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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 01:47 AM Jul 2018

What The Rise Of Kamala Harris Tells Us About The Democratic Party

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In the days after Hillary Clinton’s defeat, the two people who seemed like the Democratic Party’s most obvious 2020 candidates, then-Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, hinted that Clinton had gone too far in talking about issues of identity. “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman; vote for me,’” Sanders said. Other liberals lamented that the party had lost white voters in such states as Ohio and Iowa who had supported Barack Obama, and they said Democrats needed to dial back the identity talk to win them back.

But that view never took hold among party activists. Liberal-leaning women were emboldened to talk about gender more, not less, after the 2016 election. We’ve had women’s marches and women running for office in greater numbers than ever — all while emphasizing their gender. President Trump’s moves kept identity issues at the forefront, too, and gave Democrats an opportunity both to defend groups they view as disadvantaged and to attack the policies of a president they hate.

The Democratic Party hasn’t simply maintained its liberalism on identity; the party is perhaps further to the left on those issues than it was even one or two years ago. Biden and Sanders are still viable presidential contenders. But in this environment, so is a woman who is the daughter of two immigrants (one from Jamaica and the other from India); who grew up in Oakland, graduated from Howard and rose through the political ranks of the most liberal of liberal bastions, San Francisco; who was just elected to the Senate in 2016 and, in that job, declared that “California represents the future” and pushed Democrats toward a government shutdown last year to defend undocumented immigrants; and who regularly invokes slavery in her stump speech. (“We are a nation of immigrants. Unless you are Native American or your people were kidnapped and placed on a slave ship, your people are immigrants.”)

Sen. Kamala Harris has not officially said she is running in 2020, but she hasn’t denied it, either, and she’s showing many of the signs of someone who is preparing for a run, including campaigning for her Democratic colleagues in key races and signing a deal to write a book. The Californian ranks low in polls of the potential Democratic 2020 field, and she doesn’t have the name recognition of other contenders. (Her first name is still widely mispronounced — it’s COM-ma-la.) But betting markets have her near the top, reflecting the view among political insiders that Harris could win the Democratic nomination with a coalition of well-educated whites and blacks, the way Obama did in 2008.
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What The Rise Of Kamala Harris Tells Us About The Democratic Party (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 OP
She is my number one choice, same with most of my friends, Celerity Jul 2018 #1
A new generation is going too represent the largest voting bloc in 2018 and 2020 Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #3
Same here. She's my top choice and nobody else comes close. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #6
She is my senator lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #2
Usual advice for a new Senator is keep your head down and work. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #4
She is my Senator as well. I think she will come on strong Celerity Jul 2018 #5
"It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman; vote for me,'" Sanders said. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #7
I copied and pasted GaryCnf Jul 2018 #8
Fixed that. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #9
Thanks GaryCnf Jul 2018 #10
What put a dictator in the White House was racism and white denial (with help from Russia). Garrett78 Jul 2018 #12
You can save that GaryCnf Jul 2018 #14
I like her jcgoldie Jul 2018 #11
I like her a lot Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #13

Celerity

(43,039 posts)
1. She is my number one choice, same with most of my friends,
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 01:55 AM
Jul 2018

who like me are late millennials or also early gen Z'ers. Much prefer her to Biden or Sanders.

But first we work on GOTV in 2018!

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
3. A new generation is going too represent the largest voting bloc in 2018 and 2020
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 02:02 AM
Jul 2018

I see her connecting strongly with those younger voters.

lapfog_1

(29,189 posts)
2. She is my senator
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 01:56 AM
Jul 2018

but I hardly know anything about her. That's a problem for her running in 2020.

She rarely gets any press and I really don't understand why.

I know Elizabeth Warren a whole lot more. Even Barbara Boxer is better known and likely more popular even here in California.

If she wants to run in 2020 she better start making those appointments on the news programs and for more than a soundbite or two.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
4. Usual advice for a new Senator is keep your head down and work.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 02:08 AM
Jul 2018

This usually goes on for two years. I suspect we will see more of her after the midterms.

Celerity

(43,039 posts)
5. She is my Senator as well. I think she will come on strong
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 02:09 AM
Jul 2018

on 2019. We are much more worried about 2018, especially the Senate as we want ALL possible Trump nominees for the Supreme court blocked until 2021, if any more vacancies arise. I don't want to grow up in a pre Brown v Board (and all civil rights striving after) nation.
Makes me sick we probably cannot stop this Kavanaugh retrograde RW asshat. I still hold hope!

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
7. "It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman; vote for me,'" Sanders said.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 05:25 AM
Jul 2018

Last edited Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:26 AM - Edit history (1)

This is where Sanders and Co. go so wrong. Much of what they advocate for is perfectly reasonable and far too often dismissed as extremist or fringe or "far left." ***But*** they couldn't be more wrong on the subject of "identity politics." And that quote implying that Clinton had no message other than "I'm a woman; vote for me" is terribly insulting and just plain wrong. Will he dare to say, "It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a Black woman; vote for me'" when he's competing against Kamala Harris for the 2020 nomination?

Bernie and his fan club also have a messaging problem in that they don't seem to understand what socialism is. Many mistakenly seem to think anything publicly funded (schools, police and fire, etc.) is an example of socialism. They confuse socialism with Social Democracy (e.g., the Nordic Model).

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Anyway, to repeat a post I made a while back:

No Democratic presidential candidate has won the white vote since LBJ. In other words, "economic anxiety" has persisted since the Civil Rights Act. That, of course, is a coincidence.

And the large minority of white folks voting Dem, as well as the large majority of persons of color voting Dem, don't experience economic anxiety.

And the Republican position on labor rights, wage stagnation, equal pay, health insurance and every other issue important to working people is clearly superior to the Democratic position on those issues. Such as the recent Supreme Court ruling (quite favorable to workin' folk, right?).

Racism, sexism, xenophobia and jingoism has nothing to do with Republican support.

The end.

In case it wasn't obvious, the preceding was a bit of sarcasm.

Or, as I also wrote not long ago:

People often bemoan the fact that millions vote against their economic interests. But the reason why is clear. They are voting *for* their perceived cultural/social interests.

Absent racism, the Republican Party would cease to be viable. The Democratic Party message is infinitely better on every issue that should matter to working people.

In Ohio, Rob Portman (a major advocate of NAFTA) outperformed Trump. So much for the issue of trade (and opposition to NAFTA) being oh so important to Trump voters.

It's been postulated that social injustices are caused by wealth or income disparities. So, if we address the latter, we'll address the former. That reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between social and economic justice.

I'm sympathetic to what many dismiss as "far left" points of view, but this is one major issue that many leftists get wrong. In fact, you might even say people who make the above claim have it completely backwards. The fostering and exploitation of bigotry (along with race-based voter suppression and gerrymandering) is what enables Republicans to win political victories, which leads to right wing economic policies being enacted. Those policies hurt more than anyone those who are already most oppressed. Then, the wealth gap between white individuals and persons of color is justified using various stereotypes.

This has been the case since the founding of the US on the genocide of one people and the enslavement of another. Remember, race is a social construct. And "whiteness" (along with its supposed superiority) was an invention borne out of the need to prevent a united front by all poor, oppressed people. Whites would be indentured servants with light at the end of the tunnel, while Negroes would be kept in bondage. Poor whites would be thrown a bone (and a whole lot of propaganda), enough to make them feel superior, enough to make them feel like they had more in common with their oppressors than their fellow oppressed.

Social Security (initially), the GI Bill, access to housing and other investment opportunities, the right to vote, access to higher education, access to employment with a decent wage, access to a fair trial and so much more was essentially denied to persons of color and women. Those injustices (even those that were seemingly resolved) continue to impact the present, including the wealth gap between white households and black and brown households, between men and women. Therefore, a rising tide has not historically lifted all boats. Ta-Nehisi Coates makes "The Case for Reparations."

This is why social justice victories (legalizing gay marriage) and breaking barriers (first Black POTUS, first woman POTUS, first transgender state legislator, etc.) constitute more than mere symbolism. They are cracks in the facade, and crucial steps toward addressing economic injustice.

Much has been made of the *white* working class, or even white working class men. Democrats already do better than Republicans among the working class. In saying Democrats shouldn't go out of their way to appeal to *white* working class men, the point isn't to denigrate that subset of the population. The point is that the Democratic Party platform should already appeal to the working class. And, for the most part, it does, based on exit polls following every election.

Why speak specifically of *white* working class folks? We all know why. Either it's because there's this assumption that only white people work or experience economic anxiety (horribly racist and obviously false), or it's because a certain portion of *white* working class folks are voting based on factors that have nothing to do with candidate positions on wage stagnation, workplace safety, health care, equal pay, paid family leave and all of the other issues that should matter to the working class. If that's the case, and I think we all know that it is, what does one suggest Democratic candidates do?

Should Democratic candidates not talk about criminal injustice, the race-based "War on Drugs," race-based voter suppression, a path to citizenship and the fact that US policy has been a driver of immigration all around the world, reproductive rights, equal pay, a culture that suggests sexual assault is tolerable, and so on? If not talking about those things, or - worse - taking the opposite position is what it will take to win over a certain subset of the population, then that's just too bad. As Dr. King said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Just as some rich folks recognize the danger of extreme economic disparity, we should all want less disparity (in terms of wealth, criminal justice, medical care, housing, etc.) between white folks and persons of color, between men and women, between gay and straight. Get on board with Democrats or lose, because ultimately "the arc of the moral universe bends toward justice."

Going back to the invention of race/whiteness, the fostering and exploitation of bigotries has enabled economic disparities in the US. Economic disparities aren't what enable racism and sexism, though economic disparities are used - after the fact - as justification for social/cultural wealth disparities (again, stereotypes are used to justify the wealth gap between black and white households, for instance). Racism and sexism are what enable economic disparities. Whiteness and patriarchy had to be invented as a means to divide and conquer.

We must address racism (including xenophobia) and sexism head-on. If we don't, there's no hope of substantially redistributing wealth or opportunity. A common response to what I’ve written is that “we must fight for both economic and social justice” or that “it’s not an either-or situation.” Of course it isn’t. Of course Democrats and all people of conscience should be fighting for progressive taxation and closing tax loopholes, paid family leave, universal health care, ending imperialism, and so on. My point, though, is that right wing economic viewpoints survive and prosper precisely because of bigotry. Absent racism alone (to say nothing of other forms of bigotry), the Republican Party would cease to be viable. Let's imagine waking up tomorrow in a world that is magically free of racism (including xenophobia). Does anyone honestly think the Republican Party could sustain itself on right wing economic policy, right wing health care policy, right wing foreign policy and right wing environmental policy? Absent racism, there's no chance that party would survive. Support for right wing policy would all but disappear.

And we must recognize that a rising tide is not sufficient. Measures must be taken to reverse history, so to speak. A good place to start: https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/.

Lastly, a message for the young folks and others who are hoping for a viable left wing alternative to the Democratic Party in this 2-party system of ours. The first step is ending the viability of the Republican Party. And we do that by significantly diminishing racism, sexism, heterosexism and xenophobia (because that, and not right wing economic policy, is what's keeping the GOP alive). In the meantime, you need to support the only viable party that stands in the way of fascism. And you need to recognize that addressing social injustice is key to addressing economic injustice.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
8. I copied and pasted
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:14 AM
Jul 2018

this reply into a Word document and searched for the words "Kamala" and "Harris."

Unsurprisingly, neither came up.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
10. Thanks
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:39 AM
Jul 2018

It was such a shame that you had not even mentioned what she stood for, merely sought to villanize who you perceive as an enemy.

After this type of "politicking" put a dictator in the white house, I thought more people would have learned.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. What put a dictator in the White House was racism and white denial (with help from Russia).
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:49 AM
Jul 2018

Racism and white denial that has been fostered and exploited over the course of 50 years (from Nixon's Southern Strategy to Reagan's dog whistling to the Tea Party response to a Black president).

Kamala Harris (my top choice for 2020, as I posted in my other comment in this thread) and other Democrats recognize that the attacks on "identity politics" (i.e., talking openly and honestly about racism and sexism) are a bunch of BS being promoted by BS and his acolytes. This debate represents a defining moment for our party (and it's at the core of the 538 article, which I was addressing--meaning I was addressing what Kamala Harris and others stand for). I'm strongly on the side of those who, unlike Bernie Sanders, are not dismissive of the enormous role racism plays in Republican victories.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
14. You can save that
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 06:52 AM
Jul 2018

For someone that doesn't know it's all bullshit that one set of Wypipo throws at another set of Wypipo.

You can save that for someone whose political awakening did not come down on Grove literally at the knee of Marxists Cleaver and Seale and our now-mourned brother.

You can save that for someone who doesn't know that, while white leftists only see half the problem, the ONLY thing the establishment does is "talk" about us as they do nothing because the biggest fear in their political lives is that we will become the "party of Willie Horton;" for someone who doesn't see brothers swept up and shipped off to prison for the rest of their lives while your heroes attacked who would become the greatest president of all times for opposing mandatory minimums; for someone who doesn't see the gun laws offered to placate the fear of suburban white folks every time one of their darlings shoots up their school used instead to put us in chains; and, for someone who doesn't hear our "heroes" preaching about the dignity of working at some shit minimum wage job instead of fighting for the kind of public assistance that would allow them to change their lives.

Save it for Wypipo looking to pat themselves on the back for how much they do for us because year in and year out we turn out 90%+ for weak substitutes for Seale, for Shabazz, for Garvey, Robinson, for (the true and unknown) Dr. King and for many others but are so f'ing oblivious to what oppression really means that they never stopped to consider that the only reason we do is because we actually lose something other than an election when Republicans win, we lose more than higher prices for Coca Cola.

Go right ahead, spew that shit about how much better the establishment is for people of color, how little "leftists" care. Try to divide us. It works here just fine. It doesn't work on the street and as we found out it doesn't work to get us to the polls.

Just take it to someone who doesn't know better.

Stinky The Clown

(67,750 posts)
13. I like her a lot
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 08:32 AM
Jul 2018

And for the record, Sanders is NOT a Democrat and never was. He was given a rent-free ride on our primary machine.

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