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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn "All In" right now: what Putin has on Trump has been hiding in plain sight all along.
They are talking about all the questions about what is it that P has on T- kompromat - that people have been wondering about for so long - how it has been hiding in plain sight all along: Putin helped him win. This seems to be a startling new insight for the pundits who were talking about it!!
Finally someone is saying it out loud....they didn't go so far as to say they stole it, but at least that P helped him win.
Wonder if they will ever say out loud that he was aided and abetted by a lot of GOP.
RockRaven
(14,966 posts)Trump is weak, needy, a crook, a pervert, and a bullsh*tter.
He can be manipulated by anyone willing to put in the effort to exploit those characteristics.
triron
(22,003 posts)Not only Putin help Trump (and many congressional repukes) win; the Trump campaign collaborated in that effort.
That's far worse.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)So Putin helped Trump win. That, in and of itself, means less than nothing.
Were there no evidence of collusion (which we all know there's plenty of), Trump would be completely blameless as to what a foreign power did on his behalf.
How is this something Putin could hold over Trump's head? "I helped you win, so you owe me"? How does that make any sense? In that scenario, Trump would be in a position to say, "Whatever - now fuck off." It would not be something that would render Trump beholding to him in any way.
It is the fact of Trump & Co having colluded with the Russians in order to win the election that is the issue - not what Putin did or didn't do without Trump's knowledge or help.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)and don't remember exactly what they said but when I heard it, thought it was significant that they were getting really close to saying out loud what we have know since before the election. They almost said they worked together to steal the election. Not quite, but close.
populistdriven
(5,644 posts)Dan
(3,562 posts)And continue to believe - that Putin has material including pictures that Trump had sexual relationships with his daughter, Ivanka. Just look at some of the photos of Trump and his daughter, and it is staring you in the face.
Yes, probably also money laundering - but thats probably not a big deal to Trump - he has always been a cheat, liar, and all around POS. But there probably is no getting around his personal philosophy that incest is best. That would be a hard one to spin, even with the evangelicals.
My thoughts.
calimary
(81,266 posts)as to why the CONS have done precisely NOTHING about it:
Because they want that help again.
Now more than ever!
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)he is now gop hero defeating libruls
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)The pee tape is obviously another issue. But....
...Don Jr. stated they got all their funding from Russia. Given the bankruptcies that litter Dump's past, he may have made a few more bad decisions. He may owe big time.
Dump may have been an "asset" to launder money...price he has to pay for losing Russian money, but when he threw his hat into the race...and I think he did so to move money around via donations to pay off some of his "secured" debt, FSB probably saw a "golden" opportunity.
We also know that Bannon with the help from the Mercer's were planning on making Cruz their President. But those plans changed when Dump started to come out on top against all odds.
Putin never expected Dump to win, he figured that America would wise up and elect Clinton. But he would have caused enough damage internally that she would be tasked with domestic issues instead of international, which would suffice for him. But then, Dump "won". Putin is going to use, abuse and refuse Dump. Once he can't get anything he want's out of him, he'll cut the rope and let him fall.
And Dump, is way too much of a narcissistic asshole to realize this. I joke around about this, Dump could run to Russia for political asylum like many dictators do when given the boot. However, I doubt this. Putin will refuse the request as he will need to create some good will towards the next leader.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)or close to saying that the election was stolen, and Putin has that on Trump. Of course we know he has much more to hide as far as Russian connections.
jalan48
(13,865 posts)What more do we need to know?
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Money laundering up the wazoo.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)if we found the president went to one of our enemies to help him get elected, that is a crime but Congress will ignore it because, the base thinks its just fine. So 50-60% of the country thinks he should be impeached but we can't get more than 50 votes in the Senate. Calls a whole lot of shit about our political system into question.