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Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:02 AM Jul 2018

Dutch Intelligence Service WATCHED LIVE as Russian Hacker Group Cozy Bear Breached DNC Servers

This story broke in January of this year.
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BERLIN — The Dutch domestic intelligence service AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacking group Cozy Bear for at least a year starting in mid-2014, local media outlets reported Thursday. According to the reports, the Dutch government alerted the United States to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after Netherlands-based officials watched the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and other operations by the Russians, including a 2014 State Department hack.

The DNC hack, revealed by The Washington Post in June 2016, was considered a pivotal event in several actions believed to be undertaken by the Russian government to meddle in the U.S. presidential election that year. Two independent research firms later confirmed that the DNC’s network was compromised by Russian government hackers.

The Dutch agency’s involvement was first reported by the current affairs program Nieuwsuur and the newspaper de Volkskrant on Thursday. Reached by The Post on Friday, the domestic spy agency AIVD had no comment. The Dutch military intelligence service, MIVD, did not respond to a request for comment.

According to Dutch media, AIVD agents also watched when Russian hackers launched an attack on the State Department in 2014 and compromised unclassified systems at the White House as well as in Congress. Officials later told The Post that the NSA had been alerted to the hacks by an unnamed Western intelligence agency. The Western ally had previously hacked not only the Russians’ computers but also surveillance cameras inside their offices. The unnamed Western analysts were monitoring the hackers’ maneuvers inside U.S. networks and even collected CCTV footage of those involved.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/26/dutch-media-reveal-country-to-be-secret-u-s-ally-in-war-against-russian-hackers/?utm_term=.70dbbe97f45e

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There is no question that the Russians hacked the DNC. The Dutch hackers watched them do it LIVE using Cozy Bear's own surveillance cameras.

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Botany

(70,447 posts)
3. And Trump knew about the Russian hacking all along and tried to change the subject too.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:14 AM
Jul 2018

Trump “But it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody
sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?”

This was not an attack on Democrats or Hillary Clinton but an attack on America by
members of Russia's military. And Donald Trump went right along with it too. Treason.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
5. Not to blame the victim (us), but...
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:55 AM
Jul 2018

What is up with our internet security? All these techie kids these days can't be harnessed to make our stuff more secure? Are we not funding it as much as Russia? I don't get how a country with a GDP the size of Texas can do this---and how warnings were ignored. This makes me sick. Of course, with Trump and the Repukes on board (shooting down funding for election security, etc.)...aka collusion...nothing will be done

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
6. Priority needs to be given to security in the budget.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jul 2018

I know advertising and other promotional expenses are usually the focus, but if strategic databases are stolen to determine where to focus hacking of voter registration databases, then money spent on everything else is a waste. Campaigns need to hire security experts, not just internet marketers.

lastlib

(23,159 posts)
12. So do state-level election officials!!
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jul 2018

AND county election officials!

ALL voter registration and election-related databases need to be on SECURE servers with strong firewalls!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. Size doesn't matter when the will is strong.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jul 2018

Russia is deeply invested in weakening our country, and it now has a willing assistant in the White House.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
10. The Trump administration has taken no action to establish a group dedicated to the problem.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jul 2018

It would seem that the most logical course of action would be to form a group of highly sophisticated people dedicated to development of the necessary tools to counteract the threat. There is no doubt that we have the talent. The Trump administration has totally failed to take constructive action and direct congress to immediately enact such action. That the situation is dire is an understatement. The most troubling question is why hasn't this corrupt administration taken action? It is not unreasonable that the allegiance of this administration is questionable. Not solely based on this issue, but the entirety of the actions that have been taken and which are clearly damaging the basic welfare of our nation. I think the time is past due for our representatives to ask this administration just which country do you represent?

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
16. Perhaps
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 11:34 AM
Jul 2018

the tech giants, often run by loathsome "libertarians", have an interest in keeping Federal-level security measures low, in order to not "regulate" the internet???

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. Let's see, Snowden showed up in Russia in June 2013, and these Russian hacks started in 2014 . . .
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jul 2018

coincidence I'm sure.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
17. The diversion tactic by tRump of saying "it might have been others " is just
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 12:05 PM
Jul 2018

that — a diversion. If it was Russia, OTHERS or a 400lb guy in the basement, don’t we still need to do something about it? tRump makes it sound like we should just look the other way and ignore it. And that is a direct message to his followers to minimize the seriousness of the matter.

The response should have been that no matter who is attacking us, we need to investigate, expose it and prosecute if we can. Instead tRump is clearly telling them there is nothing to see...move along. Oh, and I did nothing wrong. Trust me.

Uhm, Yea. Like a cowboy trusts a rattlesnake.
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