting sent to the principals office and learning hes got detention for the next year...
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:16 AM
Jul 2018

AllyCat

(16,140 posts)
125. I know the point is 45's submissiveness, but
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:32 AM
Jul 2018

am I the only one annoyed by his pecker duster ties?

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
129. I said that from the first time
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:59 AM
Jul 2018

I saw that. Putin is cock of the walk, strutting, smirking. Trump is shambling along as if he is not sure what hit him.

Sources are now saying Mueller will get the transcripts.

Notice, Putin has papers and notes in his hand, Trump has nothing. His statements read as if Putin wrote them. John Kelly usually does, but there is no way Kelly wrote that praise of Putin!

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