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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Just what the party needs': Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders woo Kansas progressives
The bright new face of the left joined the Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, a leader of the progressive movement, at rallies in support of two congressional candidates who argue that a leftwing, anti-corporate political message can galvanize Democrats in Republican-held districts crucial to their push to take back the US House of Representatives.
Oh my goodness gracious, said Ocasio-Cortez, taking the stage at a packed hall in Wichita on Friday. And they said [that] what we did in the Bronx, no one would care about it in Kansas.
Less than a month ago, Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old democratic socialist who was working as a bartender less than a year ago, stunned the political establishment when she beat a 10-term incumbent, Joe Crowley, in a district that includes parts of the Bronx and Queens. With general election victory in November all but certain, she is using her star power to spotlight likeminded candidates around the country.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/21/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bernie-sanders-kansas-progressives-democrats
Great quote from the article:
Im so inspired by her - by her passion and her drive, Eaton said. Shes young; shes a woman of color. Shes just what the party needs.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)murielm99
(30,717 posts)the sarcasm thingy.
George II
(67,782 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)Not a good try.
moriah
(8,311 posts)And I was very impressed that Brent and AOC stayed on-message on the stump (didn't hang around on the live feed to watch Bernie). The unfair attack from the PCCC and others in the Twitsphere (so who knows how many are real) claiming Sharice's taking corporate money was in a way de-escalated by Brent specifying it's Yoder whose taking corporate cash. Every PAC that donated to Sharice or bought outside spending ads has also donated to at least one PCCC or Justice Democrats endorsed candidate. Good on Brent.
Also, VERY good on Sharice that her campaign has almost studiously ignored the excitement/controversy surrounding the endorsement/rally -- instead highlighting GOTV and voter engagement activities, and her ability to verbally spank Libertarians who deserve it, her ground organization.
These are the things that make it more likely that the Bernie/AOC endorsement just gets more Democrats interested in winning, and not create lasting divisions that could harm the nominee in November, whoever it is.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Is this quote about Ocasio-Cortez, or the candidate she came to Kansas to campaign against?
Sid
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
JCanete
(5,272 posts)supporter wouldn't support Welder for said reasons, but would instead go for Davids. I don't personally agree with those reasons for supporting Cortez in a vacuum of policy considerations. All things being equal between candidates though, and I would certainly prefer more diversity.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Wouldnt that be great?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)corruption. We clearly disagree.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)You should read the Mueller indictments. Its all there for you to see how folks were used. Lied to and used.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)be assailed by attempts to coopt it and steer it towards less altruistic ends, if it seems like it can be a useful vehicle. It is certainly something that must be guarded against as best as possible, but it is an inevitable nature of the thing.
No though, it is not how you arm republicans against democrats. Trump was exceptional in that he was crazy and a supposed outsider, but republican insiders can't use left-wing talking points against other democrats because they kind of resemble them themselves, except exponentially more-so.
Will GOP and corporate money be spent during democratic primaries to sew discord? Of course. Will we buy into it? Well, again, I will simply refer you to the fact that Sanders supporters came out in solid numbers for Clinton.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)it is how you attack Democrats. We know this from recent history. Twelve more Mueller indictments. Cenk is an ex-Republican. There is big money in ratfucking.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)as dumb and unfair as anybody continuing to label Hillary Clinton as a Goldwater Girl. People's politics can change and evolve. People can grow.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Hillary? Goldwater?? Should I say something random about Sanders teenage years now...??
Anyway, the bottom line is that you have to get elected to make changes, and the GOP understands that, so lets not give them ammo.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)just as out of the zone, which was my point.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Cenk Uyger/Justice Democrats is a Republican (supposedly ex...).
You can see how the Republicans love to tell you how awful Democrats are. You should read the Mueller indictments.
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,190 posts)He got $20,000,000 from venture capitalists and hedge fund managers.
https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/buddy-roemer-firm-invests-4-million-in-young-turks-network-186934
https://www.wsj.com/articles/political-news-outlet-young-turks-raises-20-million-after-viewership-gains-1502186406
femmedem
(8,197 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Justice Democrats is what the issue is. You should read what they are spreading.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)How is that not campaigning against Republicans?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Or the Delaware Senate race?
Or Florida 07?
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Campaigning against Democrats.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)Change the rules so that no incumbent can be challenged?
Surely not
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)is still on the ballot. I guess she doesnt want competition after all. Hmm. Why would that be?? If you can answer that, then youve answered your own question.
George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)it need to be maintained?
George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)see a problem with this?
George II
(67,782 posts)....them campaigning for themselves and/or "against" their Democratic opponents, but many don't like the idea (me included) of people traveling 1000+ miles to campaign ostensibly against Democrats. They're certainly not campaigning for themselves.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)those cases when its a Sanders affiliated candidate? That's not an accusation, its a question.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)That's your framing.
She came to Kansas to campaign for and on behalf of her candidates of choice. That is every citizen's prerogative. That's how democracy works.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)This is the sort of rhetoric that needs to be avoided. It comes off as bashing fellow Democrats, who have simply argued that a win in one district (where turnout was extremely low) does not necessarily translate to winning other districts. Mind you, I don't know anything about this particular race in Kansas, but I know Kansas - as a state - isn't going to go blue anytime soon.
We ain't gonna win, so why bother spending the resources, amiright?
George II
(67,782 posts)...of the voters in the 14th District are in Queens! When it comes to their own boroughs, New Yorkers are very territorial.
Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)And then send out their internet minions to sow divisiveness and dissension.
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theaocp
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theaocp
(4,233 posts)This place drives me fucking nuts.
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theaocp
(4,233 posts)You further don't want to clarify your statements due to how they might appear? Fine with me. Muddy is as muddy does. You're welcome to put your OWN words in your OWN mouth. Bernie didn't do anything of the kind. You wanted "free college"? Sounds like a dismissive thing a conservative would say to discredit what the proposal was, but you don't want to argue, so whatever. Yea, let's stop with the progressive ideas. Conservatives hate that kind of shit. Why fight for it when they'll just cry, right? Feel free to clarify. I'd hate to put words in anyone's mouth.
***I DO like it here and CAN understand nuance. Perfection? Fuck that. I'd prefer you to clarify what you're talking about, but you don't want to argue, so again, whatever. Late.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)H2O Man
(73,513 posts)Timing is everything. At this time, she is absolutely what the Democratic Party needs the most.
RandySF
(58,534 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)You can't really go wrong with any of the Democrats in this race, though Welder is clearly the most progressive policy-wise. Great to see Ocasio-Cortez bringing so much attention to this race (and many others) and progressive policies in general.
It will be great when Davids, Welder, and the other Democratic primary candidates are able to unite behind whoever wins the primary to defeat Yoder, who is awful in every respect.
Cha
(296,893 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Davids and Welder both seem terrific.
Hopefully whoever wins that primary will be able to beat Yoder - what a coup that would be!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Nice to see someone willing to sacrifice their time and energy to strengthen the Democratic field.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)If you want to campaign in Johnson County, it's still more conservative than Queens, bu at least you're in a urban area. Campaigning in Wichita? You're not going to win a race on the basis of progressives.
pnwmom
(108,960 posts)So I don't know what sort of message they think they're sending.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)pnwmom
(108,960 posts)Im so inspired by her - by her passion and her drive, Eaton said. Shes young; shes a woman of color. Shes just what the party needs.
If this -- a young woman of color -- is just what the party needs, it seems a funny way to show it by opposing the progressive, lesbian woman of color who is in that race. And pushing a straight white guy instead.
Here's another reaction:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/18/1781757/-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-has-inspired-me-to-support-Sharice-Davids-for-Congress
You know...I really was inspired by the candidacy and upset win of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I didnt pay much attention to the race because it occurred 2,700 miles away at that was a true surprise ending. But in the aftermath of that upset, like many on this site, I found myself in true admiration of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. She will be an amazing new voice in Congress.
For that reason, when endorsements in KS-03 started coming across my feed, I felt compelled to investigate the Democrats contending for this seat. If it got Ms. OcasioCortez onto a plane in the middle of an election, it must be an important race. And it is. So I looked for a candidate that stands out above the rest. And there is, Sharice Davids.
Ms. Davids is a progressive Democrat who is an alumni of the Obama Administration. She has humble roots, having grown up the daughter of a single mom who was career Army and then U.S. Post Office. She is a member of the Ho-Chunk tribe, and she is an openly LGBTQ woman. And in her spare time she started an organization called Starty Pants with her brother, which seeks to help small business owners who are POC or LGBTQ (how cool is that?)
I find myself inspired by Ms. Davids in much the same way I was inspired by Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I read about both of these smart, dynamic, driven young women and I think about how hard they had to work in order to achieve what they have. And I think about the way that their serving on Congress will inspire the next generation, and make it so that the next woman, or ethnic minority, or LGBTQ individual will have to work a little less hard to achieve the same level of success as a white straight male.
Im typically a very wonkish voter...making decisions based on policies and numbers over emotions. But in 2018, a year where fascism infects our highest office, I am finding myself increasingly drawn to candidates who have a solid story...a background and heritage that has forged them into who they are.
I find myself drawn to candidates who will add diversity to our caucus diversity in generational representation, in ethnicity, in sexuality, and in gender. I am putting really high priority on this, because I truly believe that having a Congress that works for America starts with having a Congress that looks LIKE America.
And so I want Ms. Davids voice to be heard in the United States Congress. We have never had a Native American woman serve. I want to hear about the issues from that perspective, and I want to have someone in government who can speak to those life experiences. But of course, that decision will be up to Kansas voters.
This diary might be misread as being snarky. I know that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed someone else in the race. I dont begrudge her that right. I dont think any less of her because I disagree. But I think that her candidate represents a bunch of platitudes recycled from old campaign literature that have been tossed up onto a website without much thought. (And then there have been some misjudgments that are concerning from a strategy position).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Some are inspired by her because she is a young woman of color. (And some are inspired by Sharice Davids for similar reasons). Others are inspired by her progressive policy proposals (much as how people were/are inspired by Bernie Sanders).
I think with KS-03, she is supporting the candidate in the primary who most aligns with her on the issues.
All of the Democratic primary candidates are terrific, but with respect to Medicare for All, a $15 minimum wage, repealing the Trump tax cuts, etc., Welder is definitely to the left of Davids.
That said, they are both great, and I am sure they would work together to defeat Yoder once the primary is resolved (with support from Ocasio-Cortez, Sanders, and others).