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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 11:03 PM Jul 2018

WaPo - Is centrism dead?

Karen Tumulty

In interviews conducted with voters in a dozen states, Third Way says it found little concern for income inequality, something Democrats talk about a lot.

Instead, it heard anxiety about what people sense is happening in their own lives — that good jobs are vanishing; that they don’t have the right skills for a digital, globalized economy; that prospects for their children will be worse.

The think tank has put forward its own set of proposals, to deal with what it calls a “crisis of opportunity.” Among them are replacing unemployment insurance with a program that would also fund job-skills development, and vouchers to help people move to places where there are job openings; a minimum wage that would vary by region; and eliminating all tax on the first $15,000 of earned income.

None of these is likely to generate much excitement on the left. Nor are they proposals you will hear much about during this campaign season, given that midterm elections tend to become referendums on the president’s performance.
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WaPo - Is centrism dead? (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 OP
No. Democrats are centrists. EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #1
NO Dems Are NOT "centrists".. Cha Jul 2018 #7
Pragmatism ONLY works when all sides are pragmatic. If one side is not, pragmatists lose every time TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #9
Agreed of course EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #10
ISn't that actually ABOUT income inequality? dawg day Jul 2018 #2
I'd agree - but some see shrinking middle class as an independent issue Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #11
This article does not actually appear to address that question in any meaningful way oberliner Jul 2018 #3
It seems to be a puff piece for the Third Way thinktank. Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #5
here's hoping shanny Jul 2018 #4
Slate: Centrism is Dead Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #6
Centrism has failed large segments of the American people. Yavin4 Jul 2018 #8

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
1. No. Democrats are centrists.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 11:38 PM
Jul 2018

Ocasio-Cortez’s platform is slightly left in the rest of the world.


Dems ARE centrists.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
10. Agreed of course
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 07:51 AM
Jul 2018

What I’m saying is that Republicans have gone off the deep end and Dems have remained where they were.
So by definition Dems are centrists.

As Mann and Ornstein put it: Dems have gone from their 40 to their 35, while Republicans went out the back of their own end zone.

Republicans want to paint Dems as extreme. There is only one extremist party in America: Republicans.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
2. ISn't that actually ABOUT income inequality?
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 11:45 PM
Jul 2018
Instead, it heard anxiety about what people sense is happening in their own lives — that good jobs are vanishing; that they don’t have the right skills for a digital, globalized economy; that prospects for their children will be worse.

Maybe it just means recasting the terminology, but it's about income, and it's about inequality.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
11. I'd agree - but some see shrinking middle class as an independent issue
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jul 2018

Part of the "service economy" shift - there are endless employment opportunities, but they are in the $8-12/ hr range with limited benefits.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. This article does not actually appear to address that question in any meaningful way
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 11:47 PM
Jul 2018

Do you see anything in the article that attempts to answer that question?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
5. It seems to be a puff piece for the Third Way thinktank.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 12:20 AM
Jul 2018

But I thought the content was interesting enough to post.

I have to say I don't see proposing to change out unemployment insurance for job training and relocation vouchers going over very well.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
6. Slate: Centrism is Dead
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 12:26 AM
Jul 2018
Link

Last week, moderate Democrats gathered for Opportunity 2020, an invite-only convention in Columbus, Ohio, hosted by the prominent centrist think tank Third Way. “Unlike a traditional conference, expect a stimulating mix of thought provoking presentations and interactive small-group sessions focused on the urgent need for the next generation of Democrats to offer a new social contract for the Digital Age,” the event’s webpage read.

NBC News’ account of the event suggests it wound up being little more than a group therapy session for Democrats fretting about the rise of an insurgent left energized by Bernie Sanders’ 2016 campaign and recent high-profile victories for candidates like democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who scored an upset win over Queens Democratic Party boss and incumbent congressman Joe Crowley in a Democratic primary last month. “Third Way unveiled the results of focus groups and polling that it says shows Americans are more receptive to an economic message built on ‘opportunity’ rather than the left’s message about inequality,” reported NBC’s Alex Seitz-Wald. This was heartening stuff for moderates like Delaware’s former Gov. Jack Markell. “The only narrative that has been articulated in the Democratic Party over the past two years is the one from the left,” he lamented. “I think we need a debate within the party.”

That debate over the party’s direction is, of course, well underway, and the left has indeed dominated it. Six proposals to expand the government’s role in providing access to health care have been advanced by Democratic leaders and analysts in recent months. Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for all bill, specifically, has been endorsed by 2020 candidates in waiting Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris. In April, Chuck Schumer announced that he would be introducing a bill to decriminalize marijuana, a move that followed Booker’s introduction last July of the Marijuana Justice Act, which would decriminalize marijuana and provide reparative measures for convicts and communities deeply impacted by the war on drugs. Late last summer, the Democratic Party released its “A Better Deal” policy platform, which called for, among other proposals, a $15 minimum wage and a reinvigoration of antitrust policy to tackle corporate concentration. In her memoir What Happened, Hillary Clinton wrote that she had considered proposing during her campaign a universal basic income program—a welfare measure that would provide cash payments to every American.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
8. Centrism has failed large segments of the American people.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 12:37 AM
Jul 2018

These "think tankers" have no idea of what life is like outside of their bubble world where everyone goes to elite universities and never has to worry about money, health care, transportation, rent, etc.

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