Why would the FBI and NSCC be reminding us of Venona the greatest US CI success this week?

[MelissaB]

VENONA, you say? Now why would the FBI want folks to be reminded of that, the greatest of all US CI successes, right now? I wonder....

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FBI discussion here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210901870

NSCC:

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1/ #OTD IN COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY HISTORY: On July 17, 1950, Soviet spy Julius Rosenberg was arrested for espionage. The Army Security Agency and FBI had been cooperating in the decryption of intelligence messages -- a portion of which were collectively referred to...

2/ as "VENONA" -- exchanged by the Soviet KGB and GRU with their agents in the Western Hemisphere. Some of these messages incriminated Rosenberg, but this highly classified evidence could not and would not be used during his trial.

3/ Rosenberg's wife Ethel was arrested on Aug. 11, 1950 on suspicion of assisting him. Thanks to key testimony from David Greenglass, Ethel's brother, Julius Rosenberg was exposed as the central figure in a very active spy ring that was passing weapons technology information...

4/ to the Soviet Union. In 1951, the Rosenbergs were convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage. Read the declassified FBI (@FBI) Headquarters Case File here https://vault.fbi.gov/rosenberg-case and CIA's (@CIA) documents here https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/atomic-spies-ethel-and-julius-rosenberg ….

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5/ The first of 6 public releases of translated VENONA messages was made in July 1995 and included 49 messages about the Soviets' efforts to gain info on the U.S. atomic bomb research and the Manhattan Project. Over the course of 5 more releases, all of the approximately 3,000...



6/ VENONA translations were made public. Learn more at NSA's (@NSAGov) VENONA webpage: https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/ … #NCSC #FBI #CIA #NSA

[MelissaB]

1. This is important

and I'll shamelessly kick my own thread.

[triron]

2. I concur; damn important.

[MelissaB]

6. I don't know how many people even know about Venona.

I didn't learn about it in school. Did anyone else?

[RandomAccess]

12. Why do you consider it so important?

What's the key message or subject you're trying to convey.

Because, no offense meant at all, I'm not getting it without clicking through and the subject in general doesn't grab me or make me want to click through.

So, Cliff Notes? At least a sentence or two, please.

[MelissaB]

16. I think we're in the middle of VENONA 2.0

and the number of people involved will be shocking.

[RandomAccess]

17. Ah, okay, thanks

The hints of the scope of this investigation that I've gotten all along have been astounding. So I have to agree with you there.

[peggysue2]

18. Yes!!

I've been reading the background of the earlier spy net stories. Think the IC is trying to prepare people for what's ahead and to acknowledge that the scope of the current infiltration is not out of left field. It's happened before and the 'usual suspects' (the Russians) and American co-conspirators were at the center of that spy ring's eventual take down.

I agree with you--everything I've read suggests the scale and scope of the Trump/Russia/Mob operation is massive, global in nature.

We're in for many shocking details.

[backtoblue]

3. K&R

[OneGrassRoot]

4. K & R. n/t

[MelissaB]

5. Schindler Hint from June:

Back in 1950, the bombshell arrest of Julius & Ethel Rosenberg as traitors & Kremlin spies would have appeared troubling & out of absolutely nowhere -- a sinister FBI plot, even -- unless you were one of the very, very few Americans cleared for VENONA.
Consider that a #HINT.

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[MelissaB]

10. May 2018: In the early 1950s, the US public & MSM had no idea -- no inkling whatsoever

In the early 1950s, the US public & MSM had no idea -- no inkling whatsoever -- that FBI & NSA knew the full extent of Kremlin espionage in the USA, thanks to VENONA, and US CI was rolling those spies up, one by one. TS+ facts, though hidden, are devastating. History repeats.

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[MelissaB]

11. March 2018

VENONA identified HUNDREDS of Kremlin agents in the West. A handful went to jail. The Rosenbergs are still dead.

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[MelissaB]

13. Thread from Jan 2018

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REMEMBER: the good, reliable intel on Trump + Russia isn't from #FusionGPS, it's from US IC & Friends and is TS+ -- not for public review.
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Nope. VENONA on Rosenbergs was released ~45 yrs after their execution. Usually little or no TS+ is shown to public, even in major spy cases.

[MelissaB]

14. Major/important thread Nov 2016

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Since Big News in #KremlinGate is looming, it's time for a brief tweetstorm on what's really going on behind scenes with Team Mueller. /1

If you're surprised that #MoscowMisha is cooked, you've not been paying attention. Sr & Jr are both going down on a bunch of charges. /2

Flynn, like Manafort, desperately wanted a deal from Mueller, but they had 0 to offer that DoJ didn't already have. So, they're screwed. /3

The Team Mueller + FBI/IC joint investigation here is truly massive; a CI inquiry this expansive hasn't been seen in DC since VENONA. /4

Together, they're investigating HUNDREDS of targets for poss ties to Russian spies & mobsters. Public will be shocked when it comes out. /5

These CI targets include WH officials; Trump associates, friends & family; journalists and lobbyists; even bloggers. It's a wide net. /6

It will take years for this CI inquiry to be concluded -- VENONA ran from 1943 to 1980, folks -- but the answers will stun the public. /7

Anticipate a bunch of indictments in the next year or 2, perhaps many more in the long run; it depends how indictments rounds 1-5 go. /8

The Russian conspiracy in DC took years to metastasize, it will take years to unravel it all. Marathon not sprint, as I say. Patience. /End

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7. They might be preparing us to accept their new bombshell findings.

just feeding us a bit of historical background.

[MelissaB]

9. That's my thought as well.

Seems reasonable.

[Scurrilous]

8. K&R

[herding cats]

15. Espionage.

Charges like that against any US citizen are a massive endeavor.

They may be trolling Trump, or they may be reminding us it's been done before. I don't know which it is, but it's interesting.

[ffr]

19. Whoa! The FBI just sent another Venona related tweet out today.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1016211559

Subject: Venona

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