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Gothmog

(145,107 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:15 PM Jul 2018

Washington Post-Without the Russians, Trump wouldn't have won

I agree with Max Boot's analysis. Without Russia, trump would have lost https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/without-the-russians-trump-wouldnt-have-won/2018/07/24/f4c87894-8f6b-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.faef1ea10879

President Trump is willing, under duress, to briefly and begrudgingly admit that Russian “meddling” took place in 2016 before reverting to calling it a “big hoax.” But he always maintains that the plot against America had no impact; he describes it as a “Democrat excuse for losing the ’16 Election.” Faithfully echoing the president, other Republicans, such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), say it’s “clear” that the Russian interference “didn’t have a material effect on our elections.” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders even claims that the U.S. intelligence community reached that conclusion.....

While the intelligence agencies are silent on the impact of Russia’s attack, outside experts who have examined the Kremlin campaign — which included stealing and sharing Democratic Party emails, spreading propaganda online and hacking state voter rolls — have concluded that it did affect an extremely close election decided by fewer than 80,000 votes in three states. Clint Watts, a former FBI agent, writes in his recent book, “Messing with the Enemy,” that “Russia absolutely influenced the U.S. presidential election,” especially in Michigan and Wisconsin, where Trump’s winning margin was less than 1 percent in each state.....

Little wonder that Trump said “I love WikiLeaks” and mentioned its revelations 164 times in the last month of the campaign. “This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable,” Trump said on Oct. 12. Eight days later, he marveled, “Boy, that WikiLeaks has done a job on her, hasn’t it?”

Now, by contrast, Trump and his apologists pretend that the Russian intervention — including the WikiLeaks revelations — was no big deal. That beggars belief. Even if the Russians had failed, they still attacked our democracy. Yet they didn’t fail: Trump won. Russian disinformation wasn’t the only factor in the outcome and was probably less important in the end than FBI Director James B. Comey’s announcement 11 days before the election that he was reopening the Clinton email investigation. But Watts concludes: “Without the Russian influence effort, I believe Trump would not have even been within striking distance of Clinton on Election Day.” That is the inconvenient truth the Putin Republicans won’t admit.
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Washington Post-Without the Russians, Trump wouldn't have won (Original Post) Gothmog Jul 2018 OP
Well, he still didn't get the most votes no matter how you look at it Rhiannon12866 Jul 2018 #1
The Russians drug the election to the edge and Comey posted uponit7771 Jul 2018 #2
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #3
Putin Republicans Corgigal Jul 2018 #4
Conservative: Trump would not have won in 2016 without Russia's help Gothmog Jul 2018 #5
K&R... spanone Jul 2018 #6
Yep, Trump's "win" is illegitimate. gulliver Jul 2018 #7

Rhiannon12866

(205,161 posts)
1. Well, he still didn't get the most votes no matter how you look at it
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 08:11 PM
Jul 2018

If they want to call that "winning." So he would have done even worse without Russian "meddling..." We need to keep this on the front pages every single day.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
7. Yep, Trump's "win" is illegitimate.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jul 2018

He still gets to be president, because there is nothing in the Constitution about how to deal with illegitimate wins.

I saw this article and was very glad Boot says what most people should be thinking. Otherwise, we are left with folks on the right constantly telling us how no one thinks the Russians handed Trump the presidency. They're whistling past the graveyard on it though, because that's exactly what happened.

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