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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaria Butina Declared Trump Victory on Facebook Before He Actually Won
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https://hillreporter.com/maria-butina-declared-trump-victory-on-facebook-before-he-actually-won-4082
Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)Keep pretending like our voting systems are NOT rigged and all the Russian Traitors who are in power now will be in power after the election plus a few extra Russian spies thrown in.
We keep going along as if little Putin didn't change the vote count, as if our voting systems are 100 percent fair and accurate, and reliable. Why do most of our politicians think pretending the problem doesn't exist is a winning strategy? That will guarantee the blue wave dies.
We need to realize the system is broken and rigged in favor of the GOP and little Putin. Once we do that, then we can develop a plan to defeat it.
There is little doubt in my mind that votes were changed in targeted counties in PA, MI and WI. I think we already know and new it within weeks of the outcome. But nothing could be done of it because the country would have broken into chaos. Heck, the Russians were not trying to hide what they are doing. They want us to erupt.
Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)The abject humiliation Traitor Trump took in front of little Putin pretty much created an eruption. Now, little Putin is coming to the White House, maybe fly his Russian flag over the place a king once tried to burn down.
Putin, being the very short KGB agent that he is, is about to get most of Congress to grovel, just like he got Traitor Trump to grovel. Watch the eruption then.
We have to recognize the problem before we can fix it. To hell with niceties and angry calls. We have got to win this election to save our democracy.
bucolic_frolic
(43,126 posts)He told us at several points of the campaign, 'I do not lose'.
And he told us elections were rigged, refused to accept the vote count if he lost.
Trump knew. He knew all along.
tanyev
(42,550 posts)A regular Renaissance woman. What's the Russian word for Renaissance?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She made a FB post at 11:45PM on election night. It was basically over at that point. This is a non-story.
Also already discussed here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10902126
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)I watched until 2 am and there were plenty of pundits still denying Traitor Trump won. You and some others may have seen the writing on the wall, and are better at predicting outcomes, but the finish line had not been reached yet.
There was still hope for Hillary at the time of the NRA Russian spy's posting. She was predicting the outcome because she had extra special information.
Also your link merely discuss this issue, it does NOT prove, disprove or debunk anything.
Yellowdog88
(66 posts)As I recall, the writing was on the wall. You do not need network declarations to see the math working against you.
While I believe that there was dis-information and enough voters turned away and inconvenienced, I also want to believe there was actual system hacking too...I don't have enough for that. Republicans in power are not investigating and that's curious but not proof yet for me.
I believe it more likely that she was celebrating confidently than she is a loose thread in a larger scheme. There may (likely) be a larger scheme, but if she was a significant part of it (hacking), it would be careless for her to post.
Two cents.
Farmer-Rick
(10,154 posts)But Russians....especially KGB, Russian mobsters and spies, are arrogant people. Just look at little Putin's smirk. They like to brag.
They like to rub it in, they are Not subtle, and predicting a planned for outcome is the kind of slip they would make.
Besides, to the uninformed it gives them credibility. See how well she evaluated the political reality. She predicted a win when others weren't sure.
Yellowdog88
(66 posts)Scheme.
I really want some material revealed by Mueller that runs so damn deep, it ruins them for a couple generations. But I'm willing to be patient for the blockbuster that is ironclad truth.
Let's hope we get it soon. Don't get me wrong, this might ring true eventually, but it seems too speculative. And I'm employing my own Occam's Razor too.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's no more evidence of vote fraud than Massachusetts being called immediately after the polls closed.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)like they were resigned to losing until votes started coming in.