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Coventina

(27,063 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 02:14 PM Jul 2018

Thai boys rescued from cave consider ordaining as Buddhist monks

The 12 boys who were trapped in a flooded cave system in northern Thailand said at a press conference that they are considering becoming novice monks as a tribute to Saman Kunan, the 38-year-old former Thai Navy Seal who died during rescue efforts.

Banphot Konkum, father of 13-year-old Duangpetch Promthep, one of the team members, said all the Wild Boars will enter monkhood to honor Kunan.

In Theravada Buddhism, ordaining as a monk is a holy act. Those who ordain are believed to acquire a great deal of merit because they are devoting themselves to studying the teachings of the Buddha. In Buddhism, merit is understood as the value created by performing a wholesome activity, such as meditating. Many Buddhists practice “dedicating merit” to others (see an explanation and instruction from Lama Palden Drolma). If the boys become novice monks, they will donate their gained merit to Kunan’s memory.

“We are planning the date and will do it whenever all the families are all ready,” Banphot said.

Read more:

https://www.lionsroar.com/thai-cave-monks/?utm_source=Lion%27s+Roar+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3a28b5241c-TS-July-24-2018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1988ee44b2-3a28b5241c-23532693&goal=0_1988ee44b2-3a28b5241c-23532693&mc_cid=3a28b5241c&mc_eid=571c3043e6

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Please note: This is a common practice throughout SE Asia, becoming a novice monk is not a life-long commitment to being a monk. Many young boys spend a few years as novice monks before assuming full adult (secular) responsibilities. So they are not making a life-long choice to be a monk just yet.

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Thai boys rescued from cave consider ordaining as Buddhist monks (Original Post) Coventina Jul 2018 OP
They already did (minus one who is Christian). n/t demmiblue Jul 2018 #1
OK, apologies if my info is outdated. Coventina Jul 2018 #3
No apologies necessary... I was going to link to an article, but demmiblue Jul 2018 #6
Thanks, I felt it was important in case people were thinking Coventina Jul 2018 #7
They did it, Wednesday night (Thailand is 12 hours ahead of our EST). They'll be monks for one week DonViejo Jul 2018 #2
See my post above, apologies. Coventina Jul 2018 #4
Apology accepted but not needed; much appreciated though! Stuff happens. DonViejo Jul 2018 #5
What a beautiful gesture and a beautiful tradition. defacto7 Jul 2018 #8
strikes me as a terrible waste of salvaged lives Brainstormy Jul 2018 #9
Yes nine days of contemplation and examination of personal values grantcart Jul 2018 #11
I would do that myself if I could. For me, at least I can go into the wilderness and decompress. Tipperary Jul 2018 #31
it's to honor someone that gave his life for them JI7 Jul 2018 #12
You clearly know nothing about Buddhist monks. Coventina Jul 2018 #13
as a matter of fact Brainstormy Jul 2018 #14
I have for 10 essme Jul 2018 #17
I was not referring to a short period of contemplation Brainstormy Jul 2018 #20
Again, you clearly do not know what Buddhist monks actually do. Coventina Jul 2018 #21
Ok, you tell me Brainstormy Jul 2018 #35
Many of them teach in various capacities. Coventina Jul 2018 #39
So you teach comparitive religions? Here's a clue: they are embedded in cultures... Hekate Jul 2018 #45
I wondered when all the anti religion folks would show up. Where are all the others? Tipperary Jul 2018 #16
Hi..here I am :) Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #18
Learning to swim would have made absolutely no difference. Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #19
Ditto what Crunchy Frog said, plus, you are clearly ignorant about Buddhism. Coventina Jul 2018 #22
Ahem... Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #24
That is animism, not Buddhism. Coventina Jul 2018 #25
Nah... Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #27
Buddhism doesn't have gods. So, no, it's not OK to lump them all together. Coventina Jul 2018 #29
I think those boys and their families would disagree. Tipperary Jul 2018 #30
The same could be said for imaginary lines on a map, LanternWaste Jul 2018 #33
Hopefully if you get involved in GOTV efforts onenote Jul 2018 #34
Why? What's that mean? n/t Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #36
It's obvious what it means onenote Jul 2018 #38
Not really.... Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #40
Rant all you want, it doesn't change anything, especially minds... RichardRay Jul 2018 #42
And your attitude will keep people like Trump in office onenote Jul 2018 #44
Actually no.. Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #46
It seems obvious that you can't hide your condescension onenote Jul 2018 #47
Wow, is your username a cry for help? N/M RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #23
I imagine they do more than wasting their time on message boards as do we. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #32
Boom. Nail on the head there LW! Tipperary Jul 2018 #48
Here it is from earlier today ... left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #10
i think they were asked what they want to do when they get older and some said Navy Seals JI7 Jul 2018 #15
So some folks who haven't walked 6 inches in these boys shoes are critical of their decisions onenote Jul 2018 #26
I doubt if it's the boys decision, yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2018 #28
Why not become First Responders and work to save other lives? NightWatcher Jul 2018 #37
Because they're kids. N/T RichardRay Jul 2018 #41
"because they're kids"... Fix The Stupid Jul 2018 #43

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
6. No apologies necessary... I was going to link to an article, but
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 02:27 PM
Jul 2018

I got a call.

(also, I appreciated your note about the practice)

Coventina

(27,063 posts)
7. Thanks, I felt it was important in case people were thinking
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jul 2018

these very young boys were making a life-long commitment at such a young age.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. Yes nine days of contemplation and examination of personal values
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jul 2018

Is a terrible waste ( which almost all Thais boys do) and results in a substantially lower rate of adolescent and post adolescent Male violence than similar aged pop in the US.

Tragic loss of 9 whole days in a young man's life to work on meditation and self discovery and discipline.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
31. I would do that myself if I could. For me, at least I can go into the wilderness and decompress.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jul 2018

But I admire them for their effort in honoring the man who died for them.

essme

(1,207 posts)
17. I have for 10
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 08:20 AM
Jul 2018

I would put my graduate hours up to yours for comparison. Of course, I really don't care because you are just someone on the internet- I doubt you care much about me either.

I see so much value in people taking the time to meditate and reflect upon life. Monks are "not a waste," unless you are a capitalist who just believes in the adage "time is money."



Brainstormy

(2,380 posts)
20. I was not referring to a short period of contemplation
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:00 AM
Jul 2018

or meditation. I was not aware that this was a very brief commitment. I was referring to long-term cloistering.

Coventina

(27,063 posts)
21. Again, you clearly do not know what Buddhist monks actually do.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jul 2018

Particularly in SE Asia.

Yes, different orders have different foci, but they hardly do nothing.

Coventina

(27,063 posts)
39. Many of them teach in various capacities.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jul 2018

Such as giving lessons in foreign languages (like English).

A lot of them also are involved in health services, such as nursing and other types of care.

A great many of them function as counselors to their local communities, giving emotional and psychological support.

Of course a lot of them focus study on Buddhism and spreading Buddhist teachings.

In addition to that, most of them spend a significant time supporting themselves by growing food, making their robes, and other tasks related to everyday life.

It's a very busy life, most of it dedicated to improving the communities in which they live.

If they belong to a cloistered community, it's somewhat different of course, but even there they do a lot of manual labor that supports their cloistered community.

Hekate

(90,560 posts)
45. So you teach comparitive religions? Here's a clue: they are embedded in cultures...
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 04:00 PM
Jul 2018

You can read the original texts of the Old Testament and New Testament, but they don't tell you much about how Christianity was practiced in the European Dark Ages or is practiced in the US of 2018.

The practice of Buddhism is embedded in many different cultures, all of which affect how it is expressed.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
16. I wondered when all the anti religion folks would show up. Where are all the others?
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 08:13 AM
Jul 2018

Strangely silent.

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
18. Hi..here I am :)
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 08:58 AM
Jul 2018

I don't know...maybe they should teach them to swim before this silly monk stuff?

Just a thought...might have helped them a couple weeks ago...

Not sure how them being 'monks' would have helped them anyway...

Oh yeah...maybe if they were 'ordained' prior to taking that silly trek, their 'cave god' might not have flooded the place in anger...

Such silliness...when will 'we' move on from this BS?

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
19. Learning to swim would have made absolutely no difference.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 09:44 AM
Jul 2018

Their situation was so far beyond simple swimming as to make your proposition utterly preposterous.

They did benefit a great deal from meditation helping them to stay calm and conserve energy. Led by their coach, who I believe had similar monk training.

I'm not religious either, but that's no justification for being patently ridiculous.

Coventina

(27,063 posts)
22. Ditto what Crunchy Frog said, plus, you are clearly ignorant about Buddhism.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:06 AM
Jul 2018

Where on earth are you getting "cave god" from?

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
24. Ahem...
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 11:02 AM
Jul 2018

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-cave-princess-20180627-story.html

"The statute is of Jao Mae Nang Non — which roughly translates as the reclining goddess — and her name is shared with the cave, Tham Luang Nang Non, as well as the surrounding mountain, Doi Nang Non.

Her legend — and, in turn, how her spirit came to linger in the cave in Chiang Rai province's far northern Mae Sai district near Myanmar — is similar to dozens of other tales across a country whose belief system and folklore are heavily influenced by Brahmin, Buddhist and animist traditions."

"I don't know what upset her. But we will make an offering to please her," she said. "I hope she will be kind and let the boys come home."


Coventina

(27,063 posts)
25. That is animism, not Buddhism.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
Jul 2018

It's fine to be anti-religion, but at least know which religion of which you are making fun.

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
27. Nah...
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jul 2018

I think we can lump them all in...

Silly, backwards, anti-progressive - the adjectives could go on forever...

It's 2018. Not 1018. Time for everyone to grow up.

You got a shit-stain in the white house now - brought to you by religion - so pardon me if my tone is a little off...the time for coddling or respecting this stupid stuff is over. There's too much at stake to put your hopes in cave gods and the like...

I find ridicule to be the best weapon against stupidity.

Your mileage may vary.




Coventina

(27,063 posts)
29. Buddhism doesn't have gods. So, no, it's not OK to lump them all together.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jul 2018

That's being intellectually dishonest.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
30. I think those boys and their families would disagree.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jul 2018

And they get to decide who or what they worship.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. The same could be said for imaginary lines on a map,
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jul 2018

"Silly, backwards, anti-progressive..."
Or imaginary numbers in our wallets. Or imaginary forms of governments. The list of the magic thinking we base so many daily decisions on could, as you say, go on forever.

But I get it... the important thing is that hold what we dislike to a much higher standard than what we hold our own biases to; otherwise, we may wind up being rational and consistent.

onenote

(42,598 posts)
34. Hopefully if you get involved in GOTV efforts
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jul 2018

no one sends you to talk to African-American or Latino groups.

onenote

(42,598 posts)
38. It's obvious what it means
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jul 2018

But I'll spell it out anyway. The African-American and Latino communities view religion a bit more positively than you do. And like most people, they can sense when someone who is talking to them doesn't have much respect for their beliefs.

Clear enough for you now?

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
40. Not really....
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:36 PM
Jul 2018

Sounds like you are saying these "groups" (your words, not mine) value religious 'litmus' tests before anything else...how's that working out for ya?

Imagine that...inferring a shared quality/characteristic to an entire group/race/ethnicity...

And not even a hint of irony...

Some racism = good, some racism = bad.

DU in a nutshell.

And yeah, I don't care what any 'believer' cares about any longer - they put trump in the whitehouse - they own him and need to answer for him.


onenote

(42,598 posts)
44. And your attitude will keep people like Trump in office
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jul 2018

Because your "little tent" approach is not a winning one.

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
46. Actually no..
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jul 2018

It's the idiots who voted for trump who will keep him in office...

Surely you know how that works? It happens every 4 years in your country...it's quite a big deal.

And fuck anyone who votes or voted for this turd because their religious convictions led them to that decision.

Are you honestly suggesting we can change voters minds on a message board? THIS board? You really believe that?

Fuck me..that's scary...

But please, tell us more about how these "African American and Latino groups"... "can sense when someone who is talking to them doesn't have much respect for their beliefs."

I'd love for you to expand on this.

Is this not an assertion that these groups will vote for the jesus candidate no matter what?

Who gives a flying fuck what someone with that mindset believes anyway? Why cater to these people who only care if the candidate is religious? Fuck them.

It's time for the adults to take charge. The intellectuals. Not 'god botherer' types who put this animal in the office in the 1st place...they have spoken - we know what they want, we know their expectations, and we know how far they'll go to make sure their candidate wins...

You can keep trying to reach these people, but I believe that ship has sailed. Time to appeal to rationality.

And, please, do it fast - can't take another 4 years of this shithead.






JI7

(89,240 posts)
15. i think they were asked what they want to do when they get older and some said Navy Seals
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 07:38 AM
Jul 2018

some wanted to be a doctor.

how they practice buddhism can help them just like how the Coach taught what he learned as a buddhist monk to help himself and the boys get through the time being in that cave.

they were there like 10 days when they were found and were in much better than expected health. especially mentally .

i think this is a great way to honor the man who gave his life for them.

onenote

(42,598 posts)
26. So some folks who haven't walked 6 inches in these boys shoes are critical of their decisions
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jul 2018

Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Fix The Stupid

(947 posts)
43. "because they're kids"...
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 03:16 PM
Jul 2018


Wish that same excuse would apply when we're talking about religious indoctrination...

Imagine the world we could be living in?

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