But Bernie is Not a Democrat...

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[kimbutgar]

1. Sorry Bernie until you become a real Democrat your words mean jack shite

I’m still having trouble with your Tad Devine connection with Manafort.

[aikoaiko]

2. jack shite to some; to other Democrats, like me, he is very welcome to comment.

And I find much of what he says to be meaningful.

[kimbutgar]

6. I voted for Bernie in the primary

But I have lost all respect for him. I don’t trust him.

[aikoaiko]

26. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm still good with Bernie.

I still think he is serving the party well. YMMV

[Wwcd]

37. What Party. He hasn't served the Dem Party anything but division

since he joined.
Why did he join the Dem Party again?

When asked why he joined the Democratic Party, Sanders replied, For "Money & Media"

What exactly, about that answer, followed by his non stop campaign against our Democratic policys, our Platform, our constituents, our elected officials in Govt, AND OUR Chosen Dem Candidate in 2016, .. what exactly are we suppose to embrace in Bernie Sanders again?

Not Me, Not Ever.
That feeling in your soul of betrayal, isn't a lie.

We knew who he was the first time he showed the Dem Party.

Never again.

[kimbutgar]

42. +1

You expressed exactly how I feel.

[aikoaiko]

53. He is a role model for every lefty independent out there with gripes about the party but won't join.

Bernie has his criticisms, but yet aligns with the party on almost every major vote. He is a member of the Democratic Party Leadership Team.

We need the moderate and left independents to do the same on election days.

[OilemFirchen]

64. Sounds kinda self-defeating.

A "role model" who wants people to join - people who wouldn't otherwise - but won't do so himself. "Good enough for thee, but not for me."

BTW, tons of "lefty independent(s)" think he's a dick.

[aikoaiko]

68. I'm not sure he pushes people to join the party, and they probably wont

But he is showing them that one can maintain their values and still collaborate and support Democrats without joining the party.

[Wwcd]

81. Swissssh! Long shot from center court, thru the net.

"game o.v.e.r."


This is all I have left for bernie sanders, and this "ffs bernie" statment today just does it.

Sorry Bern, I just gotta do this

[Cha]

272. Why does BS "vote 90% of the time" with a

party he calls the party of "1% and NOT for working people"?

[betsuni]

274. This is my question too!

Why would he pal around with the one percent establishment elites? Doesn't make any sense.

[Cha]

277. I could answer that but

I'd have to redact most of it.

Maybe his ardent fans have an explanation?

[betsuni]

278. 90% siding with elitist establishment corporatist one percent failures!

I think there is no explanation coming.

[Cha]

282. Busted!

[NurseJackie]

283. "I think there is no explanation coming." --- BOOM!

I think there is no explanation coming.

BOOM!

[Adrahil]

325. That doesn't do any good if the constantly tears down the party.

He just feeds the "both parties suck" mantra and we get a bunch of people who vote Green or don't vote at all.

[NurseJackie]

356. That's not how an actual "ally" of the party behaves...

He just feeds the "both parties suck" mantra and we get a bunch of people who vote Green or don't vote at all.

That's not how an actual "ally" of the party behaves. He's harming the Democratic party with his goddamned LIES! It serves no good purpose for anyone to LIE and SMEAR and DENIGRATE the Democratic party.

[NurseJackie]

371. Role model? Oh, please.

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He is a role model for every lefty independent out there with gripes about the party but won't join.

Role model? Oh good lord! GMAFB! (That's not how role-models act.)

We need the moderate and left independents to do the same on election days.

He's not helping. He's not giving them a reason TO join or a reason TO support Democrats. Instead his words only serve to VALIDATE and JUSTIFY the irrational contempt those "lefty" (your word) individuals have for the party.

All I'm saying is that when someone's LIES about the Democratic party become accepted as truth, then those voters do stupid things like vote for Stein.

[JNelson6563]

154. Yes, BernieParty of One

[aikoaiko]

157. Maybe so, but I was referring to the Democratic party.

He's serving us well.

[trueblue2007]

95. I don't either.

[Trumpocalypse]

61. So you support his attacks on real Democrats?

[aikoaiko]

69. I like most of what Bernie says, but not everything.

I think some of his criticisms have merit and/or resonate with folks we need.

[Trumpocalypse]

77. So that is a yes

You are supporting a non-Democrat's attacking real Democrats.

[aikoaiko]

86. Again, depending on what you're talking about, it might not be an attack in my eyes.

I find that some people are very sensitive and call the most minor criticism an attack.

[Trumpocalypse]

102. Might not be an attack in your eyes?

Might just be facts for some and alternate facts for others.

[aikoaiko]

133. I think reasonable people can disagree on what is an attack and what is criticism

YMMV.

[Trumpocalypse]

142. Think some are trying to have it both ways

and are supporting attacks on real Democrats.

[bettyellen]

132. It's clearly his comment about Dems being for "the 1%" that is an attack.

How could you not see that?

[aikoaiko]

138. I agree with the sentiment behind his tweet, mostly.

We should be more open and welcoming.
We should work harder for the working class.
We shouldn't suck up to the 1%

But I get your point we do work for the working class (even if we could do better) and we don't only work for the 1% (even if we sometimes side with the rich).

Bernie could have said it in a more friendly, pro-party way, but that doesn't bother me. I think Bernie is helping people vote for the party candidates, but showing you can have criticisms and still vote for Democrats.

[bettyellen]

147. I think denying we work for the working class is bullshit, as is the accusation that

We just work for the 1%. It’s not like he doesn’t know better. I have no idea why he’s doing it, but it appears that he’s comfortable suppressing the vote for mainstream Dems if they don’t buy into his narrow agaenda 100%. Like 12 vs 15$ minimum wage? And look where we are now. Further away from that than ever.

[Cha]

230. We Are The Working Class

Link to tweet

[Cha]

231. Also, looks like percentage turnout has gradually increased.

Link to tweet

[xajj4791]

101. Sorry but...

there are no "real" democrats just as there are no "fake" democrats. A political party in America is something with which you affiliate yourself. Some "democrats" have voted Democrat on every election since they were eligible but have never done more than that for the party. That does not lessen the quality of their affiliation.

A large segment of Americans consider themselves independent even though they always vote Democrat and always will. The question we should be asking is why would they not just consider themselves Democrats? Or better yet, why should they? The only reason they should is if running in our 2 party system for high office, because no independent candidate stands a chance to win.

[Trumpocalypse]

103. Members of the Democratic Party are real Democrats

Someone who is not a member of the Democratic Party is not. A simple fact that no amount of spinners can change.

[xajj4791]

118. Actually,

that is not true necessarily. You can complain about spinning, but most Americans do not see a reason to actually join a political party. A lot of them check the box that says register as a Democrat or Republican, but it goes no further than that. Checking that box does nothing except put you on the rolls so the Democrats and Republicans can count your vote as theirs with no effort. Some people do not like that and choose to not check that box but guess what? It does not mean they are any less a Democrat.

[Trumpocalypse]

141. No those who join the Democratic party

are real Democrats. Those who don't, even if they mostly vote for Democrats, are not real Democrats. Spin and BS all you want but that is just a simple fact.

[xajj4791]

144. The only one spinning anything

are those who insist other are not "real".

[Trumpocalypse]

145. If they are not registered members of the Democratic party

they are not real Democrats. Simple truth.

[xajj4791]

146. Not really. NT.

[Trumpocalypse]

149. Yes really

[dragonlady]

148. We don't have party registration in Wisconsin, rather we have open primaries

I estimate that of self-identified Democrats, the ones who actually pay dues and get a membership card are about 2% of the total. So who is a real Democrat?

[Trumpocalypse]

150. The 2% of course

[dragonlady]

151. Good luck beating Scott Walker this fall with only the 2% n/t

[Trumpocalypse]

155. By that logic

Tammy Baldwin wouldn’t be in the Senate. But she is a real Democrat, not a self proclaimed independent who spends as much time attacking real Democrats as attacking Republicans. So let’s quit the intellectual dishonesty.

[xajj4791]

164. Yours is the only one

here being dishonest.

But then again, you are also the one saying that the Democratic party is already greatly inclusive....of only the 2% that pay dues and get a membership card! Everyone else is just what? Wannabes?

This is why there are independents voting Democrat and why so many are ready to believe all the things BS is saying against the party.

I have heard rhetoric like this before and no doubt will again. How many elections do you intend to win with just "real" Democrats voting?

[Trumpocalypse]

183. More spinning

As I said. Tammy Baldwin is a real Democrat. Cory Booker is a real Democrat. Chuck Schumer is a real Democrat. As is Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and many others. All or doing is making up excuses to defend a self proclaimed independent who attacks real Democrats.

[xajj4791]

191. and all you are doing is

crying about his complaints and trying to be elitist as an excuse not to consider what he says as valid.

[Trumpocalypse]

192. It's not valid

It is a BS attack on real Democrats. So you are supporting an non-democrat lying about real Democrats to attack and demonize them.

[Cha]

269. NO, I'm sorry.. That's Going to BE BOOMERANGED

right Backatcha!

"Yours is the only one here being dishonest"

BS is WRONG to spout this disingenuous crap "The Dem Party is the party of 1% and Not of the Working People"

I keep hearing on here that BS is a dem 'cause he "votes with the Dems 90% of the time".. so Why does BS Vote with a party 90% of the time that is.. according to the genius.. the party of "1% and NOT of working people"? Riddle me that CATCH22?

[BlueWI]

260. Sanders and Baldwin have recently campaigned together.

Worth keeping in mind as we talk about the need for alliances across perceived differences.

[Trumpocalypse]

262. That's great

But it doesn’t excuse Sanders from lying about Dems.

[BlueWI]

291. I don't know.

One can have a productive discussion about the extent to which the Democratic party, as a national organization, has assisted or hindered progress on issues of concern to working class people in recent years. In fact, this would be a useful discussion if it were conducted with fewer fireworks and histrionics. Reviewing policies and outreach on this issue may be a key to expanding the Democratic base so that a loss in 3 purple states does not tank the Democratic Presidential ticket as in 2016.

Reasonable people disagree about such topics. So be it.

[Trumpocalypse]

296. But Sanders was not having a reasonable discussion

He was making an attacki based on a lie. So you are supporting Sanders lie?

[BlueWI]

315. I don't know.

What Sanders said is not significant enough to warrant the obsessive focus on it.

It's easy enough to agree to disagree about Sanders and his statement and move on. I do this frequently in online and in person political discussions. DU seems to struggle with this, and it makes us all less effective as advocates for Democratic policies. And that's unfortunate.

[Trumpocalypse]

319. So you're supporting Sanders lie.

So please quit the double talk.

[betsuni]

297. Reasonable people do not disagree about facts.

[BlueWI]

314. True.

However, we're discussing reactions to a statement, not facts. We could actually have a productive discussion about recent and future Democratic policies and the degree to which working class people benefit. The question of whether Democrats are the party of the 1 percent is arguable, although I wouldn't put it that way. Some policies supported by Democrats have benefited the 1 percent, wouldn't you agree? Reagan tax cuts, various defense expenditures, quantitative easing, etc. Other policies have benefited working people, and on balance, I support Democrats. Thus, I am posting on a Democratic board, volunteer for Democrats, vote for Democrats, etc.

At the same time, I can see why some are critical of Sanders' statement. But the level of vitriol and meltdown over it is way over the top in my opinion - ill-timed and divisive venting, with no real analysis and lots of drive by one liners like yours. This does nothing to address a clear and present threat to democracy in the White House or to prepare for a critically important midterm election. I need to spend less time here myself because we have a chance to turn Wisconsin blue again.

[Trumpocalypse]

320. No you're trying to distract from Sanders statement

with a lot of double talk

[BlueWI]

329. Nope. Wrong.

If you feel it's productive to parse Sanders' statement repeatedly, print it on a T-shirt, or create a billboard, have at it. I have my doubts that the pearl-clutching over one line in a Sanders speech is going to change anyone's mind or win Democrats any seats anywhere.

Perhaps you think differently. So be it. Later.

[betsuni]

335. Are you under the impression his statement is an unusual "one line in a Sanders speech"?

2017: "Over the last 30 or 40 years the Democratic Party has transformed itself from a party of the working class ... to a party significantly controlled by a liberal elite which has moved very far away from the needs of .... working families in this country."

After the 2016 election: "It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I come from."

2018: "The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure."

That's from a quick Google. There is much more. This is what people are talking about.

[BlueWI]

347. On DU, these quotations are presented frequently.

The protracted attention paid to every Bernie Sanders utterance is sure to circulate, repost, and analyze any quotation of Sanders that is critical of the Democratic party. There's no way I could miss this even if I tried.

As I mentioned earlier, I can understand why Bernie's recent statement is concerning to some who feel that message discipline in the way Democrats are perceived is a key to electoral wins. I don't see these critiques in the same way, because I definitely think that nationally, there are certainly ways that Democrats can contribute more to mainstreet economies. This includes policies referenced in Sanders' critique of the banking system (too big to fail is too big to exist), of Wall Street and college access, where a penny tax has been proposed on Wall Street trading to fund expanded college access, on reducing the influence of money in politics through small donations and non-corporate contributions, as other Democrats including Kamala Harris are now adopting for their campaigns, and infrastructure spending, to name a few areas. There is a lot to discuss here, important points about how economic policies can be promoted that lead to sustained growth in Main Street economics, but these DU discussions never go beyond the kerfuffle over one liners from his speeches.

Bernie is Bernie. He's not a Democrat, although he has close relationships with Democratic senators and many voters. The conversation about him on DU lately is very superficial, with very little policy analysis or appreciation of the need to expand the party's base and win. That's why I am not down with the pattern on this site of piling on with individual statements. I think we're all intelligent enough to reason for ourselves, and we ought to respect one another enough to make our observations and move on. That way, we can inform each other, stay courteous, and go on to act locally and win elections.

[Trumpocalypse]

341. Yes Right

You’re supporting Sanders lie.

[BlueWI]

348. Another drive by one-liner?

Pump up that post count if you like. I prefer substance and winning elections.

Later.

[Trumpocalypse]

361. And prefer the truth

Not defending a lie with double talk

[betsuni]

324. No, we're discussing a statement.

The fact is that Sanders called the Democratic Party the party of the one percent, not the working class. This statement is incorrect. The talking point that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are the same or pointing to a few conservative Democrats and pretending they are representative of the party as a whole, is meant to convince people not to vote or vote third party.

[BlueWI]

328. The DNC appointed Sanders to a key slot.

Two of my family members attended a rally two weeks ago featuring Sanders and Tammy Baldwin.

If Sanders is a threat to Democratic turnout, why would Democratic politicians campaign with him or appoint him to a prominent position? I know that personally, the last thing I want is lower Democratic turnout in Wisconsin when there is a chance to vote Scott Walker out of office. I also don't think Senator Baldwin wants lower turnout in an election year.

There are clearly some Democrats who feel that the presence of Sanders helps them as they get set for the fall elections. All the same, I understand that others feel differently. I just don't think the statement warrants the level of meltdown that we're seeing on DU.

[betsuni]

336. Yes, they want unity.

All Bernie has to do is stop making untrue statements about Democrats, at the very least until after midterms. For a professional politician with decades of experience, the establishment, this shouldn't be too much to ask.

[Cha]

268. Oh, so BS is campaigning with a member of the Dem

Party that he calls the "party of the 1% and NOT Working people"?

What's he playing at with his disingenuous message about the Democratic Party, anyway?

[BlueWI]

290. Just stating facts.

2016 wasn't exactly a watershed year for Democrats in Wisconsin or nationally. Baldwin must think Sanders can help Democrats win in Wisconsin. Do you have a better explanation?

[Cha]

292. BS is NOT "stating facts" According to DU "BS votes

with the DEM party 90% of the time".. So he's calling himself a "1% and Not for the Working party".

[BlueWI]

293. I have seen this point made repeatedly.

Maybe Tammy Baldwin should hear it, since she was very willing to campaign with Sanders. Most of us on DU have heard it enough to reach our own conclusions.

Charge on.

[Cha]

294. Maybe BS should not accuse the Dem party of being the

"party of the 1% and NOT of the Working Party" since he Votes with them "90% of the time".

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[PassingFair]

222. So Joe Lieberman was a "real democrat"? Nt

[Trumpocalypse]

229. Not in his last term

But nice gotcha question.

[Cha]

267. You're WRONG, xajj! Real Dem here!

the Majority

[louis c]

201. So do the Russians (via Tad Devine)

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[trueblue2007]

94. He needs to STOP CRITISING DEMOCTRATS. I am sick of his harsh words.

Just stop it Bernie. I can't take him anymore. His comments make me depressed.

[xajj4791]

165. But...

are his comments valid? Does he have a point? My 4 year old does not like getting criticized either, but when I tell her she is being greedy or whatever, it is something she needs to hear and must understand to grow into a decent human being.

If BS is criticizing you, make sure it is not founded before you start complaining about it.

[trueblue2007]

175. bernie critised DEMOCRATS !!! Our community here and he expects our votes

He isn't even a Dem
I don't support someone who stabs me in the back. He stabs our BLUE women and men and then wants us to vote to him? That is why i get upset.

[xajj4791]

190. But we are not beyond reproach

There are things we need to do better and there are ways to grow. HE is pointing out the ones he sees and it is our responsibility to either accept it and grow from it or refute it. No one on here is refuting it, they are just crying about it.

[dawg day]

177. But he's wrong

The Democratic party isn't constantly cutting taxes on the rich, threatening social security and medicaid. Precisely the opposite, as Sanders knows.
He's doing that annoying contrarian thing that some people think makes them cooler or something.

I wonder how much of his antipathy to the party has to do with his secret sense that he should have helped more against Trump (no, entertaining for days the notion of debating him as if BERNIE were the Dem candidate was not helpful).

He can say that about the party being for the 1%, but it's not really true. So why does he say it? There certainly are criticisms you can make of the party, and we do it all the time. But that's not one of them. It's like Trump does-- displacement. "I'll criticize the Dems for what the GOP actually does! That'll make me seem really tough."

I'm really tired of him, not that it matters. <G> But he's been saying the same negative thing for about as long as he's caucused with the Democrats. Maybe he should start his own party which could be completely in his image.

[xajj4791]

189. Actually...

He is referring to the habit of Republican presidents/Congress to run up the deficit, then once a Democrat is elected President or is in control of Congress, the Republicans start calling for fiscal responsibility. This ends with the Democrats having to tighten their budgets with cuts to social welfare programs, not because they want to, but because they are trying to balance the budget and reduce the deficit.

How many Democrats have voted for tax cuts to the 1%? If your answer is not 0 then you cannot count that one either.

Everyone on here keeps saying how Bernie is not a Democrat but in reality he is a Democrat simply because he chose to run as Democrat and was accepted by the DNC. The elitism here is rampant about who real Democrats are but in the end, those who vote Democrat make up the ranks of Democrats including those who run as Democrats.

His goals, most likely, are to continue pushing the Democrats to the left and to have them accept his plans for social programs and taxation as ideals to push for rather than letting the Republicans sharp shoot them with their hypocritical hawkish ways when they are not in control.

[bettyellen]

235. Yeah well he didn't say that- he said what he said. Jeeze. The contortions people go through to

Claim it was something else.... it’s truly astounding. But it’s the new norm, I guess. No accountability.

[betsuni]

249. "but this site is apparently for fanbois of the 'democratic party'"

Um, yes, this site is for supporters of the Democratic Party. Duh.

[bettyellen]

252. Wow been getting alert stalked over expecting support for the Dem party lately-

That’s kinda amazing.

[betsuni]

253. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

They can't beat us, though! Thank you for fighting for what is right, bettyellen.

[bettyellen]

255. Thank you for the same, B!

[Cha]

270. NO BS' comments were NOT valid NO he DOESN"T

have a fucking point.

Stop comparing your 4 year old to anything to do with BS attacking the DEM Party.

I read on here that BS votes with the Dems 90% of the time so he's to be considered a dem.. well, genius.. why does he vote with a party 90% of the time if they're the party of 1% and NOT working people?

Again.. riddle me that!

[JCanete]

99. such a weird ass qualifier for words to mean anything. I have a lot of texts to go and throw away

now. nt

[blue cat]

110. Thank you n/t

[leftofcool]

184. I agree. Some of Bernie's company is too deep in Russia shit for me

[Cha]

271. I don't care if he's a Dem or not.. in fact I prefer

he's not.

His words still have no meaning. It's said on DU that he votes with Dems 90% of the time.. So why does he vote with the party 90% of the time if they are the party of "1% and NOT working people"?

[Me.]

3. Presumptious

[Cha]

200. HaHa, BS.. Poll: Conor Lamb leads Keith Rothfus big, Dem enthusiasm high in key Pa. congressional..

Race.

Link to tweet

A new poll of one of Pennsylvania’s most critical congressional races shows Democrat Conor Lamb with a large lead over Republican Keith Rothfus, and reflects several trends that could weigh heavily in similar contests outside Philadelphia.

In a Republican-leaning swing district just outside Pittsburgh, Lamb has a 51 percent to 39 percent lead among potential voters — those who have participated in an election since 2010 or are newly registered to vote, according to the survey from the Monmouth University Polling Institute. His lead is even larger in a model that predicts a Democratic turnout surge.

Me

[Me.]

213. You Always Have Such Good Posts

Thank you

[Cha]

217. Thank You, Me!

[Phoenix61]

4. One of few comments on Bernie but...

he needs to shut up and stop telling us what we need to do. Since when have we ever represented the 1%.

[Wwcd]

54. The claim that "bernie votes with the Dems 90% of the time"!!

becomes a contradiction to his relentless demonization of the Party.

Which is it?
He's either with us in Senate votes or He's adamently opposed to the basic tenets of our Dem Party when he has the attention of the Media.
He doesn't get to be both.

And I won't even touch on OR, Nina Turner or Tad DeVine's close ties with Manafort & His years long trail to the Kremlin.

Considering all these facts, now tell me again why Bernie sanders should hold such sway within our Democratic Party?

Convince me.
Because after almost 3 years of bernie sanders, its going to be a near impossible task .
The reasons to be cautious of Sanders keeps growing the longer time goes on.

No thanks.
I'll stick close by my Party of human rights & all people, places & locations on this great Earth, ..the plain old Democratic Party.

[Cha]

199. Yeah, why the fuck would "BS be voting with Dems

90% of the time if we're the party of the 1% and not for workers".

#FUCKING BASTA!

[Wwcd]

240. Appears to be the Million $$$ question Cha, right?

I hear only chirping....

Cha.

[Cha]

241. And, one that should be asked of every single

one of his fans that are saying.. "but, he's dem.. he votes with them 90% of the time"..

Thank You for replying to this, Wwcd.. there's is so much drivel to push back on.. I had forgotten about this catch22 that uponit so brilliantly pointed out!

[Cha]

221. BS is pissing a lot of people off on Twitter..

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Wwcd

[NightWatcher]

5. Right now he's pissing on our tent from the outside.

If he'd like to join the party and work to improve from the inside, we can talk.

I'd also like to know the extent of Tad Levine's connections to Manafort.

[comradebillyboy]

11. He's not capable of productivly working with others

which is why he has so little to show for his 30 years in office.

[brooklynite]

32. Better to be outside pissing in...

...than to be inside pissing in...

[dlk]

7. How Arrogant is it to Give Condescending Advice to a Party One is Unwilling to Join?

[Paladin]

23. +1000. Until Bernie joins us, I'll feel free to ignore his criticism. (nt)

[Me.]

57. Worse

Claiming ownership of a part of the party he doesn't belong to nor want to join.

[Docreed2003]

139. Exactly this!

[Cha]

75. Yeah, he throws his cheap pot shots at our

Democratic Party at this crucial time in history.. the repubs and the M$$$$M just eat that up.

I don't care that he's NOT a dem though.. he's always done this.. I'm glad he's NOT.

[underthematrix]

8. Here's the thing. Recognize who Bernie is and then just keep it moving.

Our goal is to win BOTH chambers. This is critical. I don't care what SHADE of Democrat wins as long as it's a DEMOCRAT.

Link to tweet

[JI7]

10. so why didn't his gen vote for Feingold

and I'm pretty sure most don't know what dodd frank is

[comradebillyboy]

13. His gen can't be bothered to vote. Boomers always vote.

[tonyt53]

21. Same thing I keep saying.

[stonecutter357]

9. lol Sanders' has no wing of the Democratic Party .......

The Democratic Party must. No we don't .

[jalan48]

12. Bernie's my kinda of Democrat. I hope to see more like him elected.

[NCTraveler]

16. You like it when they come with a long list of accomplishments.

[jalan48]

28. Less Corpo more people friendly works for me.

[NCTraveler]

30. Friendly is nice.

I hear that with political careers spanning decades often build strong legislative coalitions and move serious legislation by being people friendly.

Great that he plans on doing this at some point.

[jalan48]

36. I agree. We can't win without coalitions.

[NCTraveler]

46. That's awesome.

Blocking a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people for economic reasons is exactly what you outline. You just call it "Less Corpo more people friendly".

The real word for it is populism and it's anything but people friendly.

[jalan48]

50. I was unaware Bernie and others like him support such a policy.

[NCTraveler]

59. His vote is on the record.

He stood with Republicans to block a pathway to citizenship. He did so because of Visa's. Republicans then won the visa battle a short time later and over ten million people were left behind. He took the side of the isle with Republicans and fought against Obama, Boxer, Biden, and the rest of the Democrats.

Outside of his supporters most Democrat are fully aware of how close we were to securing a pathway to citizenship. Just a couple of votes. His "leadership" would have made the difference. His populism sent him to the dark side.

Populism isn't pretty.

Or as you call it, "Less Corpo more people friendly."

[ehrnst]

120. +1000. (nt)

[awesomerwb1]

60. You haven't seen his tax returns so

how do you know he's no"corpo"? Talk is just talk.

[jalan48]

66. Yes, he may be a secret corpo double agent sent to confuse the voters into voting against the

interests of corporations.

[awesomerwb1]

70. Haha You really think he's just another poor guy?

He's probably a multi-millionaire...but he's not the 1%, he's just another poor guy. Ok then.

[jalan48]

80. And that makes his message invalid?

[Cha]

198. What makes it "invalid" is it's Not true.

[Cha]

96. They Don't Care.

[Snotcicles]

20. +1.nt

[Cha]

39. I'm sure it's ok with you that BS is sendng a message

like this to denigrate the Democratic Party when We've been Winning and trying to take back the House at this crucial time in History.

There are all kinds of Dems across the Country Fighting to TAKE the HOUSE BACK with what works in their District.. think Conor Lamb and incumbent Eliot Engel in NY District 16..

For Democrats Challenging Party Incumbents, Insurgency Has Its Limits

snip//

Nancy Pelosi, the minority leader of the House of Representatives, recently made an appearance with Mr. Engel in his district and praised him profusely. “We couldn’t be better served than by Eliot Engel,” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/nyregion/congress-primaries-democrats-midterm-ny.html

"it’s the establishment wing of the Democratic Party that is having a good 2018. And, more important, it’s having a good year in the places that matter most this November."



"What about those other 19 primaries, where the establishment Democrat won? There are a lot more congressional battlegrounds in that group, 11 in total, including 5 true tossups."

snip// from your link..

But the stories this week about the surprising power of the left side of the party may have overstated the case a bit.

Going by the numbers, it’s the establishment wing of the Democratic Party that is having a good 2018. And, more important, it’s having a good year in the places that matter most this November.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/bernie-sanders-backed-nominees-score-wins-longshot-races-n888071

[jalan48]

43. "There all kinds of Dems".. Exactly. And Bernie type Dems have just as much right to run and

critique the Party as anyone else.

[Cha]

71. You're missing The POINT.. it's BS' Message that is trying

to dampen anyone Who he doesn't approve of.. so NO it's not All kinds of Dems with his message.. throwing that buzz word 1% in there.

He knows damn well the Democratic Party represents all kinds of People.. look at the 2016 Election where Hillary got 3 Million More Votes than the Fraud.. even with the Russians Hi Jacking our Election.

[jalan48]

79. Actually, I'm not missing anything. There are millions of Democrats who agree with Bernie's

economic message. Pointing out the shortcomings of our current economic setup offends very few of the 99% but does concern many of the 1%.

[Cha]

82. Actually you ARE MISSING THE POINT. BS: "1%".

[jalan48]

87. Well, time will tell won't it? My money is on the message of Sanders and others like him. The

current economic set-up is not sustainable no matter how many Disney movies we get to watch.

[Cha]

91. You're still Missing The POINT.

[jalan48]

105. No, seriously, I get it. Change isn't always easy.

[Cha]

106. You don't get It. You're Missing the POINT.

[jalan48]

111. Yes i do!

[Cha]

113. You don't get it. You're still Missing the POINT.

[xajj4791]

114. Regardless of your skillz

posting the same reply 3 times without making a point....

Bernie Sanders had a lot to say and millions agreed with him. The emails showing the establishment attempts to get HRC elected over BS made the situation worse and those millions agreeing with BS see it as an impossibility to get real change with even the Democrat establishment doing the same thing that the Republican one is.

what points of Bernies about the Democrats do you refute?

[Cha]

116. I'll say as much as that poster who keeps missing the point

disagrees.

BS is sending a disingenuous message about our Democratic Party at the time of our most crucial anti-Fascist Election in history.

[Wwcd]

128. Exactly Cha.

BS is sending a disingenuous message about our Democratic Party at the time of our most crucial anti-Fascist Election in history.

He should go clean uo the infighting within his own organization he created .

Start there, before he makes the same mess of our Party..

[Cha]

158. And, BS knows exactly what he's doing. WE BETTER

TAKE BACK the HOUSE across the country in Spite of BS.

[pbmus]

44. This.....

[Wwcd]

89. Cha!

[Cha]

92. Oh, Wwcd! Can you believe

this crap!? Why Yes We Can!

[Wwcd]

108. He's getting worse about the Dems. Its almost as tho he's scared of something &

has to pound home the anti-dem message before its too late.

Its rather concerning actually.
I really don't know what to make of this statement today. Hope he's ok.

Hmm.

[Cha]

115. That's it.. he's pounding an anti-Dem messgage

before our most Critical anti-Fascist election in History. And, we're Fighting BACK. Big Shock to his fans.

[Wwcd]

122. Maybe the trouble happening with Nina & OR is an underlying part of this.

Here:
From May 2018

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrats-2018-599331

[Cha]

124. I dunno know..

I think it's to help only the candidates he supports and not those others like..

Link to tweet

It's kinda obvious from his tweet pic.

[Wwcd]

134. I believe you called it correctly . Makes me sick that he'd sideline a candidate with

David's creds .

White guy who's never lived a day of his life in the shoes of any minority.

This doesn't come from a place of progressive nor Dem.
It comes from the good old boys club of America.

He's actually emphasizing why he has such a poor track record with women voters.

This right here.

You called it correctly.

I hope the House seat has her name on it.

Sharice Davids is genuine and policy & procedure smart.

[sprinkleeninow]

153. I just reprimanded my stylus for opening up this thread about 'this guy' again.

I had some tolerance previously, but now Ima fresh out.

Listening to justifications of him. 😏

Hiya, Cha!

💙🇺🇸🌊

[Cha]

197. Aloha, sprinkleen!

I totally missed this post of yours.. I just happened to see your post and was going to read it and see it's addressed to me. lol

Your "stylist"?

💙🇺🇸🌊 I like your little phone icons

[sprinkleeninow]

214. Aloha back!

Stylus--the thingy with a rubbery squishy end almost like an eraser that hits the keyboard, etc. so my gloppy hit and miss fingers don't hit wrong keys or other stuff.

I got one with a pen and light on it. My husband supplies me. One thing he's good for. 😄

I put NPR on all day for our dogga daughter. 'Slobberman' was just blabbing about what transpired with the EU guy today. His voice sets your teeth on edge and you want to rend your clothes and pull your hair out. 😨

Someone mentioned how I could get emojicons to show up in my subject lines. I said I got divine favor. 😆

Appreciative of all your posts. 😍

💙🇺🇸🌊

[Uncle Joe]

127. + everything

[SammyWinstonJack]

193. +1000000!

[KPN]

203. Me too.

[gtar100]

14. Where has he been? The Democratic Party has been and remains the party of the working class.

Yes some representatives can be considered "corporate" but that's because we already have open doors. What happened to Bernie that he keeps denigrating his closest allies? We have to beat the republicans, not other Dems. That's what the primaries were for and those have already passed, no? Republicans are so destitute of ideas with integrity they have to lie, cheat, steal and deceive just to paint over their ugliness. Wish Bernie would focus on that and stop trying to "fix" the Democratic party that happens to be on the side of the aisle that is *not* throwing the country under the bus like the republicans.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

93. I know it's like saying the Republicans and Democrats are equal

Independents do that all the time, but their go it alone strategy is ineffective and they'd help more if they actually joined the Democrats.

[NCTraveler]

15. What a stupid fucking message.

This is about one thing.

This one line of his, and the following email he will send out, will separate LIV's from millions of dollars.

It's not about progress. It's not about building a stronger party. It's not about governance. It's about the all mighty dollar.

[OilemFirchen]

17. Okay, let's make this real simple.

You want the Democratic Party to "open its doors" and "bring new people in", yet you, yourself refuse to join?

Fuck off.

[tonyt53]

19. Perfect!

[Paladin]

25. +1000. My sentiments exactly. (nt)

[OilemFirchen]

31. He's tipped his hand, actually.

He wants the Democratic Party to welcome "working people" as opposed to the "1%".

By his own refusal to join - doubtless because he finds the accommodations beneath his standards - he has told us to which group he belongs. That's the worst-kept secret in politics, anyway, but it's nice to know he's aware of his elite stature.

[Paladin]

76. Well put. (nt)

[awesomerwb1]

62. Exactly.

Amazing how the bernie bros can't see this.

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[Squinch]

72. .

[Cha]

78. BS just has to throw his little BUZZ word in there

to put a cherry on top.. "1%" .. is he talking about Soros?

[NurseJackie]

84. I have to chuckle at all the hand-wringing and whining when LOYAL Democrats defend our party...

I have to chuckle at all the hand-wringing and whining when LOYAL Democrats defend our party from these types of attacks and smears. When we point out that it's untrue and that it serves no good purpose, the typical response we hear is "quit picking on Bernieeeee, leave Bernie aloneeeeee!"

All I'm saying is that DEFENDING the Democratic party against lies and smears is NOT "attacking Bernie".

[Cha]

90. If BS' wouldn't come out and toss

his "1%" buzz words like this at this Critical Point in Histroy.. we would LEAVE him the hell ALONE.

It works both ways.

They don't understand that BS starts it with his attacks.. like he should be free to say whatever he wants and we as the Democratic Party should roll over and ask for more.

NO. Jackie!

[NurseJackie]

131. His words are divisive and cause distrust. That WEAKENS the party!

They don't understand that BS starts it with his attacks.

His words are divisive and cause distrust. That WEAKENS the party! It serves NO good purpose for him to say things like that. He's not helping. He's hurting.

He's hurting the party and he's hurting his own credibility. I really can't trust someone who tells blatant lies about the Democratic party... who says that Democrats are not the party of the working class... who says that Democrats are the party of the one-percent.

All I'm saying is that these things are demonstrably false. We KNOW who it hurts (Democrats and the Democratic Party) ... the big question that I'd like to have answered is: WHO DOES IT HELP? Who benefits from talk like this?

[Nanjeanne]

45. Seriously? You really believe that Sanders wants Democrats to keep losing. Cause the reason they

have lost so many seats in the house, senate, governorships, state legislatures - is all because of Bernie and he's just been cheering all those losses. Good grief.

You may have policy issues with Sanders - perhaps you don't favor Medicare4All or $15/Hour or debt free college or taxing the rich. That's fine. Big tent Democrats and all. But to honestly believe that he would prefer the Democrats keep losing is borderline insane. He thinks Democrats could win using a different strategy than they have and given the many losses - he may be right. Given the Democratic leadership asked him to Chair outreach and to reach out to grassroots organizations as a way to bring more people to the voting booth - it makes sense. At absolutely no time does he want Democrats to lose elections. He wants them to win and he is trying to bring in people to help them do that. He prefers Democrats that align with his message (as do I) - but he-and I-support Democrats winning.

We just haven't done a very good job of it. And yes, I know all about the popular vote. And I do wish we didn't have the Electoral College. But until we get rid of that -- it's the only way to be elected President - so there is that to deal with.

Other than some who simply hate Sanders with such a passion that they wish he would "eat shit and die" - most Democrats will not be turned off from voting for Democrats.

[tonyt53]

56. Obviously, you think what Sanders is doing is just fine. You'll never change your mind.

Medicare for all, debt free college? Sure, as long as there is way to pay for it. If you just say "we'll tax the wealthy", then you have no plan, and neither does Sanders. He is talking to his base. You do realize that many people (male and Female) are choosing a career path that includes a free education, don't you? It is a union building trades apprenticeship. No education debt and making at least $80K in five years.

I think Sanders wants to control the Democratic Party. What a perfect way to keep lifelong middle class white Democrats at home instead of voting. That is what happened in 2016. That is the bloc that didn't vote. Sanders vision is that if a Democrat doesn't follow his thinking, then they have to go. Seriously.

[Nanjeanne]

135. I don't think anyone is perfect or the devil in the Democratic Party (and I consider Bernie an Indep

who is closely aligned with Democratic platform.

Not sure how you know so much about me from a message board that you can state something as dumb as "You'll never change your mind". I'm much more flexible. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and I voted for Hillary in the general. I have never voted for a Republican but I always choose the most progressive first. If I lived in Machin's district - I'd hold my nose to vote. But I would do whatever I could to find an alternative before I got to that place where I had to vote for him.

Sanders didn't keep people from voting in 2016. Lifelong middle class white Democrats (like myself) came out and voted. I'm not sure where your statistics are coming from. Many of Sanders younger supporters and people who were not your core Democratic constituency who weren't always voters didn't, it's true. Not because of Sanders however.

Your world is your reality But your anger is not going to help Democrats get elected - I hate to tell you but there are many many young people coming into the voting block - it's their future on the line. You need them. Yes seriously.

[tonyt53]

171. Actually, I have nothing to lose with trump as president. Wife and I have done well financially.

We are both retired. I'm an American though, and want what is best for this country. Voting third party, and yes, just enough pissed off Sanders supporters voted third party to elect trump in MI, and likely at least one more state. Finally, I have no anger. I am disgusted though when people, such as yourself, try to deflect away from the damage Sanders has done and continues to try to do to the Democratic Party.

[Nanjeanne]

172. Oh well I don't want to disgust you. Please block me.

[Cha]

194. Mahalo, tony! I hear ya.. and you're are absolutely

right. We can see.. we don't need his fans to tell us we can't .

Here's a tweet from David Hogg who takes elections seriously and I don't think he's going around denigrating our Democratic Party. He wants us to VOTE!

Link to tweet

[SkyDancer]

298. A few things on what you said

Medicare for all, debt free college? Sure, as long as there is way to pay for it. If you just say "we'll tax the wealthy", then you have no plan, and neither does Sanders. He is talking to his base. You do realize that many people (male and Female) are choosing a career path that includes a free education, don't you? It is a union building trades apprenticeship. No education debt and making at least $80K in five years.

There is a way to pay for it, you stop bloating the biggest sucker of them all; the military budget. Single payer and tuition free college will be huge issues in 2020, 2 of the largest. For many that is the litmus test on who they will vote for, it's that big an issue. In the article which was posted, this is said;

"Single-payer, government-run health care may be a popular party plank in New York City, where Ocascio-Cortez, a Democratic Socialist, recently won a high-profile primary, Danielson said, but added, "it does not work in the rest of America ... and I’m tired of losing."

I disagree with that statement considering a majority of American's want single payer health care and it's one issue which is rising higher. Even Republican supporters are now starting to come around to it, something I thought would never happen.

Trade schools are good but the problem is they've never taken hold in the United States like they have in say Europe. This is something which needs to change for sure but again, education should be free and I see it as a human right. If other countries can do it so can we. It's time for the United States to stop falling behind the rest of the world and it will be Democrats who lead the way to make sure we are number one and put people first!

[NurseJackie]

22. Smearing the party again?

The Democratic Party must open its doors, bring new people in,

"Do as I say, not as I do, or something."

and once again be the party that represents working people, not just the one percent.

What he's actually saying here is that the Democratic party is currently NOT the party that represents working people. He's saying that the Democratic party DOES represent "just the one percent". ---- GMAGDB!!

Smearing the party again? So what else is new? Those backhanded accusations are completely untrue! What good purpose does it serve to say such things? How can anyone trust or respect someone who says things that are demonstrably false?

All I'm saying is that it's hard to take someone seriously who won't make the simplest and most basic investment of permanently committing himself to being a member of the Democratic party. It's easy to snipe and ridicule and attack and take pot-shots from the fringes. Anyone can do that. What takes skill and patience is when one makes an honest commitment and works from within for the change he desires. Why can't he do that one simple thing?

[pbmus]

24. Exactly....

[Cha]

162. BS' BUZZ WORDS, "Dem Party is for the 1% and not for working people"..

Could Dampen the turn out in the November Election.

[NurseJackie]

163. That benefits the GOP, doesn't it?

Why would he do that? What good purpose does it serve?

[Cha]

166. Of course it does..

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

169. Maybe it motivates his followers to donate to his...

Maybe it motivates his followers to donate to his coffers. It simple makes no good sense to intentionally do things that harm the Democratic party unless it personally benefits someone else.

[Cha]

170. Oh yes, I forgot about

the whole fundraising thing..

[LanternWaste]

27. And with the same relevance, a druid will tell us how to celebrate Columbus day.

[Squinch]

74. Lol! I hate it when Druids do that!

[global1]

29. Stop It - Just Stop It People - First Things First....

And So It Starts Again - The Bashing.....

You need to decide whether you are a Repug or a Dem. If you are a Repug - you have no business posting here. This is called Democratic Underground.

If you decide you are a Dem - then all Dems (including Independents that caucus with Dems) need to focus and ban together to defeat the Repugs and the Trump Administration in Nov. That is where all our emphasis needs to be directed now.

Don't let the Repugs - confuse the issue and define us. There is plenty of time after we take back control from the insanity that we've experienced since Nov 2016 to work within the Party to define ourselves and the form of government we want to work under.

Dems of all persuasions (including Independents that caucus with Dems) amongst ourselves will work on a 'bi-partisan' basis to compromise and define ourselves as a Party. And that's more of what we were used to - when the Dems and Repugs could compromise in the past. Those days are gone between Repugs and Dems - but they're still alive and kicking within the Dem Party.

What I'm seeing happening here again at DU is we're getting back into the conflicts among ourselves that we had in the campaigns of 2016 and we're beginning to fall into the same traps. We just can't afford to be sucked into that conflict again. You all know what I mean.

Our mission here and now is to defeat the Repugs and Trump and to take back control from these treasonous bastards. If you choose to accept that mission then don't get sidetracked by these definitional road hazards that the other side is trying to throw us off in.

The Midterms need to be an historic election. In order to take back control we need to turn out the most people ever to vote in a U.S. election. The Repugs are focused. They will cheat and steal votes by any manner that they could. Voter suppression, gerrymandering and help by Putin and the Russians is all in play and if you want to defeat that then the only way is to turn out in numbers that they can't overturn without casting suspicions and exposing their illegal tricks.

No Dems - now is not the time to get into conflicts amongst ourselves. Now is the time to ban together and take back control. If you can't handle that - then get out of the way and let the real Dems (including Independents that caucus with the Dems) do the right thing.

[Hekate]

98. Good. Now tell that to Bernie Sanders, why don't you?

[Nanjeanne]

33. I'm glad the Democratic leadership gave him the position of Chairman of Outreach.

[AtomicKitten]

58. And that's exactly what he's doing.

Independents/NPP outnumber both major political parties. Democrats cannot win without them. Rather than opening up the primary nominating process, inexplicably the corporate Democrat-fluffers continue to insist on closed primaries which last time produced a nominee that should have anihilated Trump (like Obama did McCain and Romney) regardless of any and all real or imagined impediments.

If Democrats do not grow the party and open up the nominating process, they are doomed to repeat history. We've already lost the presidency, both houses of Congress, most govenorships and state legislatures, and the Supreme Court for a generation. Democrats need to rethink their strategy and can't afford to get it wrong again. Bernie is trying against knuckleheaded resistance to help Democrats win.

[Nanjeanne]

136. It's true every time. But thank goodness Democrats I know in real life don't buy into this nonsense

[leftstreet]

160. +1

nicely stated

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

180. +1

[uponit7771]

210. And everyone knows that there's no true Independent voters!!!

[murielm99]

73. Do you know the job description for

Chairman of Outreach?

It doesn't require traveling around criticizing the party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_of_Committee_Outreach

It is an intra-party job.

[Nanjeanne]

130. Oh well if Wikipedia says that -- well it must be completely accurate. I was just

going by all the 2016 announcements. Considering it's was a new position, as most new positions do, it evolves. For example:

The chair of outreach is a member of the small Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee. According to the committee's website, it focuses on "fostering dialogue between Senate Democrats and leaders from across the nation." Members of the committee serve as liaisons between Senate Democrats and the advocacy groups and intergovernmental organizations that want to work with them. Given this description, the committee seems like a winning position for Sanders, who dramatically altered the Democratic dialogue that came out of the presidential campaign earlier this year.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/195635-what-does-the-chair-of-outreach-do-bernie-sanders-earns-leadership-role-among-senate-democrats

Sanders was named chairman of outreach during a closed-door Senate Democratic caucus meeting Wednesday morning.

In the role, Sanders will be in charge of reaching out to blue-collar voters who flocked to President-elect Donald Trump this year.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/306336-sanders-named-to-senate-leadership-post

[murielm99]

152. What the fuck is bustle?

How are they an expert?

[Nanjeanne]

167. Oh my God you are hysterical. . They are quoting The Senate Steering Committee and Outreach Committe

Website. But heavens what do those damn Democrats know. They aren’t experts like Wikipedia!

Here’s some more. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/16/senate-democrats-tap-bernie-sanders-lead-outreach/93960822

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/306336-sanders-named-to-senate-leadership-post

http://time.com/4573592/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-democrats/

To paraphrase Bette Davis “Id love to play some more but I just washed my hair”


Thanks for reminding me to follow the advice in my tag line.

[NurseJackie]

140. That position is NOT what you think it is.

[Wounded Bear]

34. Gee, I thought we already did that Bernie...

with you.

[AlexSFCA]

35. I am no fan but unity is the most important thing right now

we are not gonna be able to shut bernie off. The reality is that he has too many followers, mostly young people whose votes we absolutely need. So let’s just accept him for what he is, most of his proposals are spot on.

[Cha]

121. NO. BS is sending an anti-Democratic Party message

at this crucial time in history. No one who cares about our country and Planet is going to roll over.'

[uponit7771]

211. I don't see an attack of calling the Democrats of the one percenters Unity

[AlexSFCA]

212. bernie has no interest in unity but we do

[Adrahil]

38. "once again?"

So I guess we're back to bashing the Democratic party?

He can GTFO.

[heaven05]

40. true

he's a democratic-socialist by his own admission. So there it is. A minor leader of a minor wing/faction within the Democratic Party. That's it. Like it or agree with it or not. Doesn't matter

[MrsCoffee]

41. How did this divisive shit turn out last time Bernie? Still taking Tad's advice?

[Cha]

100. You "cut the BS".. those aren't "facts".

[pnwmom]

107. It's not a FACT that the Dems "just" "represent the 1% -- even though Bernie said it.

Not everything that comes out of his mouth or his tweeting thumbs is the word of God.

[elleng]

109. and I never suggested such.

[Cha]

119. Exactly.. This message he's sending about the Democratic

Party being only of the 1% at this crucial time in history is his most ******* **** yet.

[Hekate]

49. STFU Bernie and go improve your own party. smh

[Wwcd]

67. No shit! Here is the condition of his "Party".

It doesn't appear any more jointed now, 2 months later, as it did in this revealing article from May.

If this is how successfully he builds a new Party, then he needs to stay the heck away from Our Democratic Party.

As long as he ignores addresing Tad DeVine's connection to Manafort, just as this whole scandal is about to blow up, then the Democrats should be wary of his purpose in our Party.


HERE - FROM MAY, 2018:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrats-2018-599331

[Kingofalldems]

51. His tweet is a lie.

[Cha]

85. Of course it IS.. that's what PISSES Hardworking

DEMS OFF So MUCH.

[Terminally_Chill]

52. F**k bernie sanders.

there.. i said it..

[comradebillyboy]

83. Welcome to DU.

[Afromania]

55. Well then man come on and join up and stop talking about it.

I mean would anybody complain if he joined us and pissed out of the tent rather than in it? He's had more than enough opportunities but he just seems like he just wants to piss in the tent for some fucking reason. If we are the the party of the 1% then what just the dirty dog hell are the republicans?

[Autumn]

63. No one gives a damn. He caucuses with the Dems and that's what matters. nt

[NurseJackie]

143. If only that were enough to make up for the lies and divisive attacks.

He caucuses with the Dems and that's what matters. nt

If only that were enough to make up for the lies and divisive attacks.

But it's not. The backhanded LIES he's spewing about the Democratic Party being the party of the "one-percent" only serves to divide and cause distrust. It weakens the party... and that benefits the GOP.

No, the fact that he "caucuses with the Dems" isn't enough to undo or to make up for the damage caused with his baseless smears and attacks. It serves NO good purpose for him to say things like that.

[NastyRiffraff]

65. I am sick of Bernie Sanders and his grandstanding

I just wish he would go away. I know he won't, but I can dream!

[EffieBlack]

88. Did he really accuse the Democratic Party of only representing the 1%?

Why are we still treating him with kid gloves?

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

97. Yeah, I don't know what his game is.

Not helpful to bash the Democrats at this time. That's just aiding the Republicans. Also, the Republicans pretty much control everything, so if he has any issues, he ought to be looking at the Republicans.

[R B Garr]

104. Bernie is the only one saying these things aren't happening.

The Democratic Party does have open doors (what does that even mean??)

The Democratic Party does bring in new people. Obviously.

The Democratic Party does represent working people. Obviously.

He is the only one saying the Democratic Party represents the 1%. Obviously.

He should find a more positive and inclusive message instead of these falsehoods.

[xajj4791]

126. BS is not the only one saying these things

The reason he says these things is also important. Why would he say the Democratic party is the party of the 1% as well as the repugs? Because they do not support things like taxing the 1% or putting the types of counters on banks that they should have on them to protect the economy BECAUSE of their 1% and special interests.

Just because the Republicans do it to the extreme does not mean the Democrats do not do it.

[R B Garr]

129. Of course he is the only one saying it. It's how he develops his brand.

All those things in this recent Tweet are directly from his prior campaign. The Wall Street meltdown was 10 years ago. The Republicans only gain from his attacks. You should read the Mueller indictments. That is the reality of who is benefitting from his words.

[ehrnst]

117. So Democrats are currently NOT the party of working people?

Because that's the implication.

[Cha]

123. Yeah, according to BS we're the party of the.. wait for it..

"the 1%".

I'm so pissed off.

[Power 2 the People]

125. Seems like he's always endorsing Democrats

I guess he leans Democrat.

[Cha]

168. BS is WRONG to send this disingenuous message

out that the "Democratic Party is the party of 1% and not working people".

[uponit7771]

208. +1

[Cha]

209. Dem Voters aren't listening to his anti-Democratic Party messages,

though, uponit.

Poll: Conor Lamb leads Keith Rothfus big, Dem enthusiasm high in key Pa. congressional race.

Link to tweet

A new poll of one of Pennsylvania’s most critical congressional races shows Democrat Conor Lamb with a large lead over Republican Keith Rothfus, and reflects several trends that could weigh heavily in similar contests outside Philadelphia.

In a Republican-leaning swing district just outside Pittsburgh, Lamb has a 51 percent to 39 percent lead among potential voters — those who have participated in an election since 2010 or are newly registered to vote, according to the survey from the Monmouth University Polling Institute. His lead is even larger in a model that predicts a Democratic turnout surge.

[sprinkleeninow]

215. CONOR LAMB 😍

"I gave at the office." 🤗

No, I don't work at any office. Just a saying. But I really did give several times. Especially the 3X and 4X matches. Go Conor!!

[Cha]

216. Thank You, sprinkleen!

GOTV Conor Lamb!

[Cha]

182. BS is always insulting the Democratic Party that

is out there on the Front Lines Fighting Against Fascism.

[TheRealNorth]

137. Scott Walker says

Keep up the good work!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

156. Save it for the gop bernie. He says some good things, but, Im done w old bernie.

try beating up on the gop bern...lots to work w there old timer.

[guillaumeb]

159. I agree with Bernie.

As do many millions of voters.

[elleng]

176. Yes, thanks, guill.

[Cha]

196. Well, you all don't know what you're talking about including BS.

[Cha]

195. You "agree" that the Democratic Party is for the 1% and

not for workers"?

[uponit7771]

204. Bullshit, you won't be repeating Sanders Dem bashing on DU

[Cha]

218. Freaking YEAH!

Excellent Point, uponit!!!!

[BlueTsunami2018]

161. Haven't we been saying this here for years upon years?

That the party had become too corporate? That we had abandoned our labor roots with the rise of the DLC in the 90’s? I remember that being the general consensus here for a long, long time. We railed against the Nelsons, the Liebermans, the mushy “centrists” holding us back from doing the right things. Bernie Sanders has been a folk hero in this neck of the woods forever. And then 2016 happened and now he’s a villain. His message hasn’t changed at all, he’s still right about damn near everything but now he’s hated by half of the people here.

It’s weird how this all works.

[uponit7771]

205. NO !! The people who were saying that were Russian trolls and jpr

[BlueTsunami2018]

236. Russian trolls and JPR were here during the Bush years?

Talk about playing the long game. 🤨

[uponit7771]

242. In this case yes, most Dems don't think the DNC. Is 1% heavy like the RNC

[BlueTsunami2018]

244. DLC. Not DNC.

They are now extinct but they were vilified, quite justly in my opinion, back in their day by progressives.

[Cha]

207. Dem Voters aren't listening to BS' disingenuous anti-Democratic Messages..

Hardworking Dems are out there tying TO TAKE BACK THE HOUSE.

Poll: Conor Lamb leads Keith Rothfus big, Dem enthusiasm high in key Pa. congressional..

Link to tweet

A new poll of one of Pennsylvania’s most critical congressional races shows Democrat Conor Lamb with a large lead over Republican Keith Rothfus, and reflects several trends that could weigh heavily in similar contests outside Philadelphia.

In a Republican-leaning swing district just outside Pittsburgh, Lamb has a 51 percent to 39 percent lead among potential voters — those who have participated in an election since 2010 or are newly registered to vote, according to the survey from the Monmouth University Polling Institute. His lead is even larger in a model that predicts a Democratic turnout surge.

[Quayblue]

174. That 1% he keeps using..

I'm almost willing to bet he's not referencing financial status. But I will leave it at that for now.

[shanny]

178. wot happened to the big tent?

is it big enough for "former" (i.e. temporarily embarrassed) Republicans but not for small-d democrats? is that your point? good luck winning elections with that....oh SNAP: we haven't been!

ffs

[Cha]

185. I'm guessing you didn't read BS' tweet.. "the Democratic Party

is the party of the 1% and not for working people"

[underpants]

179. Just checking in

[betsuni]

186. Twitter comments are overwhelmingly negative, I'm happy to see.

People know it isn't true. A good sign.

[Cha]

187. Yes! Twitter is pushing back exponentially

against his attempt to divide.

And, then there's this..

Link to tweet

Senator Elizabeth is being a Uniter! Yay!

[uponit7771]

206. +1, Sanders stepped in it with that statement

[Cha]

219. Only his fans wonder why we're pushing back...

But, like you said.. they wouldn't dare use it on DU as a talking point.

[betsuni]

223. I went over to JPR to try and figure this out.

They do not see it as divisive because they think "free trade corporatists" have for the last 40 years left the working class behind to hang out with the donor class. Therefore, Bernie is correct. Anyone who cannot see this is naive or stupid. Apparently, there has been a Democratic president and healthy Democratic majorities in both Houses for all these decades because only Democrats are responsible for the U.S. economy and policies.

I guess they must be very happy with Trump's anti-trade policies. That's working out so well for farmers and the working class already. Imagine what the economy will look like in a few years! How they will then blame Democrats will be something to see.

[Cha]

224. Yeah, BS is always "right". LOL Tweeter Researcher Disagrees..

Link to tweet

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BS doesn't know what he's talking about.

[ucrdem]

234. +1 to the billionth

Good stuff Cha!

[Cha]

237. Moar Reality Based Stuff, ucr.. WE ARE THE WORKERS..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Mahalo!

[Cha]

188. Julian Castro is working FOR our Party.. Not against it.

Link to tweet

[DetlefK]

202. His own fucking homepage says that he's not a Democrat.

https://berniesanders.com/about/

[Cha]

220. Hey BS.. read this twitter thread since you have NO clue.

Link to tweet

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[betsuni]

225. A good list for those whining about Democrats.

[Cha]

226. And, I just posted it to you again.. sorry.

Those that push this canard.. that Dems are "1% and Not for Working People" are only doing it for their own selfish agenda. As transparent as glass.

Yeah, thanks to JAG for doing the research!

[betsuni]

227. The more the merrier. Sick of the lies.

The way people are pushing back on Twitter makes me more optimistic. Maybe the worst is over.

[Cha]

228. Oh, not to be too pessimistic

but there's always more coming from that direction.

But, the good news is.. more and more are not having one single bit of it. I see it on Democratic Twitter Feeds.. they're all over it.

And, I really do think that KARMA's a MF.. some fine day.

[KitSileya]

232. It's time to be blunt. Most working people support the Democratic party.

Bernie just doesn't count them because they have the wrong skin color. Overwhelmingly, people in lower income brackets vote Democratic. The problem for Bernie is that they are minorities, and they live in the wrong states - he disdainfully called them part of the Confederacy during the primary (never mind that most of them would have been slaves back then, not treasonous members of the Confederacy.)

The Democratic party doesn't represent the 1%. Bernie is lying when he says that. 94% of black women voted for Hillary. You don't get more working class support than that, even though many of those 94% aren't working class...right now. Black women know how the American society is designed to make sure that any progress they make is so precarious it doesn't last through generations, so they vote Democratic, because they know who fights for them. They know who fights for the working class, to make sure the working class has a chance to become middle class. Bernie doesn't acknowledge that, because the working class the Democratic party fights the hardest for doesn't look like him.

[Cha]

238. Exactly, KIt! I was just posting that..

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

239. [phone]

[Gothmog]

247. Great post and I agree with your analysis

Many true and good democrats who are key members of the base do not support sanders and never will

While I am white, I do not support sanders' proposals

[NastyRiffraff]

254. Great post, thank you

It's about time we call a lie a lie, no matter who it comes from. The Democratic party supposedly representing the 1% is an outrageous lie, and Bernie knows it. He's dismissed POC and women throughout his candidacy, going for the young white vote who are more susceptible to grandstanding and who were waiting for someone to tell them how awesome they are. Bernie was good at that, I'll give him that.

[brer cat]

256. +10000 nt

[NurseJackie]

258. "The Democratic party doesn't represent the 1%. Bernie is lying when he says that." -- Thank you!!!

The Democratic party doesn't represent the 1%. Bernie is lying when he says that.

Thank you! That's exactly what he's doing. He's lying. Bernie is lying when he attacks the Democratic party.

That has GOT to be one of the MOST DESTRUCTIVE and MOST DIVISIVE LIES he's ever said about the Democratic party.

It's unforgivable! It amazes me that people here are actually DEFENDING him for that smear. It really serves no good purpose for him to denigrate the Democratic party in that way. Why would he do that? The only ones who benefit from that are the Republicans.

Why would he do something that harms and divides Democrats and that simultaneously HELPS THE REPUBLICANS? Why???

All I'm trying to point out is that his attacks and lies and smears about the Democratic party are getting worse and worse. Contrary to what Bernie says, the Democratic party is not "ideologically bankrupt"... and Democrats are not "feeble" or "corrupt"... and the Democratic party is not the "party of the one-percent"... and the Democratic party actually IS the party of the working class.

Seriously... WTF? Why would he do that? Why would he say that?

I've completely lost what little respect I once had for him. I cannot trust someone who says things like that. Anyone who was TRULY an "ally" of the Democratic party would NEVER be telling those types of lies.

[Omaha Steve]

261. I've completely lost what little respect I once had for him

When was that BTW?

[NurseJackie]

263. This is not about me, Steve.

When was that BTW?

Why do you need to know? Why do you care? What difference does it make? This is not about me, Steve.

[betsuni]

264. You think you are one to judge respect?

[Omaha Steve]

265. What judging?

I asked a simple question.

[betsuni]

273. I asked a simple question too.

Who are you to judge respect.

[Omaha Steve]

275. Like NJ says

This isn't about me.

[betsuni]

276. When was that BTW?

[NurseJackie]

299. Goose... meet Gander.

275. Like NJ says
This isn't about me.

Goose... meet Gander. My how the attitude changes when things are turned back around on you! Interesting.

[Omaha Steve]

300. I thought you would be flattered?

I guess not.

[NurseJackie]

301. It's unclear why anyone would be "flattered"...

300. I thought you would be flattered?
I guess not.

It's unclear why anyone should be "flattered" by someone else revealing their own double-standards.

All I'm trying to say is that there's nothing about that which reasonable people would consider to be particularly complimentary to me; and other than as a clumsy way to hide one's own embarrassment at the discovery of the double-standards, it's odd that anyone would think it's "flattering".

[Omaha Steve]

303. Double standard

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

This started when you claimed to at a time have some respect for Bernie. I've never seen a hint of that from you. Maybe you can dig out a post where you showed that respect in the past.

[NurseJackie]

304. That's really rather *your* problem, not mine...

Double standard

It remains yours, not mine.

This started when you claimed to at a time have some respect for Bernie.

You'll just have to accept it and take me at my word.

I've never seen a hint of that from you.

That's really rather *your* problem, not mine, isn't it? Maybe you were absent that day, or busy posting over at JPR. It's unclear how you think that's evidence of my being hypocritical or having double standards.

Maybe you can dig out a post where you showed that respect in the past.

Do you own research if it means so much to you. Why do you believe I owe you something like that?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

No, you're not flattering me. You're only highlighting your own double standards.

Clearly, when I dismiss your silly demands of me, you become annoyed... but when someone else questions you in a similar manner you think it's okay to dismiss THEM. THAT is the double-standard. Goose/gander. You'd only hinted at it before, but after the last two messages/replies, this fact couldn't be more obvious. Thank you.

[Omaha Steve]

305. Why do you believe I owe you something like that?

To prove me wrong and prove you were being honest at the time. That is all.

[NurseJackie]

306. Don't flatter yourself. I have no obligation to "prove" anything to you.

To prove me wrong and prove you were being honest at the time.

Don't flatter yourself. I have no obligation to "prove" anything to you one way or another. If you spent less time at JPR, and more time here, maybe your demands would be unnecessary.

As I said before, someone's lack of knowledge (or lack of insight into my mind, or posting history) is their own problem. It's not up to me to educate anyone or to dispel whatever irrational suspicions someone may have about me.

But I can tell you, that DEMANDING something from me that you're immediately unwilling to provide when someone else "demands" the same of you is very hypocritical. It's a double standard that says more about you than it does about me, and it's not very flattering... so I can see why you persist in trying to make this about me.

That is all.

You may want me to believe that, but I'm smarter than you're giving me credit for. I see exactly what this is. Your backhanded insults and accusations that I'm dishonest (or that I must "prove" my honesty to your satisfaction) have not gone unnoticed. It serves no good purpose for you to insult me that way. You're skating on thin ice, Omaha Steve.

[heaven05]

350. BAM!!!!!!!!!!

[betsuni]

308. LOL. That is all.

[NurseJackie]

309. Yes. Apparently so.

When an otherwise rational person willingly walks out on thin ice, they do so at their own risk and in doing so, in spite of whatever satisfaction derived from it, they're accepting whatever consequences there may be for their risky behavior.



All I'm saying is that it's like that old saying "if you play with fire, you're likely to get burned" ... SIMILARLY ... if you walk out on thin ice, you're likely to get wet (and cold) but mostly wet.

[betsuni]

311. Many people at one time had respect for Bernie.

I did too. Not nice to call people liars. That is all.

[Omaha Steve]

266. What judging?

I asked a simple question.

[NurseJackie]

310. Uh, not really...

I asked a simple question.

Uh, not really. It was a backhanded insult that was a not-so-clever way to call me a liar or to "suggest" that I'm being dishonest. People are smarter than they're often given credit for, and in this instance, the insult backfired.

[lapucelle]

312. Saying that you've lost what little respect you had for BS is harsh,

but after BS blasted out an email to raise cash on the claim that "the corporate Democrats are plotting how to beat progressives" many people might agree with you, Steve.

What kind of politician tries to separate hard-working people from their hard-earned money with deceptive scare-mongering?

What kind of politician spouts self-serving nonsense on Twitter like, "The Democratic Party must open its doors, bring new people in, and once again be the party that represents working people, not just the one percent," and expects to be respected and taken seriously?

[sheshe2]

322. Everything NurseJackie posted to you and you focus on this?

"I've completely lost what little respect I once had for him"

When was that BTW?

Bernie calls Democrats morally corrupt and the party of the 1%...and you want to know when and where NJ stated the above?

Dear Gawd.

[heaven05]

349. Not so far back

that all people can remember if they choose so. Democratic-socialist like BS-AOC have been nothing but divisive to our Party while campaigning against other Democrats nationwide. AOC was, I read, in Michigan, either yesterday or will be today, sowing mistrust and division among Democrats in races they should keep their faction out of. Diluting Democratic vote strength with words. He has ALWAYS been this way for as long back as I can remember his name coming up in discussions. Diluting vote strength by pushing candidates that don't really, because of racial demographics, have a chance. Yet voters will listen to the honeywords poured into their ears and waste a valuable vote. Now with our country so divided, are they taking advantage of the social, political, racial/cultural divisions of our country and our Party by sowing discord and mistrust instead of concentrating on defeating repthugliKKKans? Just a question

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech

Over the years so many divisive and disparaging remarks concerning our, yes flawed, but necessary Party. And he still has no real outreach or compassion for the AA voter. How many AA on his staff or AOC's for that matter? Look he's a minor figure with a minor faction WITHIN the Democratic Party. The MSM makes him and people like AOC more important than they actually are to our Party thusly continually sowing discord and mistrust among the people under our very large tent. When we unify behind the Democratic Party with ONE GOAL, taking back the House and Senate this November, we win. And keeping perspective in realizing minor figures basking in media lights are just MINOR PEOPLE IN A MINOR faction of our Party. And get on to the important business, like defeating RepthugliKKKans and not fighting over party ideologies and goals. We shall win in November in such overwhelming numbers that we can and will take back our Party and country from those who would truly like to destroy it and only if we have a common purpose, defeating repthugliKKKans and not intra-Party fights concerning minor factions under our Big Tent of liberals, conservative Democrats and progressives.

Finally, it has ALWAYS been with BS, his view, that if AA made as much money as whites, then racism would just melt away...tell that to Ving Rhames, bernie. Tell that to the recipients of the poolside pauls and Paulas guarding the purity of pool water against those pesky, uppity, criminal black people: sarcasm, society guardians against n*****s and their children while selling water and learning about capitalism like phone call becky's all over the nation. Some of these calls ending in death, the common purpose of these calls and stops. Park guardians against barbecuing while black, never commenting on massive DWB stops, killings by whites, police officers and citizens alike only because one was black. And on and on with this Democratic-socialists and his followers in our Party.

We, as a Party, must marginalize this faction and get on with the really important business of GOTV to defeat fascism, racism, sexism. I will never be fooled by a minor political operative like BS. Here is part of the reason why

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/bernie-sanderss-still-isnt-a-democrat-is-he-the-partys-best-hope.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-24238 weCANdowithouthimandAOC
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-242386
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/22/bernie-sanders-identity-politics-class-race-debate
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/13/bernie-sanderss-big-black-voter-problem/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31b7a12445b0

[ehrnst]

346. That was a tactic used by Devine in the Bolivian campaign of Gonzalo (Goni) Sanchez de Lozada

"Our Revolution" against the "Corrupt Establishment"

Devine and crew attacked his opponents with an image of Goni as the least flawed of all the candidates. Which could not have been further from the truth.

Manafort created the exact same brand and narrative that Devine did for Sanders. "Corrupt and Establishment".

[heaven05]

289. true, this

always has been this way with BS.

[Quayblue]

313. Yep nt

[sheshe2]

323. I love you for this, KitSileya.

Truly.

KitSileya

232. It's time to be blunt. Most working people support the Democratic party.

Bernie just doesn't count them because they have the wrong skin color. Overwhelmingly, people in lower income brackets vote Democratic. The problem for Bernie is that they are minorities, and they live in the wrong states - he disdainfully called them part of the Confederacy during the primary (never mind that most of them would have been slaves back then, not treasonous members of the Confederacy.)

The Democratic party doesn't represent the 1%. Bernie is lying when he says that. 94% of black women voted for Hillary. You don't get more working class support than that, even though many of those 94% aren't working class...right now. Black women know how the American society is designed to make sure that any progress they make is so precarious it doesn't last through generations, so they vote Democratic, because they know who fights for them. They know who fights for the working class, to make sure the working class has a chance to become middle class. Bernie doesn't acknowledge that, because the working class the Democratic party fights the hardest for doesn't look like him.

Thank you.

[NurseJackie]

355. Amen. You are absolutely correct in your observations and assessment.

The lies and attacks I've been hearing from him recently completely disgust me.

The Democratic party doesn't represent the 1%. Bernie is lying when he says that.

Exactly, it's a goddamned LIE to say that that the Democratic party represents "one-percent". It is not a vice for loyal Democrats to vigorously defend the Democratic Party against that type of sickening attack. It's not "bashing" anyone to call-out the LIES and SMEARS for what they are.

[ucrdem]

233. The irony is that Bernie takes credit for Democratic initiatives aimed at registering new voters.

In California for example he bragged that his candidacy had brought in 1.5 million new voters. From Sanders campaign:

California Voter Registration Surges Under Sanders Candidacy
MAY 18, 2016
Bernie Sanders

CARSON, Calif. — Voter enthusiasm in California is surging with more than 1.5 million newly registered or re-registered voters since January 1, according to the latest data from Political Data Inc. With that number expected to surpass 2 million before the May 23 deadline, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders has shown he is the candidate who can build the energy and excitement to attract new voters to register and participate in the Democratic process.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/california-voter-registration-surges-sanders-candidacy/

In fact those voters were brought in by DEMOCRATIC legislation to sign up new voters automatically at the DMV, i.e. motor-voter registration. Not only did Bernie claim credit for it but he made no visible effort to actually sign up voters at the event I saw him at in San Bernardino. No voter registration tables, no Democratic local officials, just heaps of shop-worn Bernie-ware. And he didn't encourage his audience to vote for Democrats or to vote for Hillary if he lost; he spent the whole speech running her down and bragging about his insurgency. Very uninspiring by my lights.

[JI7]

243. ugh

[lapucelle]

245. The same "data" would support the claim that voter registration

surged under the Clinton candidacy. It's hard to take anyone who makes (or falls for) otherwise unsupported post hoc ergo propter hoc claims seriously, although this tactic can be useful if the goal is to lead people to fallacious conclusions.

[Gothmog]

248. California adopted automatic voter registration due to a lawsuit

Sanders had nothing to do the adoption of automatic voter registration in California.

[Gothmog]

250. Golden State Settles Suit Over Motor-Voter Rules

California was found to not be in compliance with the motor voter law and adopted automatic voter registration to settle that lawsuit. https://www.courthousenews.com/golden-state-settles-suit-over-moter-voter-rules/

SAN FRANCISCO (CN) – Starting this April, the more than 1 million Californians who renew their driver’s licenses by mail each year will be able to register to vote using one form under the terms of a new settlement agreement.

The settlement reached Jan. 10 ends eight months of litigation over California’s alleged violations of the National Voting Rights Act of 1993.

The League of Women Voters and three other groups sued the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles and Secretary of State’s Office in May 2017, claiming the state burdens would-be voters by making them fill out the same information on two separate forms to register to vote.

It was the League of Women Voters who can claim credit for this accomplishment. Sanders had nothing to do with the adoption of this system.

[ucrdem]

334. Turns out the National Voter Registration Act was signed in 1993 by ...

Bill Clinton. There's irony for you!

https://www.justice.gov/crt/about-national-voter-registration-act

[Gothmog]

352. The Texas Civil Rights Project is suing Texas for failing to comply with Motor Voter

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

337. Hmmm

"In fact those voters were brought in by DEMOCRATIC legislation to sign up new voters automatically at the DMV, i.e. motor-voter registration. Not only did Bernie claim credit for it but he made no visible effort to actually sign up voters at the event I saw him at in San Bernardino. No voter registration tables, no Democratic local officials, just heaps of shop-worn Bernie-ware. And he didn't encourage his audience to vote for Democrats or to vote for Hillary if he lost; he spent the whole speech running her down and bragging about his insurgency. Very uninspiring by my lights."

Look at me.

Tired of the bullshit. Going to bed.

Love you.

[Gothmog]

354. I just donated to the LWV and the Texas Civil Rights Project

These groups are actually working on this issue in the real world

[sheshe2]

359. Thank you, Gothmog.

[beachbum bob]

251. Really who cares?

Time to move on, we have more important work to do. What a waste of space

[Cha]

257. BS should be held accountable for

sending out this disingenuous message about the Democratic Party.. especially at such a crucial time in history.

IF the Dem Party is what BS says they are.. ie "1% and not for workers".. why do his fans say ".. but, he's a dem.. he votes with them 90% of the time"?

[NurseJackie]

259. Who cares? I care! Smearing the party harms the party...

Really who cares?

Who cares? I care! Smearing the party harms the party. You bet I care!! You should too.

Time to move on, we have more important work to do. What a waste of space

If only Bernie would "move-on" from the endless lies and denigration of our party and party leaders. It causes division and distrust. It makes the Democratic party weaker and that ONLY benefits the GOP.

If only he'd stop "wasting space" attacking Democrats and the Democratic party and INSTEAD spend his time attacking the GOP and trying to unseat Republicans.

Why would he do that? What good purpose does it serve to lie about the Democratic party? It's unforgivable.

[whathehell]

279. But Bernie can still offer that opinion..

due to that Freedom of Speech thing, and all...

[sellitman]

280. More DU Click Bait

Mods: PLEASE STOP THIS SHIT.

I want all this Hillary/ Bernie Click Baiting to stop on DU

NEITHER ONE IS the answer or the problem

Focus on Dotard and the upcoming election please!!!

[NurseJackie]

284. ACTUALLY... that's *not* what this is.

I want all this Hillary/ Bernie Click Baiting to stop on DU

ACTUALLY... that's not what this is. This isn't about "Hillary/Bernie" and anyone who was paying attention to Bernie's recent attack and smear on the Democratic party would know that.

This is how loyal Democrats respond when a non-Democrat like Bernie accuses the Democratic Party of being the "one-percent" party, and describing the Democratic Party as not being the party of the working class.

BOTH of those characterizations are false. They're total lies. It's divisive. It's harmful. It creates distrust and resentment. It weakens the party (and that BENEFITS the GOP). Why would he do that? Why would anyone defend his words?

All I'm trying to tell you is that this latest dust up has NOTHING to do with "Hillary/Bernie click baiting" and it has NOTHING to do with the primary. It's wrong for anyone to try and characterize it as such, and it's wrong to try and shoo it away as if nothing had happened.

In short, what he said serves NO good purpose, and it's UNFORGIVABLE! That's not the way that a "Democratic ally" behaves.

I don't know how (or why) he thinks anyone would ever trust him again after that.

[sellitman]

285. Labeling is divisive.

It's absolutely what makes this click bait.

The Bernie isn't a Registered Democrat therefore he can't have a say in the parties plank is Bullshit.

By his actions and voting record his left wing credentials are Democratic. He supported Hillary when he needed to. His politics are pure Democratic and yet we need to whine when his comments take us to task? I'm fine with making sure we aren't catering to the 1%

[NurseJackie]

287. That's ALSO not what this is. Nice try though.

The Bernie isn't a Registered Democrat therefore he can't have a say in the parties plank is Bullshit.

That's ALSO not what this is. Nice try though.

I'm smarter than you're giving me credit for and I can see exactly what you're doing. NOBODY said anything about the party's plank. Attempts to redefine or redirect or distract from what he ACTUALLY SAID and from the ACTUAL RESPONSE will not work to change the subject or the argument.

This is an angry response to the LIES and the ATTACKS he recently (and regularly) makes on Democrats and the Democratic Party. The things he said are untrue and divisive. A true "Democratic ally" would not be doing that. A true "Democratic ally" would not be trying to tear down and divide us with these types of attacks and smears.

All I'm saying is that this type of divisive rhetoric only creates distrust. I'm sure Putin is loving it, because a divided party is a WEAK party... and that benefits the GOP.

I'm fine with making sure we aren't catering to the 1%

Oh, good grief! GMAFB!

[heaven05]

353. BS, not even

a nice try. That catering to the 1% is BS, again so obvious as to why this is happening. The current revelations concerning trump, manafort, DEVIN, et al: leaves a lot of unanswered questions as to an already lagging Party support as stated by BS and now his minor faction, again, over and over in the last 30-40 years. He has always said he is NOT a Democrat. Doesn't want to be until he needs apparatus and political machinery to further divide us with candidates like AOC.

Crowder was a chowder head to assume he had it in the bag. Period. Democrats learned another valuable lesson on how that allowed a minor candidate to slip in under the radar, winning with 16000+ votes out of a possible 235,000 voters. GOTV people! I'm driving them to the polls in November.

[NurseJackie]

365. Bernie is basically saying "there's no difference between the parties" and that's WRONG!!

That catering to the 1% is BS, again so obvious as to why this is happening.

Bernie is basically saying "there's no difference between the parties" and that's WRONG!!

We don't accept those kinds of attacks and smears from Ann Coulter or Dick Cheney, right? Loyal Democrats would fight back if the same disgusting lie was uttered by Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, right?

So why is it that when Bernie Sanders attacks the Democratic party with that lie, so many of his supporters rush to defend him? Why is it okay for Bernie to tell disgusting lies about the Democratic party, but people would have-a-cow if Ann Coulter said it?

He has always said he is NOT a Democrat.

Along with his lies about how "corrupt" and "feeble" and "ideologically bankrupt" the Democratic party is, the fact that he also refuses to declare loyalty to the party is NOT a very good argument for getting others to support Democrats.

There are many who boast about being an "Independent" or "non-affiliated" voter (I think they want others to believe they're smarter, too) yet, when it comes time to select the party's nominee, these NON-DEMOCRATS will scream bloody murder because they aren't allowed to participate in PARTY business.

They don't want to be actual members of the Democratic party because it suits their vanities of being "non-affiliated". Even though it's so EASY to declare one's self as being a Democrat when registering, they won't do it. In the end, they put in MORE EFFORT to complain about being "disenfranchised" (total nonsense, BTW) from party business. They'll go on for hours and days about how "unfair" it is that only Democrats get to pick the party's nominee... when it would have taken a mere 1/2 second to check the little box that says "Democrat" on their voter registration.

I guess that's the price of pride and vanity... and showing the world that they're not as smart as they originally wanted us to believe.

Anyway, here's the thing... Bernie's actions (and his damned lies) do absolutely NOTHING to encourage others to join the Democratic party, or to support the Democratic party, or to vote for Democratic candidates, or to volunteer for the Democratic party, or to contribute to the party and Democratic candidates.

His "both parties are the same" rhetoric (similar to Sarandon's lies) end up driving voters to support Stein or Nader... and that ALWAYS benefits the GOP (and by extension, it benefits RUSSIA!!)

[Nero Mero]

281. Single payer failed in Vermont

Vermont, ladies and gentlemen. Vermont.

[JI7]

295. Vermont has a Republican Governor

[Nero Mero]

316. Peter Shumlin is a Democrat

Shumlin gave up on single player when he found out that the cost was almost as much as the entire budget of Vermont.
This happened in 2013.
It doesn’t matter who is the governor now.

I can’t believe that you thought the single payer failure happened this year.

[JI7]

317. my point is Vermont isn't that liberal

maybe in comparison to other places. but when sanders goes to other states to defeat democrats iwonder why he doesn't do it in his state first .

[SaschaHM]

286. Just when I started to warm up to him...

Delusion started to rear it's ugly head again.

Bernie can chose to ignore the working class people of color and frankly the 99%-ters regardless of race that make up this party all he wants, but he deserves to be roundly criticized and mocked for doing so. It's divisive and it's dangerous in the era of Trump. If he's going to start pulling this shit during the midterm, setting up an "us vs. them" intra-party battle for house seats, then any and all rules protecting him on DU need to be changed.

Anyone working in service to Trump, which is what this is, is the enemy.

[heaven05]

288. and never has been

just sometimes when he needed apparatus. I went to an organized group way back when he was trying to win a primary. From the very beginning I was not welcome, period. Bernie HAS NEVER addressed systemic racism and institutionalized white supremacy thinking. Why?

[sheshe2]

340. Well

He is just not that interested in you.

I am so sorry, heaven.

[Funtatlaguy]

302. We can't afford this argument right now.

100days until the midterms.
We need all hands on deck from center to far left.
The day after the midterms, we can take up this discussion again.
But not now.

[NurseJackie]

318. Actually, we MUST have this argument right now.

We can't afford this argument right now.

Actually, we MUST have this argument right now. It's not a vice for LOYAL Democrats to defend the Democratic party against smears and lies.

100days until the midterms.

I know, right? What in the world would motivate him to say such damaging things so close to the midterms? It ONLY helps the Republicans. It helps ONLY the Republicans. It hurts the Democratic party. Why would he do that? Why would he do that now?

The day after the midterms, we can take up this discussion again.

Bullshit. That will be too fucking late! These smears and attacks on the party need to be addressed NOW! What good purpose does it serve to say NOTHING in defense of the Democratic party?

In what way do you find the smears and attacks and LIES about Democrats and the Democratic party to be motivating? How are the smears and attacks and LIES going to attract new Democrats, new voters, new supporters, new volunteers? How? How does this help?

But not now.

So you're IN FAVOR of allowing those divisive lies to go unanswered? You're perfectly fine with allowing others to believe that the Democratic party is "not the workers party"? You approve of letting potential voters/members hear that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent"?? --- Why? Why is this okay with you?

We need all hands on deck from center to far left.

I agree. So, please explain to me why it is that you think it's acceptable for loyal Democrats to say nothing when others tell lies that have the effect of WEAKENING the party... that causes distrust... that DRIVES AWAY potential new members/voters.

How many "far left" leaning voters are inclined to support the Democratic party when all they hear from certain people is how "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt" and "feeble" the Democrats and Democratic party is?

Again, what good purpose does this serve? How is it in the party's best interest to let these OUTRIGHT LIES go unanswered. If they're not refuted IMMEDIATELY and LOUDLY, then they become accepted as the "truth".

You've heard that old saying "repeat a lie often enough and people begin to think it's true"... we don't want that to happen do we?

[George II]

321. Better now than late 2019 or early 2020.

[democratisphere]

326. We sure as hell don't want to be singing this song in 2018 and 2020!

We need winners, not (a) loser(s)!

[Power 2 the People]

327. Tired of all the gratuitous Bernie bashing

Why isn't he allowed to have an opinion? Bernie is a US Senator and knows these people much more than any of the habitual Bernie bashers on this board. If he feels the Democratic Party caters too much to the 1% and not enough to working people he has the right as an American to say that. He is basing his opinion on what he is seeing from the inside of the process. All of you Bernie bashers have no idea what goes on behind closed doors in Washington. He does!

If his actions push the party more to the left then God bless him. That's what we need! Our party moved too far to the right in the 90's and we need to get back to being the party of the people not only in words but in ACTION!

At the beginning of 2009, Democrats controlled 59 percent of state legislatures, while now they control only 31 percent, the lowest percentage for the party since the turn of the 20th century. They held 29 governor’s offices and now have only 16, the party’s lowest number since 1920. It's because the working class stopped believing us!!

If we are going to take back this country we've got to go all in on what it really means to be a Democrat. A FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT DEMOCRAT!! Playing the middle got us TRUMP!

So tired of people on DU making believe some Democratic officeholders don't put Wall Street over working people. Grow up! Those office holders need to start acting like Democrats or declare as a Republican and get the hell out of the party of FDR.

And stop re-fighting the goddamn 2016 primaries. We lost for a number of reasons;some nefarious and some by poor campaign strategy. THAT'S A FACT!

We need to move to the left (which is really the pre-1980 center) to WIN!!

[NurseJackie]

330. "Tired of all the gratuitous Bernie bashing" --- Nobody is doing that.

Tired of all the gratuitous Bernie bashing

Nobody is doing that.

And stop re-fighting the goddamn 2016 primaries.

Nobody is doing that, either.

What IS happening is that LOYAL Democrats are fighting BACK against the smears and LIES and ATTACKS on the Democratic Party.

Why isn't he allowed to have an opinion?

Oh good god! GMAFB! Smears and lies and attacks are not "an opinion". You wouldn't accept these kind of lies about Democrats from Trump... why are you DEFENDING it and EXCUSING it when it comes out of Bernie's mouth?

How does it help? When he creates division and distrust and resentment, HOW DOES THAT HELP?

All I'm saying is that it's not our reaction that's the problem... it's the attacks and LIES that are the problem. I believe it would be a smarter decision if people focused their attention on preventing these types of lies in the first place. I serves NO good purpose to excuse him and to blame those who have the courage to stand up for and defend the Democratic party.

[Power 2 the People]

332. Yes, we must defend the Democratic Party by making it stronger!

We must let all of the people who didn't come out to vote or foolishly voted for that orange asshole that we are going back to our roots!

If Bernie feels that the party caters too much to the 1% at the expense of working people he should be able to voice that.It should sound the alarm to any elected Democrat that the days of putting corporate donors first is coming to an end.

If voters think they are getting the same old wishy-washy Democratic party they won't be inspired and will not vote. We stood by and let a Supreme Court Justice be stolen from us without a fight. Why would average Americans think we would fight for them? We let Wall Street criminals walk away unscathed after crashing the economy in 2008. Why would the working man who lost his house think we are on his side and not Wall Street? We let war criminals get away with invading Iraq and instead of bringing them to justice we said "let's look forward, not in the past." Why would even the lowest among us think we were the party of justice? This must change.

People want hope and authenticity. If this comment wakes up the party and cleans out the "go along to get along" Dems then it will only make us stronger and more progressive. New candidates and incumbents alike will think twice before espousing quasi conservative bullshit.

“Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans" A generation of new Democrats who act like old Democrats.

[NurseJackie]

344. There's no "alarm to sound". It's a goddamned LIE and it serves no good purpose.

There's no "alarm to sound". It's a goddamned LIE and it serves no good purpose EXCEPT to drive away voters and to drive away support and to drive away donors and to drive away volunteers and to cause division and to create distrust and to inflame resentment and to WEAKEN the party. A divided and weakened Democratic party only benefits the GOP (and by extension, it also benefits Russia.)

Why would he want to do things and say things that only serve to HELP the Republicans? Fuck that noise! The Democratic party is not the "party of the one-percent" (as he claims) the Democratic party is not "ideologically bankrupt" (as he claims) the Democratic party leadership is not "feeble" and "corrupt" (as he claims).

Less mindful people who let others do their thinking for them are starting to BELIEVE his lies... and that make it easy for them to turn away from the Democratic party and support "alternative" politicians like Jill Stein.

These are not the words and actions of someone who's trying to help the Democratic party. This is what someone like Dick Cheney or Ted Cruz or Mike Pence or Rick Santorum or Ann Coulter or Barbara Bachmann would say.

All I'm saying is that no LOYAL Democrat would remain silent in response to the any of those right-wing assholes telling the same lies and making the same denigrating smears... and it simply serves no good purpose to remain silent while a supposed "ally" spouts these disgusting lies about Democrats and the Democratic party.

[rusty quoin]

331. This thread is maybe the the longest I've seen. So I went to the very bottom.

I too am a FDR Democrat. There is nothing extreme about that. I don’t care that Bernie is not a Democrat. His politics are more of what I want the party to be like than many others.

I lived in Indiana for a few years, and Evan Bayh was a Senator then. So was Richard Lugar, and I liked him better. He worked with Obama to secure highly enriched uranium. He was old school, willing to work across the aisle to accomplish good things. I believe he was the last of his Republican kind.

Now, let’s take Evan Bayh. At the time, I called his office many times not to vote for this or that. And there was one guarantee, and that was he voted for what I did not want.

He went directly into lobbying when he left.

I would take Bernie over Evan any day. To me it is easy. Choose the people over big money. Swing the Democrat Party to do the same. It is what we should have continued since 1932.

[Power 2 the People]

333. Amen Rusty

Excellent example. Some on this board think just because some politician puts a (D) after their name that they are really a Democrat. If you are a Democrat,act and vote like a Democrat.

After delivering an hourlong stump speech, the Vermont senator opened the floor to questions at the Boone County Fairgrounds.

“I want to know if you are the next coming of FDR. We will fight for you if you will fight the Republicans in Congress,” said one man in the crowd of about 400 people. “I voted eight years ago for hope and change, and I’m still waiting.”

Sanders, an independent, is seeking the Democratic nomination for president. On Saturday, the second day of a three-day Iowa swing, he pointed out how FDR called the wealthy protectors of the status quo “economic royalists.”

“He said, ‘They hate my guts. Never have they hated someone as much as they hate me. And I welcome their hatred,’ ” Sanders said.

“And let me echo that today: If the Koch brothers and the billionaire class hate my guts, I welcome their hatred. Because I am going to stand with working families.”

The status quo got us Trump. We must rediscover who we are in order to take this country back.

[Cha]

345. Why does BS bash the Demcratic Party by saying

"they are the party of 1% and Not for workers" if "the votes with the Democratic Party 90% of the time"

Why is he disingenuously bashing the Democratic Party that he votes with 90% of the time? What does that say about him?

[NurseJackie]

357. From what I can see, these attacks are part of (or followed-up with) a request for money.

Why does BS bash the Demcratic Party

From what I can see, these attacks are often part of (or followed-up with) a request for money. Generally speaking, when a politician behaves like that, it's not difficult for people to determine where his (or her) priorities are. That's a very cynical ploy in my opinion. If someone is supposed to be considered an "ally" of the Democratic party, that's certainly not the way to show it.

All I'm trying to say here is that the lies we're hearing are harming the Democratic party. It plays into the "both parties are the same" bullshit.

[Cha]

360. Yeah, it's obvious where

his priorities are.

It directly conflicts with ours and the Democratic Party's Priority of TAKING BACK THE HOUSE. GOTV

Why do you vote with the Dems BS if they're "the Party of 1% and Not workers"?

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[MrsCoffee]

358. And you think Bernie could get elected in Indiana?

Why do some folks intentionally miss the point?

It's better to have someone who tilts the majority in your favor and who votes with you 80-90 percent of the time vs. a Republican. There is a reason that Red State Democrats tend to be a bit more conservative. And there is a reason that people keep pushing back against the purity brigade. The purity brigade attacked Hillary left and right and helped usher in the nightmare we are all living.

Why must the perfect always be the enemy of the good?

[betsuni]

338. "All of you ... have no idea what goes on behind closed doors in Washington. He does!"

But that makes him an insider ... the ... err ... should I say it? ... the ESTABLISHMENT.

[Power 2 the People]

339. Or an observer of said "establishment"

[betsuni]

343. So you mean he has no power or leadership position?

I thought leadership was very important. Observers are usually writers or comedians or journalists.

[Cha]

342. Oh Wah. I'm tired of BS gratuitously Bashing the

Democratic Party. Talk to BS and tell him to stop if you don't want pushback.

[heaven05]

366. exactly

but you know how they will pick up their marbles while whining and crying over the truth of BS lying about our Party and sit out the election. I really have been taught the truth about the BS faction since 2016. The hard way of interacting with them during the primaries. That was enough. I will never trust them with my political future or safety. EVER.

[SHRED]

351. My reply

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[NurseJackie]

362. Excellent reply, Shred!

SHRED @Hobie_SHRED

Claiming the Democratic Party only serves "just the 1%" is a fucking lie that damages @TheDemocrats and helps the #GOPTraitors .
I supported you in the primaries and now see the error of my ways.
10:14 AM - Jul 29, 2018

See SHRED's other Tweets

Excellent reply, Shred! You tell it like it is! (No doubt that will bother him and I hope you're not "blocked" soon.)

[SHRED]

363. Thanks

[Cha]

370. Aloha, Jackie! That's what I said..

SHRED told it exactly how it is!

[pbmus]

364. Bingo....

I just don’t understand his game plan...

We are in this together and bashing democrats is not helpful.

[Cha]

368. I know you did.. Thank You so much, SHRED!

You told it exactly how it is.

[SHRED]

369. My pleasure

[heaven05]

367. too many people

know the truth about minor factions and leaders of the factions who never want to be a Democrat, own words, not mine, just allied to our Party.

Within our Party Democrats are about saving our Party from the fascists and others intent on sowing lies, discord, confusion and mistrust. We are unifying under the banner of the Democratic Party, NOT the Democratic-socialist party. Period.