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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSomeone -- Mueller or the Pentagon -- has to speak to Americans, confounded by a growing darkness.
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"What you're seeing and what you're reading is not whats happening, says 45.
Journalism is doing its world class best. But 45's government is disappearing evidence as he mounts an internal war of presidential disinformation to wage against Americans.
But Americans need even more light and less heat about what is happening to what was once their country.
1. Militarily --
Today, the Russian Ministry of Defense slammed US Gen. Joseph Votel, accused Votel of discrediting President Trump's position after Votel expressed hesitancy about working with Russia in Syria.
The Russian Ministry claimed that General Votel not only discredited the official position of his supreme commander-in-chief, but also exacerbated the illegality, under international law and US law, of the military presence of American servicemen in Syria, in an interview Votel gave to ABC News.
Which raises the question of when Trump ordered that Votel and Centcom cooperate with the Russian military in Syria -- contrary to the armed services committee's report that prohibits military-to-military cooperation with Russia. Since when does the Russian military get to publicly discredit any American general. Since when, as Rachel says, does a foreign military power interfere in our chain of command.
2. Domestically --
Monday, the House and Senate armed services committees released their compromise defense bill for 2019 that once again renewed a prohibition on "military-to-military cooperation" with Russia.
"In regard to Syria, what we do with the Russian Federation is we de-conflict our operations, we do not coordinate them," Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis said.
Is Putin now the American military's commander-in-chief for General Votel in US Centcom Syria. US General Votel seems to say he does not know who is in command. Was it during the secret Helsinki meeting that Putin and his Russian Ministry of Defense were accorded authority in Syria.
3. Diplomatically --
All this military drama happens after this fake president, for four days after his secret meeting in Helsinki, actually entertained Putin's demand that he send the US Secretary of State and other officials to Russia for interrogation, on penalty of filing a Red Notice with Interpol. International drama, as if the US "invaded" some Russia election.
Journalists reveal, so far, that no common sense rules of law seem to exist that can throw legal hurdles to keep Trump from complying with Putin, because neither the international nor domestic orgs are revealing to rest of us how these dramas threaten or defend this country's constitution or its people.
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The dramatic shifts -- from Mueller's civilian jurisdiction to our military's Syrian/Middle East jurisdiction to our diplomats' international security -- must tell Americans that this country's national security is neither national nor secure.
If this is the global -- or Russian -- plan to break down a major military power and its civilian government, we can only hope it's not working.
Someone -- Mueller or the Pentagon -- has to speak to Americans who live confounded in a once-great country -- as domestic law and order, as the worlds greatest military and diplomacy apparatus now languish in diminished normalcy, truth, reality and country as their leaders shrink and world looks away, aghast.
shanny
(6,709 posts)And let Mueller do his job.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)Force Dump to make the decision that we all know he will. He will order Votel to cooperate per his KGB handler Putin.
triron
(21,984 posts)Hekate
(90,565 posts)...Representatives and Senators.
triron
(21,984 posts)Good luck with that!
ancianita
(35,954 posts)that Mueller, in all his constitutional law and order strength, won't be able to do, even with hundreds of indictments of conspiracy to commit treason.
He'll have to have all the help that our journalists, diplomatic corps, military and intelligence communities, judicial system and federal law enforcement can do to act on his findings, here and abroad.
Mueller is only the start.
The path we need is beyond the political one.
That's what Americans need to see.
ancianita
(35,954 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10920672
-- felt the breadth of it all, and just had to get this off my chest.
It's not just me, here. Others touch on variations of what we've experienced since Helsinki -- all the range of negative feelings even beyond throwing up our hands, or laughing ironically or hysterically.