KS-03: Ocasio-Cotez: "Let's flip this seat red in November"

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

1. She''ll be here all week, folks...

...remember to tip your waiter.

[George II]

51. Meanwhile Anthony Pappas is out knocking on doors and wearing out shoes.

Hey folks, there's a GENERAL ELECTION in New York to win!!!

[oberliner]

104. No, he's not

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Anthony Pappas isn't running any kind of actual campaign. He has no reported campaign contributions. When people try to interview him about the race, he talks about his divorce and how unfairly he was treated by the judge.

[George II]

110. I'm sure you have your thumb on the pulse of the campaign in the NY 14th CD?

[oberliner]

115. His campaign has no website or Facebook page

He has not filed the paperwork with the Federal Elections Commission needed to take donations.

In the few recent attempted interviews with him, he talks almost exclusively about his divorce. (He has been obsessively talking about this divorce case for years. There are several You Tube videos of him ranting about it).

[wonkwest]

164. Thank you

I never thought I’d being defending the most general of lefts on a democratic board, but here were are.

[oberliner]

200. The hostility towards her is strange and somewhat inexplicable

[Jim Lane]

252. I don't find it at all inexplicable, given her political experience. (n/t)

[GulfCoast66]

2. Sometimes a cigar, is not a cigar...

[Docreed2003]

3. Wtf???

[bigtree]

4. so she misspoke

...meh.

[Squinch]

12. Lol. I seem to remember someone else using that excuse in the last couple of days.

It was ridiculous then too.

[George II]

39. Is it "would" or "wouldn't"? We also hear earlier in the week that....

...the reason unemployment is low is because many people have two jobs. Can you believe it?

[bigtree]

54. good lord

...this is the strategy against AOC.

Campaigning here against a gaffe?"

How pathetic that you smear this Democratic candidate here by comparing her to Trump.

[sheshe2]

62. pathetic?

how dare you smear a member of this board.

[Squinch]

83. I wasn't smearing the candidate. I was pointing out the lameness of YOUR excuse for the candidate.

[melman]

149. You most certainly were

smearing this Democratic candidate.

[sheshe2]

155. Yet here you are smearing a duer.

Go figure.

[melman]

156. No I absolutely did not

But since you're here let me ask.

Do you think it's legitimate for someone to compare this young Democratic candidate to Dump? If so, why?

Because that's what was done here, you seem to be defending it and I'm just curious as to why.

[sheshe2]

162. Well you absolutely did.

Smear a DUer,

Absolutely.

Do you think it's legitimate for someone to compare this young Democratic candidate to Dump? If so, why?

No one compared the two, both made huge gaffes. Fact. Both should apologize and neither one will. AOC has not apologized once for her own anymore than trumpie. I don't expect that from him. I expect that however from a Democrat, no matter how young. We are better than that.

Because that's what was done here, you seem to be defending it and I'm just curious as to why.

Oh mel. I am not the one defending. That would be you.

[Squinch]

173. Not even a little melman, but nice try.

[George II]

120. You take every comment in a KANSAS primary as a "strategy against AOC" in NY14?

[bigtree]

180. this isn't a thread about the Kansas primary

...it's a hit and run thread against AOC.

One in a series.

[George II]

198. Is she not the one who is quoted in the OP, and did she not say it in Kansas?

[oberliner]

109. Yes, the context made it obvious what Trump had actually meant to say (which is what he said)

Just as the context here makes it obvious what she had meant to say.

[Hortensis]

184. Yes. She must have meant to say "NOT-red."

She needs to go home and find out what her district's voters want from their representative.

[Squinch]

191. Well, she did just make a trip of the tongue, which should

have been the end of it. But then Sanders POSTED IT! Wtf??

And then people here quote trump to justify it. The world has gone ridiculous.

I will be very happy when she starts to fight republicans.

[Hortensis]

199. Mindless partisanship. OR and Sanders supporters

often push the very same messages as Republicans and the Kremlin. They believe their goals justify the means, of course. Unfortunately, too many need to believe the propaganda also.

Thinking how often OR groups are willing to lose seats to the GOP by running weak candidates against strong Republicans, and remembering how willing OR groups have been so hostile to mainstream Democratic candidates that they preferred they lose to Republicans, I'm not as sure as I'd like to be that Ocasio's statement was a mere trip of the tongue rather than a slip of that kind of mentality.

As you say, they should be fighting Republicans.

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[JCanete]

209. that is fucking stupid. Wow. absolutely different, and she obviously mispoke here, because you

can't flip a red seat red. There's no Freudian slip here and you fucking know it. What happened to any kind of intellectual honesty here?

[Squinch]

217. She misspoke and Sanders breathlessly tweeted it to the world as if it was a great thing to say.

So what's that about?

[JCanete]

220. hehe....oh I see, yeah, its dog-whistle politics to his red base. After all that's who his

supporters are right? Forget about any voting evidence to the contrary. Can you please just dial it back? If you have legitimate issues with Sanders, Cortez, etc. isn't it in your best interest to stay within the limits of actually legitimate criticism? This is just embarassing, and I would think, beneath us at DU.

[Squinch]

222. OK, but then you tell me: what is this about? I have no problem with her misspeaking. But then

why the hell did THEY publicize it as if it were a great thing?

[JCanete]

224. I don't know...maybe they did a quick video and put it on and nobody noticed in the activity that

she flubbed it. Or maybe they figured, "oops, but nobody is going to confuse the fact that this is obviously a misspeak and will get what she actually means." Obviously that second option would be a miscalculation, as you've proven.

[Squinch]

226. And a day later it isn't taken down. You don't find that in the least bit odd? I think

it's completely bizarre. Clearly it is a statement that can be used against her until kingdom come. Why not just take it down?

No, I don't think they're trying to appeal to republicans. But at the very least this shows that, as they trip over themselves to fight against Democrats, they are making idiotic mistakes.

As I have said umpteen times, I am looking forward to the day when she fights against republicans instead of against Democrats.

[lapucelle]

232. It's still in BS's twitter feed 20 hours later.

He did also tweet this out last night

I don’t believe there are red states or blue states.

I find the original iteration of the ideal more inspiring

[OilemFirchen]

36. And Sanders tweeted the gaffe.

Feh.

[Cha]

58. Oh boy.. that he did.

[Wwcd]

61. NO! He repeated it? Someone should tell them where they are, dang!

Gaaaad..

[sheshe2]

66. We still in Kansas?

[Wwcd]

72. Ha! No shit. Man this is frightful. "Flip the seat RED!"

(sigh)

[sheshe2]

89. Half dozen gaffs?

In what. 30 days?

[Wwcd]

96. Wth is their problem? Trust & believability is kinda a big deal in a campaign.

This is getting really weird! 🤤

[TexasTowelie]

138. Could it have meant another red party?

[oberliner]

106. No, he didn't

Someone on his staff tweeted the video. It's quite obvious she meant blue. It's not a big deal.

[Squinch]

123. It wasn't till he put it out there for the world to see. Now it is.

[oberliner]

125. The important thing is making sure a Democrat wins the seat

Whichever Democrat ends up winning the primary needs to beat Yoder.

That should be the focus.

[Squinch]

172. For once we agree. But I'm very eager for the day when OC starts working against republicans.

[OilemFirchen]

134. Weak.

Even for you.

[oberliner]

137. She's new to politics, but her heart is in the right place

Let's rally behind her!

[OilemFirchen]

142. I don't live in New York.

Who is this Sanders staffer? Are you in regular contact?

[oberliner]

143. It used to be Hector Sigala

I don't know who it is these days.

Hector was awesome though. Here's a great article about him:

Meet the Man Running Bernie Sanders' Twitter Account

http://fortune.com/2016/04/04/bernie-sanders-social-media/

Also, if you don't live in NY, you can help spread positivity about Democratic candidates there and in any other state.

That's kind of the point of DU.

[OilemFirchen]

147. No thanks on the "great article" about a Twitter Bro.

Who took his place, Senor Cocksure?

BTW, I always "spread positivity" about Democrats. I even did that for Al Franken, consistently and constantly.

Remember the lynch squad that cut him off at his knees? That sucked, dinnit?

[Squinch]

192. All here who can will keep up our end if the bargain. We will vote for her.

Now she needs to hold up her end by putting her MOUTH in the right place and by going after republicans and not democrats.

[peggysue2]

261. Maybe it wasn't a gaffe

The DSA's (Democrratic Socialists of America) color is red.

Hummmm. A gaffe until it isn't.

[sheshe2]

43. misspoke

misspoke on jobs.

misspoke on Crowley

misspoke about turning our KS seat red.

[George II]

52. This is starting to sound like Yossarian in Catch-22

[sheshe2]

57. Yep.

[RandySF]

65. Says she misspoke on Israel.

[sheshe2]

70. Forgot that one.

Something about Duckworth and Gillibrand as well? I seem to remember something there as well.

[Cha]

87. Oh yes.. she attacked Israel and then admitted

ignorance on it.

[Cha]

91. Thanks, she.. it is not just one Misspoke. And, as

RandySF reminded.. Cortez attacked Israel and then admitted ignorance on it.

[pnwmom]

60. How the HELL do you make a mistake like that? "Red" and "blue" aren't similar words. nt

[oberliner]

108. It happens

Not a big deal at all.

[sheshe2]

133. Sure, not a big deal.

She also misspoke here.

sheshe2 (49,116 posts)

43. misspoke

misspoke on jobs.

misspoke on Crowley

misspoke about turning our KS seat red.

others added that she misspoke on Israel. she admitted that she had no clue what she was saying.

Yep. Happens all the time in the 30 days after a primary.

[oberliner]

136. She wasn't expecting this amount of focus and attention

She's new to politics, but her heart is in the right place. Let's rally behind her!

[sheshe2]

150. So.

oberliner

136. She wasn't expecting this amount of focus and attention

She's new to politics, but her heart is in the right place.

This explains her misspeaking? on Israel . Crowley. Jobs. And turning KS red. Not to mention her attacks on Duckworth and Gillibrand.

All this because she is new? She has not even been elected to a congressional seat. I think she should focus on her run and not go around the country endorsing other candidates at this time. Win yours first, support your district. Only then go on. I had high hopes for her.

[Me.]

238. Miss Spoke!

[sheshe2]

241. Lol

[bigtree]

179. well you go on and pretend she was promoting the republican opposition

...ridiculous, but I really don't care what you say you believe.

If you want to represent something that absurd, go ahead.

[Wwcd]

5. No thanks. VOTE Blue for Sharice Davids. she's got more creds for women, minorities, & families than

the white patricarch guy.
It's odd that Progressives would be campaigning against the most descript Progressive Dem Candidate, Sharice Davids.



Wonder why??

Kinda sucks when you realize they both sounded so sincere at one time, in supporting exactly what Davids represents.

Not so much anymore.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/api/amp/indiancountrytoday/news/a-vice-president-now-bernie-sanders-sharice-davids-race-is-getting-attention-OXB9pDdgS0eQTtFuhtFFbg/

[bigtree]

6. there's another woman running

...four major Dem candidates in this primary.

It's sophistry to pretend this is just about campaigning 'against' Davids.

Wonder why the other candidates are running for the same seat?

Stupid question and slippery politics to pretend AOC's efforts are against Davids and not supporting a candidate who's actually leading in this Democratic contest.

That's right, it's a contest between Democrats for the chance to face the republican in November. AOC misspoke, but you're deliberately miscasting the race.

Wonder why?

[Wwcd]

8. No the stupidity is buying what Cenk is selling & why he's selling it under the DEM label.

Sharice Davids represents everything both Sanders & Cortez ran their campaigns on.

Just throwing this out there.
hmm..hmm..hmm..

Figures

[bigtree]

11. blah,blah blah

...tell that to the people voting for the other candidates.

Pretending like AOC is just in Kansas to campaign against Davids is partisan spin. There are three other major candidates in that race.

[Wwcd]

15. Bla bla bla is correct, judging by that big misspeak

That headline is rather revealing..

Thanks Cenk!

[bigtree]

19. that's all you have?

...a gaffe and Cenk?

Weak.

[Wwcd]

23. That's a Pretty Big Misspeak! And naah, I have much more!

Wait for it....

[George II]

78. Bazinga!

[sheshe2]

100. Bwahahahaha

[lapucelle]

119. There is that campaign contribution from JP Morgan Chase...

...but I'm sure Brand New Congress / AOC returned the money.

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/contributors?cycle=2018&id=NY14&spec=N

[George II]

64. Is that the Cenk that accepted $M in conservative money and resigned from Justice Democrats....

....for blatantly sexist comments? No wonder he supports male candidates against progressive female candidates.

I'll take the Emily's list endorsee, Sharice Davids in this race. As they say, "she checks all the boxes"! She's not the "establishment" candidate.

[Wwcd]

76. Nor the Big corporate money candidate either. In fact, she comes with everything the

progressives demand in a candidate.

Why would they NOT support Davids?
Weird huh.

[lapucelle]

10. Is there polling that says he's leading? N/T

[bigtree]

16. I can't find a recent one, but he had been leading the pack

...he's been polling ahead of republican Yoder.

Welder, who worked as a labor lawyer and wants a $15 minimum wage and touts a "Medicare for all" platform, has polled ahead of Yoder, and his 3rd District went to Hillary Clinton by a slim margin in 2016
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/20/ocasio-cortez-and-sanders-in-joint-rally-say-their-agenda-is-now-democratic-mainstream.html

[RandySF]

67. That was an internal campaign poll a few months back

And likely showing message test results.

[sheshe2]

77. This sure is going to help their candidate.

[lapucelle]

107. I have a link to the actual poll that Fox News is referencing.

It was commissioned by PCCC and conducted by PPP in February.

While the data shows Welder polling ahead of Yoder, there was only one question (out of a total of 15) that asked about any of the primary candidates, Democratic or Republican:

Q: If the general election for Congress were held today, and the candidates were Democrat Brent Welder and Republican Kevin Yoder, who would you be more likely to vote for?

Brent Welder 49%
Kevin Yoder 42%
Not sure 9%

This poll appears to have been commissioned not so much to be an objective measure of public opinion as to be a marketing tool for a BNC candidate.

There's a reason why H.L. Mencken said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Brent Welder is so proud of that poll that he uses this as the profile picture on his Facebook campaign page.



http://act.boldprogressives.org/survey/2018polling_ks03/

[George II]

73. Unfortunately there's been only one "poll" for the Dem/rep race (not the primary race).....

....that only asks about one of six Democratic candidates vs. the incumbent Yoder.

No mention of the other five Democratic candidates, so we really don't know where the primary race stands.

[Kaleva]

14. No reason to wonder why. Obvious is obvious.

Brent Welder's stand on the issues appears to be in sync with the great majority of DUers. It'd be inaccurate to says David's is the only progressive in this race.

[bigtree]

21. there's actually little daylight between the four major Democrats' views

...funny singling out Davids as the only progressive, but whatever..

[Kaleva]

25. If I was a voter in that district, it'd be tough to choose who to vote for.

There's a wealth of talent running in that race.

[sheshe2]

82. Isn't that what BS and AOC are doing?

They chose the candidate and are actively promoting them. That is singling them out.

[Wwcd]

101. Well that's a good question Sheshe! And an important one that deserves an answer too.

Ok for one but not another?
What's up with that anyway.
hmmm...

[George II]

97. All things being equal (which it's not), I would choose the Native American woman....

...who has been working as an attorney on Native American reservations advocating for her people.

[oberliner]

111. In a different state

[SunSeeker]

167. She worked for a law firm in Kansas City on economic development issues for Native Americans.

That is in addition to her work on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

You should not falsely suggest a progressive local Democratic candidate is a carpetbagger. That would indeed "flip this seat red."

[oberliner]

171. Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is in South Dakota

When she worked in Kansas City, it was in the office of an international law firm (Dentons) as a corporate transactional attorney working on mergers and acquisitions.

She left her position at Dentons and moved to Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota where she worked on economic development issues for Native Americans.

She references this in a recent interview:

After Cornell, I came back home and took a position at Dentons, which is one of the largest law firms in the world. I did mergers and acquisitions and private equity. Then I started doing entrepreneurship on the Pine Ridge Reservation, and that’s when my corporate learnings started being applied to community development.

https://www.50statesofblue.com/2018/03/kansas-sharice-davids-first-native-american-woman-congress/

[SunSeeker]

202. She worked to help Native Americans in SD, like she did in KC.

The work she did at the KC firm on business matters included helping Native American entrepreneurs. Sharice, along with her brother, created Starty Pants - a video podcast that highlights entrepreneurs in the Greater Kansas City area with a focus on women, people of color and LGBTQ founders.  She is a nationally recognized expert on economic and community development in Native communities.https://www.shariceforcongress.com/about

Sharice studied business administration at the University of Missouri-Kansas City and received her law degree from Cornell Law School. She worked for a law firm in Kansas City on issues including economic development for Native American tribes. She then went on to live and work on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

 https://www.emilyslist.org/candidates/sharice-davids

Just because she didn't list her whole biography in your cherry-picked quote does not mean she did not help Native Americans while in Kansas. She most certainly did.

It is really offensive to try to smear her as some sort of out-of-stater. She is a Kansan native who has always been involved with the Native American community in and around Kansas.

You could just bring up what you like about your guy, but no. You insist on tearing down a fellow progressive Democrat with false insinuations. You should be ashamed of yourself. It is this kind of crap that cost Hillary the election. Putin loves this shit.

[Cha]

245. Mahalo for all that additional info on what Sharice Davids

does to help Native Americans.. in Kansas, too!

glenn greenwald and his toxic bunch have already tried to smear her with "establishment" since Emily's List endorsed her.

Don'tcha know Emily's List is "establishment" according to greenwald's ilk.

Link to tweet

Sharice Davids

U.S. House, Kansas
•A dedicated community leader standing up for Kansas working families
•A champion for expanding economic opportunity
•An opportunity to flip a seat and take back the House

https://www.emilyslist.org/candidates/sharice-davids

Thank You, SunSeeker!

[SunSeeker]

247. Thank you, Cha, for all your posts about Sharice Davids.

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[Cha]

250. Here's a fresh one!

Link to tweet

[George II]

206. To quote a poster in this very thread:

"200. The hostility towards her is strange and somewhat inexplicable"

[George II]

203. Yes, in South Dakota. Although the state of Kansas has more than three times the population...

...of South Dakota (2,800,000 vs. 86,000) there are more than twice as many Native Americans in South Dakota (34,000 vs. 78,000)

If one were to want to live with and work for Native Americans doing so in South Dakota makes a lot of sense.

[Kaleva]

185. And she would be a very good choice!

If i lived in that district, i might very well vote for her in the primary but I certainly would enthusiastically support and vote for Welder in the general if he were to be the nominee.

[George II]

55. Well, I sure as heck don't want to "flip this seat red"!!!!

[Cha]

18. Thank you @sharicedavids for being a voice for other human beings whose voices are pushed to the..

Link to tweet

RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10902582

As you know, Janelle Monáe who is from Kansas supports Sharice Davids!

Janelle Monáe is involved with Michelle Obama in #WhenWeAllVote

Link to tweet

Michelle Obama Launches Voter Registration Campaign with Tom Hanks and Lin-Manuel Miranda

snipster//

Miranda has joined forces with former First Lady Michelle Obama and some other famous friends to launch a new voter registration nonprofit called When We All Vote.

In addition to the Hamilton creator and the first lady, the co-chairs of the national nonpartisan organization include actor Tom Hanks, country music stars (and spouses) Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, basketball player Chris Paul and singer-songwriter Janelle Monáe.

snip//

The launch video shows Obama and Miranda personally making voter registration calls, reminding the other co-chairs to vote in every election — “school board, state house, all of them,” Obama instructs.

“Voting is the only way to ensure that our values and priorities are represented in the halls of power,” Obama says in a statement in When We All Vote’s press release. “And it’s not enough to just vote for president every four years. We all have to vote in every single election: for mayor, governor, school board, state legislature and Congress. The leaders we elect to these offices help determine just about every aspect of our lives and our democracy. So the future of our families, our communities and our country belongs to those of us who show up, cast our votes, and make our voices heard.”

More..
https://people.com/politics/michelle-obama-launches-voter-registration-campaign-lin-manuel-miranda/

#WhenWeAllVote

[oberliner]

128. What about Cindi Mayweather?

[Cha]

140. You support your candidate and I'll support mine.

[oberliner]

141. I'm guessing you're not a big fan of Janelle Monae's music

Cindi Mayweather is her alter-ego (hence the twitter handle of Janelle Monáe, Cindi).

[Cha]

144. No, I didn't know that.. But I do know that Janelle Monae

is joining Michelle Obama in #WhenWeAllVote.

And, I like what she said about Sharice Davids on Twitter!

She's also has a Concert in Kansas in October..

Janelle Monáe, The Roots Set To Perform In Kansas City Arts Festival

http://kcur.org/post/janelle-mon-e-roots-set-perform-kansas-city-arts-festival#stream/0

[oberliner]

146. No problem - it was just meant as a light-hearted joke

I think all the Democratic primary candidates in that KS race seem really interesting and cool in their own way. Looking forward to supporting the winner in defeating Yoder, who is awful.

[obamanut2012]

177. Educated LGBT Native woman who is also an ex MMA fighter

Sh reps the most marginalized demographic in North America: Native women. I live in SOFL and donated to her campaign.

[Me.]

7. It Would Be Helpful If Someone Sat Her Down

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and explained that she actually has to win the election and while she is everywhere but there Pappas is likely out campaigning in the district

[bigtree]

9. support in her district is 6-1

...that's not really a serious concern.

I understand it's on some folk's wish list here.

It's funny how all this concern for her campaign comes along with these efforts to demean her.

[Me.]

17. My Concern Is That We Keep The Seat Dem

As to 6/1...I suggest we not count chickens. And, a candidate's main responsibility is to campaign in the district in which they are running and secure the seat and if you consider her doing so demeaning then you and I disagree on the matter.

[sheshe2]

53. Bingo!!!

I sure would be pissed if Elizabeth Warren were everywhere but MA. She is up in 2018. Blue states are never safe. We would know that here in MA. We lost Ted's seat.

[Me.]

68. That Is Exactly My Point

who would've ever thought we would lose Ted K's seat? And btw, Crowley lost in good part because he didn't pay attention to his race and took a win for granted.

[sheshe2]

71. Exactly, me.

[joshcryer]

102. Feingold should've been a shoo in.

Totally blindsided by that one. That's a guy I supported for President at one point. Totally messed up.

[oberliner]

118. She will win and it won't be close

There is nobody seriously running against her. The Republican does not have a campaign website and has not filed the necessary paperwork to receive donations. He is a crank whose motivation for getting on the ballot was so he can talk about what he believes to be his unfair divorce court ruling. That's basically all he talks about when people try to interview him.

[sheshe2]

158. My point.

No blue state is ever a sure thing.

I have read people here say that they did NOT vote for Hill because they were in a blue state and their vote did not matter..

IT MATTERS!

[JustAnotherGen]

170. Amen

Adding - I'm reading a lot about AOC being everywhere but IN her district. I can tell you off the top of my head every place our candidate has been in our district - the past five days.

This is where AOC should be identifying constituent services team members, transition team, aides in her D.C. office, etc etc

[sheshe2]

215. Exactly, JAG.

This is where AOC should be identifying constituent services team members, transition team, aides in her D.C. office, etc etc

[Squinch]

174. The same is not true for all the seats outside her state where

she is campaigning against incumbent dems.

[George II]

187. Hmm, I seem to remember that Joseph Crowley was being criticized a month ago for....

...a similar attitude with respect to the primary. But in November he'll still be on the ballot.

No one "demeans" her, but many get upset with her when she demeans and campaigns against Democrats:

Tammy Duckworth
Kirsten Gilibrand
Joseph Crowley
Lacy Clay

[treestar]

208. Still, get back there for crying out loud!

Nothing is absolutely certain. What if her gallivanting about annoys her district?

[bigtree]

231. because she's like in another country

...I hope they don't find out about the thousands of Democratic voters she's rallying along the way.

Could be infectious.

[treestar]

257. Would be weird if she wins all the districts other than her own

She is not even in office yet. FCOL, get back there at least by September!

[oberliner]

103. Pappas is not out campaigning in the district - he isn't interested in winning the seat

He has no reported campaign contributions.

In interviews, he talks about his divorce and his gripes with the judicial system.

He is a crank that is not running any kind of actual campaign.

[Me.]

196. One Must Hope

and frankly, because your opponent is a screw up is no excuse for showing up

[RhodeIslandOne]

13. I bet the JPRs got a collective stiffy

[Wwcd]

20. Rofl & They can't believe their luck.!

What if Cowley sneaks the coveted majority of votes from her while she's busy elsewhere!

It could happen ya know.
Cenk would have a sad if it all went south.
Weirder stuff has happened!
Just sayin.

[bigtree]

22. anything's possible with all of the ratfucking going on

...Lieberman calling for people to vote for Crowley.

People here cheering that on...

[Wwcd]

31. Haaahaaa!!! Someone supporting a dui arrest & failed child support record

In WI, over the most solid trusting Dem woman, Cathy Meyers.

We see the real ratfuking going on & btw, did you know that Tad Devine & his Office STILL works for Sanders !
Couldn't believe it myself considering his recent email scandal.

Between Cenk & Tad, the trust issue is kinda obvious, isn't it. As to Democrats, anyway.

That's the kind of stuff that makes one question ...things.
Ya know?
But hey, its up to each of us to decide where we'll hang our future on.
Good luck.

Night...

[Me.]

34. ...

[bigtree]

37. all I see here are DUers campaigning against other Democrats

...all the while pretending to be concerned about the integrity of the party.

Slippery, wedge politics.

[Wwcd]

42. Yup. Sure looks slippery alright! Did you see that headline!! I mean, c'mon!

Geezus.

[joshcryer]

56. Um, all democrats are fair game in primaries.

That's the entire point.

Welder likely wins this nomination. Davids doesn't have a shot in hell. She's an Native American "queer woman" (her words), she knows she's a long shot. A minority within a minority. The white guy from out of state will win this handily.

[bigtree]

63. AOC won her primary

,,,but you wouldn't know it.

You don't really think this thread is about Kansas, do you? It's just another slam on AOC from a continuing campaign against her here at DU from some.

[H2O Man]

74. That it is.

Sad.

[joshcryer]

85. I don't agree with meddling in another states primaries...

...especially when the coronation candidate is nothing special.

As if Sharice Davids doesn't have enough going against her she has to have the supposedly "more progressive" entities pushing back against her candidacy. She's a long shot in hell and we should all support the primary winner, without doubt.

[oberliner]

131. What makes Davids a better candidate than Welder?

Which one is more likely to defeat Yoder?

[joshcryer]

151. Welder isn't even from Kansas.

If he were to win the primary this would be a contentious issue. Yoder would use this against him. He would frame Welder as an outsider who worked for Obama and Sanders' campaigns, would note his inexperience, and would run a "good old boy" campaign.

The state is flippable and any Democrat who wins the primary would still have a shot. But if Welder ran and accepted any outsider money it'd be easily used against him. Yoder has a massive influx of money. 20x that of Davids. He will argue that for his case.

Remember, the Republicans get away with using outsider money. The Democrats struggle with it because their constituents don't want outsider money, they want grassroots stuff. Obama arguably killed the party by banning lobbying money from being accepted by the party. A lot of Democrats ran with shallow coffers against Republicans with massive ad buys and campaigns.

[bigtree]

178. that's * spin

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...candidates have folks from out of state campaign with them all of the time.

I've seen senators, congressmen and women, former presidential candidates, etc. This is a red herring.

They drew some 3000 Kansans to a midterm rally. Go on and criticize that if you want.

Another thing, AOC is no more 'pushing back' Davids' candidacy than the other Dems in the race. Trying to make like this is some affront, and not standard primary politics is wrong and transparently partisan.

Funny how there's no concern at all about posting a demeaning thread about a Democratic NOMINEE who helped bring out 3000 Kansans to a Democratic rally. Just this same navel-gazing nonsense. Wake up.

[Wwcd]

81. Not really. There are many factors that raise some serious red flags in the trust dept.

None is actually her doing, but those she surrounds herself with, rather.

I think she is getting some really bad advice from some very self serving types.

I think she is being lead off the path she originally campaigned on.
And that is really unfortunate for her.

[melman]

154. No there really aren't

And no she really isn't.

[joshcryer]

84. Sure, someone caught her misspeaking.

I would point out that before 2000, red meant Democrat. Why it switched in the 2000 elections, I have no fucking clue, I think the media was playing some weird shit then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

And red, generally, means socialist movements globally. "Red scare" and such. I do not fault her on that one bit.

[lapucelle]

145. This whole episode is strange.

Why did Sanders' social media team post that video? Why haven't they taken it down?

It's not so much that someone "caught" AOC making a mistake and exploited it as it is that someone on their own team filmed her making a statement and posted the video, never realizing the misstep.

[NCTraveler]

98. I agree with you sentiment, overall.

But she is clearly still campaigning in the primaries and everyone who read the news at any point for over a week after her election knows she some the primary. Rarely have I seen a scene that involves so few voters and a clear democratic hold turned into something so big. That set the stage for what you are describing. Obviously so.

[Cha]

79. I sure hope you're WRONG, joshcryer!

Link to tweet

Sharice has a LOT of GOOD People Working for her!

[joshcryer]

86. She does, but Cha, she has so much working against her.

She's a minority within a minority (LGBT Native American, talk about fighting from the bottom!). And then she has Our Revolution championing this white guy from Iowa whose only claim to fame is working on campaigns of previous candidates (Obama and Sanders).

[Cha]

95. I know.. but Sharice is a Fighter! And, she's

from there!

Link to tweet

I'm sending her money.. and that's unusual for me now.

[joshcryer]

99. I know, I'm all over her Twitter feed.

If you haven't seen my tweets:

https://www.twitter.com/joshcryer/status/1020357764995010561

Also there's a LONG thread where I rebuffed this stupid Emily's List conspiracy:

https://www.twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1017926798846447617

(Click on the tweet and look at the replies, I'm all over it.)

[Wwcd]

114. Emiily's List supports campaigns of Women who stand on the side of Women & Family.

EMList is like a Union for women candidates, often marginalized & left with little resources to campaign & win & vote to keep women & family issues from being ignored by a patriarchial dominated governing system.

EMILY'S LIST has help seat many many of our strongest women advocates in our State & Federal governing body.

Those who dismiss Emily's List also dismiss the rights of women.
That is who they are.

[joshcryer]

116. Bashing Emily's List is absolutely absurd.

They have gotten $3 million in donations in 2018. $3 million. Freaking Yoder, in KS-03, has got almost that much from the RNC. So they drop 10% of that in a very flippable seat in KS-03, and suddenly they're fucking establishment and terrible. It is a disgrace.

[Cha]

117. Thanks for the tweet links and being all over it.. I just replied to you!

I joined 8 days ago and I just remembered you were one of the first ones I replied to.. forget what it was about. lol

I don't see your name in that second link.

[joshcryer]

122. Hmm, try this tweet thread then:

https://www.twitter.com/joshcryer/status/1018018438680281088

I seem to vaguely recall you replying to me on another thread but I can't find it. I followed you just now, btw.

Not a big twitter user except with my close friends but if you look at my main feed (not tweets and replies), I'm kind of just retweeting BS crap that keeps happening politically.

[Cha]

135. Thanks! There won't be much to follow

I'm still barely dipping in.. I have a lot to learn.

I just followed you! Mahalo for this tweet.. you're saying it's a longshot for Sharice but it's flappable to BLUE!

This is the feed I've been going to for while now.. it inspired me to finally join.

And, now it's surreal.. I get to reply back and Like whatever I want.

https://twitter.com/eclecticbrotha

Electricbrotha.. he has one of Sharice's campaign ad's pinned.

[Squinch]

124. Do show where anyone here cheered that on.

[NCTraveler]

92. .

[JHan]

239. loloololololololo

[Stinky The Clown]

26. (-)(-)

[Bettie]

27. Brent Welder is a Dem as well

so why is supporting him unacceptable?

Or do we not like primaries anymore? "Support Democrats" doesn't really mean that?

[RandySF]

28. Glenn Greenwald would have screamed bloody murder

if a national Dem went in to campaign for another candidate, or if the DCCC got involved.

[Bettie]

30. I'm not asking about Greenwald...

he screams bloody murder about a lot of stuff that doesn't matter.

[George II]

33. Exactly, remember the brouhaha back in the spring in Texas when the DCCC endorsed....

....a candidate against an "Our Revolution" candidate?

Funny how that works. "Progressives" advocating for a candidate against a so-called "centrist" is okay, but a so-called "centrist" advocating against a "progressive" is trying to keep the seat, um....."red".

[Wwcd]

47. B.I.N.G.O.!!! I'can't wait for the explanation.

Oopsie!

[bigtree]

41. no, you're correct, it means support Dems of your choice

...something obscured by these series of anti-AOC posts.

First the concern was campaigning against incumbents, now the complaint is supporting Dems other than the ones critics support. It's partisan bull.

[CentralMass]

75. Yes, it's hypocritical bullshit.

[George II]

29. WTF? Why are Democrats in Kansas trying to "flip" seats red?

[bigtree]

32. yeah

...because that's what's really happening.

[George II]

35. What did she say?

[bigtree]

45. it was a gaffe

...but you go on and make a campaign against her based on it.

Dirt-dumb politics. Not very inspiring. Misrepresenting AOC's politics based on a gaffe is slippery wedge politics. Much more pernicious and questionable than misspeaking.

[betsuni]

130. I think people don't like double standards.

When the Democratic candidate for president in the last election misspoke, and when the next candidate runs and makes a gaffe, we get:

There's no room for errors.
Words are the action of politics.
They don't deserve another chance.
This a huge mistake.
Bad optics.

And so on. Everyone's feet should be held to the fire, we shouldn't be complacent.

[Cha]

148. Yes, where's the One Standard!? "Feet to the Fire".

Who could forget that?! Going all the way back to President Obama.. oh yes they were All Over That.

[BannonsLiver]

194. She seems to have a lot of gaffes

Maybe she’s not ready for prime time.

[Wwcd]

44. Yup. We all see it too.

Good lord, thats a blooper of a headline.
Ugh!

[Squinch]

175. And Sanders tweeted it.

[Wwcd]

201. Its almost like they WANTED the Red word to be heard.

Wonder why?..

Maybe they should just drop the word "Democratic" from their label.

Call themselves what they really are.

[lapucelle]

228. It will turn up somewhere in an ad.

I wish AOC would distance herself from Brand New Congress. She's serving them well, but they're not returning any favors. I'd love to get a look at the pledge forms and/or contracts that Brand New Congress candidates sign.

[Wwcd]

38. Good question. Just a misspeak. A slip of the tongue perhaps.

Maybe no one noticed.

She should stop listening to Cenk..
I hear even He's a Dem now too!!

Everybody wants to be a Dem!
Wonder why..

[George II]

40. I can guess why, but it's getting late on a Friday!

[Wwcd]

59. Well you do have a point George! I was going to answer "Money & "Media", but we already know that

That answer was given awhile back.
Maybe its different this time.

VOTE BLUE for Sharice Davids. Her creds beat out any others.

[joshcryer]

50. You have to know she sees Davids as the better candidate.

But can't go against the Our Revolution grain.

[Wwcd]

69. Yes. If that's the kind of Rep she'll be in the House should she not lose to Crowley,

then what exactly DOES she stand for?

Lines are becoming blurred from where she began.
Maybe we'll hear more on that from her.
Hope so.

[joshcryer]

80. "Rising star" status. Celebrity status.

She's got all this support from around the country. She's going to "go with it."

If, by some fucking miracle, Davids wins the primary (I find this to be a long shot given her minority status within a minority status and no significant backing except by Emily's List which has been demonized to hell and back), if she wins, I will expect Our Revolution to back her resoundingly. No bitter shit. Just back her.

It's one race I would expect that, because in all reality, she should've been the Our Revolution candidate, in a real world, ideal world, where Our Revolution picked progressive candidates that were representative of the future of the party. Instead they're backing just another campaign crony. Someone who worked on Obama's campaign, someone who worked on Sanders campaign, someone who just is a career campaign worker.

It's absolutely sad how all these Our Revolution candidates were former Sanders supporters, many of whom don't have any experience or desire to act in a community organizer capacity. They just run campaigns. It's so weird.

[Wwcd]

88. Telling the straight up truth there Joshcryer.

Who the heck are they, if they aren't sticking to the progressive values they so heartly claim.

The lines of Trust are bluring from where they began.
I'll stick with the plain old solid Democrats.

At least I know what they have always represented....fairness, justice & human rights for all people.

[joshcryer]

94. Welder fought for the Our Revolution endorsement going back to summer 2017.

He was intimately involved in Sanders campaign and was involved with Our Revolution Kansas, which endorsed him in September of 2017. Our Revolution endorsed him earlier this year. He knew from the onset that if he fought for that endorsement he'd have 1) narrative (he's a "Sanders Democrat," after all, true blue progressive, etc) 2) instant funding from across the country.

AOC won her primary and became the rising star, and was forced in to backing this guy, and I highly doubt she even looked over the other candidates in the primary. Hell, Sidie himself shares the exact same platform as Welder, as does Davids. They all support $15 minimum wage, free college tuition, and medicare for all. They all do! Shocking, right? So what's the difference between them? What does it matter who wins?

There is no doubt in my mind AOC doesn't recognize Davids as the best candidate and privately hopes she wins even though it's a hell of a long shot.

[oberliner]

126. If they all have the same platform, why do you say Davids is the best candidate?

[ucrdem]

183. They don't all have the same platform and it's an important distinction.

Democrats want to preserve and expand the ACA, and OR candidates are committed to a different program altogether, meaning they can't be relied on to fight for the ACA. That might be the only difference but it's a big one.

[joshcryer]

190. Unique background, true grassroots status.

Compared to Yoder she's a breath of fresh air. Sidie and Welder are just Yoder type personalities.

[dansolo]

176. I call bullshit on that

AOC is completely on board with the Bernie love, and will eagerly demonize anyone who hasn't endorsed Bernie. It seems to me that the real litmus test here is fealty towards Bernie, not policy positions.

[joshcryer]

189. She didn't say one negative thing about Davids in her speech last night.

[Cha]

46. I want Sharice Davids to Flip it BLUE!!!

Link to tweet

yoder out!

[Wwcd]

93. Sharice has my support also. This is a great tribute to her

Thank you @sharicedavids for being a voice for other human beings whose voices are pushed to the margins of society .
They fucking matter .
You have my support .

Beautifull & truthful

Thanks for posting this, CHA 🍃🇺🇸

[Cha]

105. I'm sending Sharice MONEY!

Which is unusual for me now.. but Damnit I want to help Her FLIP District 3 Kansas BLUE!

Link to tweet

Wwcd

[Wwcd]

121. Me Too, Cha.. I'll send it thru Emily's List & request it be directed to Sharice David.

You just go to House Candidates, find & click on Sharice in the alphabetical listing, and click the donate key under her name.

The funds will go towards Em List helping Sharice's campaign. Thru endorsements, ads, etc.

They do what most women's beginning campaigns cannot afford to do, or have the proper connections.
They are an amazing resource of good will.

[Cha]

127. Mahalo for that, Wwcd! Here it is!

https://www.emilyslist.org/candidates/sharice-davids

Sharice Davids

U.S. House, Kansas
•A dedicated community leader standing up for Kansas working families
•A champion for expanding economic opportunity
•An opportunity to flip a seat and take back the House

That's the one they're trying to paint Sharice "establishment" with.. greenwald bunch.. they are so stale.

[Me.]

197. And thank you Cha

[a kennedy]

48. They were the topic of the five on faux noise.......

Grandpa and grand daughter communists......oooops or did they say socialists.

[oberliner]

113. Fox loves to mock Democrats and progressives for spurious reasons

[joshcryer]

49. Obvious misspeak but likely outcome if a non-Kansan wins the primary.

Dudes a campaign crony. It will bite him in the ass hard if he wins this primary.

[Squinch]

90. Why the hell would Sanders tweet this? What is THAT about??

[oberliner]

112. It's a cool little video clip showing the enthusiasm in KC

tor the progressive Democratic candidate they are supporting.

She obviously meant to say blue at the end. Probably the Sanders staffer who posted it figured that would be obvious.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

165. No one who pals with Jimmy Dore nuts is "progressive "

.

[nini]

129. Well Russia is associated with the color red.

[oberliner]

132. So is Santa Claus

[lapucelle]

139. Why did BS post that video?

I wonder if anyone would have heard about this if BS hadn't put it out there for the world to see.

[Cha]

152. Obviously without really listening to it.

[melman]

153. Ridiculous thread

Another sad attack on this great young Democratic candidate.


Obviously what the attackers are accusing her of wanting to do wouldn't even be possible. But it doesn't matter. Any excuse to attack.

[RandySF]

159. Why hasn't she done anything to help Danny O'Connor in the OH special election

It's a very flippable congressional seat to be decided the very same day of these primaries, but not a single peep or tweet.

[Trumpocalypse]

160. Why does she have to?

Because you say so?

[RandySF]

161. It would be nice

For a Democrat to support a fellow Democrat against a Republican. But why would I think that?

[melman]

166. That's what she's doing here

And you're bashing her for it.

[Trumpocalypse]

169. Some will bash her

no matter what she does. For some reason she threatens them.

[George II]

204. There are no republicans in the Democratic Primary.

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[melman]

223. Did someone say there were?

How odd.

[George II]

225. Yes, your response #166 to post #161.

[melman]

227. No

I certainly did not.

[George II]

235. Well sir:

161. It would be nice

For a Democrat to support a fellow Democrat against a Republican. But why would I think that?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

166. That's what she's doing here

And you're bashing her for it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

She's in Kansas campaigning for a Democrat running against other Democrats.

[Trumpocalypse]

168. Who says she doesn't?

[Bengus81]

205. They should be celebrating the FACT that this event had to be MOVED to to a LARGER venue............

In a Republican strong hold like Kansas and Wichita. 4,000 there,bet that was MORE than when grease ball Donnie Jr was here a day or two earlier pimping for KKKobach.

But hell,keep tearing her apart of a gaffe which I'm sure 99% in attendance figured out on their own.

[treestar]

210. It's a stupid mistake

and pointing it out is constructive criticism; think before you speak.

[melman]

219. Please

You know perfectly well all the trashing and bashing in this thread isn't meant as constructive criticism.

[treestar]

258. As a lot of it was not meant when it came to Hillary

And Obama. Hold his feet to the fire! Hold her feet to the fire!

[melman]

259. No idea what that means

Sorry.

[Thrill]

157. How about winning your own seat first?

[Squinch]

193. Her seat is pretty safe. I'd like to know: how about her going after a republican for a change?

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[wonkwest]

163. Once I saw DU's demographics

I caught why there is so much anti Left sentiment.

That said. Oooh, that’s cringe. Cortez clearly misspoke. Clearly.

But Ooft.

Even I winced there.

But, without even reading this thread, I can sense the happy. Outrage engage!

[ucrdem]

181. Let's just say you cannot fool all the people all the time. n/t

[ucrdem]

182. Freudian slap.

When taking down the ACA is job #1 you can afford to be post-partisan.

[WhiteTara]

186. Was that Freudian?

[BannonsLiver]

195. A reasonable, fair question to ask

[kcr]

188. Oopsie

That sure was an interesting slip. Especially after her comment about Buckley. She makes a lot of gaffes.

[Power 2 the People]

207. What did she say wrong about Buckley? That he welcomed vigorous debate?

Did she say something in praise of his political ideology? I can't find that clip.

Buckley did welcome debate. Isn't that what our country is all about?

He debated Chomsky,Vidal,Baldwin,McGovern,Hitchens,Ginsburg,Donahue and many others. In many of those debates his faulty conservatism was exposed for the world to see. He may have been an asshole but he was one of the first to blast Ayn Rand as a fraud.

Please don't create a perceived negative for a proud Democrat like AOC where none should exist. We need to support Dems who will face Rethugs in November not cut them down.

[RandySF]

211. Buckley?

The guy who wanted to tattoo symbols on the upper firearms of AIDS patients?

[Power 2 the People]

213. I'm sorry, I didn't hear her praise that in the interview

Can you direct me to that portion of the interview? I thought she only mentioned his willingness to debate.

[PatrickforO]

212. Randy, I like you, but I disagree with your headline.

You say 'let's flip the seat red in November' and by that, at least to me, it sounds as if you're saying that Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez are plugging a 'cannot win lefty' against a more moderate candidate. First, here's a couple of paragraphs from a February article in the Kansas City Star:

Note the election we're talking about here comes up August 7.

There are about 100,000 registered Democrats in Johnson County. That is a surprise to many, because until recently, Democrats have been almost invisible. This compares to about 185,000 Republicans and about 115,000 unaffiliated.

Their shared repulsion at the right-wing policies of certain Republican demons has galvanized the Democrats. Those demons include former Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback, President Donald Trump (and, by association, U.S. Rep. Kevin Yoder of the 3rd District) and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who is running for governor.

OK, now let's look at the field. My source here is Open Secrets.
Yoder (R) is the incumbent. He has raised $2.6 million of which $1.5 million is from PAC contributions. He has spent $1.2 million. So he is a darling of the Koch brothers and other billionaire freaks.

Now, let's look at our field. There are 7, SEVEN Democrats running not just Sharice Davids.

The first guy is Tom Niermann (D). He's raised $694K, of which 89% is from big individual donors. He has thus far spent $309K.

Second, we have Brent Welder (D). He's the one Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez are helping. He is second in the Dem field at fundraising, having raised $620K, of which 60% is from large donors, 32% from small donors and 8.3% PACs. He has put $56K of his own money into the race. Brent has thus far spent $220K.

The third Dem running is Sylvia Williams. She's raised $311K so far and spent $78K.

Fourth, we have Sharice Davids. She has thus far raised $298K and spent $153K. Of the money she's raised, 71% is from large donors.

Fifth: Mike McCamon (D), who has raised $153K.

Sixth and seventh: Chris Haulmark and Jay Sidie both just names on the ballot.

Now, if I'm sitting here analyzing this based on fundraising, I'm thinking that either Niermann or Welder are the strongest options we have against a VERY WELL FUNDED Republican who is throwing money around like nobody's business.

So I will say this: Whichever Dem wins, we're all going to have to support them because KS District 3 is a big uphill slog. So, Randy, it seems to me that for you to say a vote for Welder will 'flip the seat red' seems a bit unfair. Looking at the strength of the R candidate in terms of funding from the big capitalists and corporation, the seat may stay red no matter who we run.

That said, I pledge to support whichever Dem wins. Might even send them a small contribution.

Because we have to try.

Just remember, all of you, that after August 7, THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE DEMOCRAT STANDING, SO SUPPORT THEM.

[Power 2 the People]

214. Well said.

Kudos on your research. We will all support the Dem that wins.

[George II]

221. Watch the video in the OP, that's what she said.

And by "large donors" (contributors) Opensecrets means those above the threshold for itemizing, which I believe is $200 for Congressional candidates.

No single individual can contribute more than $2700.

[PatrickforO]

229. Oh, shit! I stand corrected. Randy was pointing out a gaffe.

Geez.

Well, I stand corrected.

Sorry Randy! Here I am with mud on my face!

[George II]

230. Good for you, we don't see mea culpas around here much, THANKS!!!

[lapucelle]

236. Once the primary is over, the Democratic candidate

will be able to count on funds from the DCCC. The amount of money made available to the district's Democratic GE candidate will be contingent on several factors including the viability of that particular candidate in that particular race.

I'm curious to know whether Brand New Congress will allow Brent Welder to accept DCCC money if he wins the primary, given the fact that it includes corporate contributions. All Brand New Congress candidates sign a pledge not to accept any corporate contributions, but BNC might be flexible on that point given the fact that AOC signed the pledge and her FEC filing shows a large donation from JP Morgan Chase.

In the interest of transparency and full disclosure, BNC should make public any pledge documents and/or contracts that its candidates must sign. Better-informed voters make wiser choices.

[PatrickforO]

237. Yeah, I have some doubts about BNC. Oh, their platform is OK.

I guess I'm just too libertarian-socialist to accept the kind of lock-step requirements they are foisting on candidates.

Why do I feel this way? History tells me. When we look at what Marxism could have been versus what it became under Lenin and later Stalin, it seems this approach by the BNC is a bit Leninist.

Of course, I'll be supporting Ocasio-Cortez and Wilder if he wins the KS primary. But...again I feel like our republic was set up to allow for vigorous debate. I mean, as liberal as I admittedly am, I actually respect and want all of us to sit down at the table and hash out the issues through vigorous debate. This way, what we come up with will be something maybe we're all not 100% thrilled with, but that we can all live with. Then we move forward. This is what the founders of this nation had in mind when they set up our three branches of government and put all the checks and balances in place. This is the republic we must recapture.

But first, we need to squash the American empire as represented by Trump and his capitalist cabal of billionaire freaks. Unrestrained capitalism and Citizens United do not make for a government of, by and for the people.

[lapucelle]

243. AOC has very strong support where I live on LI.

We'd love to see her out here helping us to send Peter King into the retirement that he so richly deserves.

[Squinch]

244. What a concept! A Democrat fighting to unseat local republicans!!! Wow! We should have thought

of that waaaayyy sooner.

Lapucelle, I think you're onto something here!!!

[lapucelle]

249. Peter King is vulnerable for the first time in years.

Even though he voted against Trump's tax cuts for big business and millionaires because of the built in penalties for blue state residents, people here are fighting mad. We're now paying federal income taxes on the state income taxes and on the property taxes that we used to be able to deduct.

Phony double taxation on someone who newly acquires an estate worth $11,000,000...bad.
True double taxation on middle class home owners and and workers...good.

We flipped our county blue last year and have a chance to flip the 2nd district blue this year. We can use all hands on deck.

[Squinch]

251. And he is an especially odious human being.

[lapucelle]

253. There are regular protests against Trump's immigration policies outside his office.

They're wonderful to see. The office is on a quaint old-fashioned main street in a small village and the protesters are a well behaved group of regular folks...parents with children, senior citizens, young people, local clergy and activists. Not a good sign for Rep. Peter King.

[Squinch]

254. That is great!

[lapucelle]

255. And his challenger has already made history with a significant victory.

This mom just won the right to use campaign funds to pay for child care

Liuba Grechen Shirley is the first female candidate to get federal permission to use the funds for babysitting. The decision comes at a crucial time.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/11/17340698/mom-mothers-congress-child-care-liuba-grechen-shirley-campaign-funds-babysitting

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/10/politics/federal-election-commission-liuba-grechen-shirley-childcare/index.html

https://www.newsweek.com/women-candidates-victory-fec-childcare-campaign-918178

[Squinch]

256. Wish OC would help out against republicans close to home where she's needed.

Instead of campaigning against Clay, etc.

[panader0]

216. I hope that this kind of ridiculous nit-picking division

can be over before November.

[R B Garr]

218. Wow! This a huge gaffe and a very troubling glimpse

into the divisive lines that have emerged from all this. It is like a knee-jerk reaction/mindset to be opposite of so-called “establishment” that she slipped up and went way too far. Wow,

[Bucky]

242. No, it's not a big deal.

The party colors are an abstraction. It's easy to confuse one or the other. It's not like she said vote Republican. This is one for the blooper reels, that's all.

[Freethinker65]

233. Unfollowed her on twitter because IMO her tweets were becoming a travelogue of her endorsing others

But it seems obvious she was there to endorse a Democratic candidate and thus meant to say flip from red to blue. Why it got posted is an interesting question.

Still, this is not a career ending gaffe.

[JHan]

240. So I guess OR want their version of the Freedom Caucus operating within the democratic party...

At least with the tea party, their efforts were mainly ideologically driven.

But in this case..... it's something else entirely.

[andym]

246. Perhaps she intended "Let's flip this red seat in November"

A simple reversal of words makes a big difference. We are quick to criticize people, ideologies, ideas etc. we don't like and give the benefit of the doubt to those we do.

[jmowreader]

248. I try to stay out of the AOC threads...

...but it seems to me that before AOCstarts endorsing candidates, she should win a general election.

[Gothmog]

260. I do not like the socialist logo

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