Were votes changed? Check out this article.

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https://www.theroot.com/evidence-shows-hackers-changed-votes-in-the-2016-electi-1827871206

[byronius]

1. Since the beginning the denials have been faint and illogical.

"As absurd as these facts may seem, it is more absurd to believe that Russians hackers didn’t specifically change votes in the 2016 election.

We know, from Vladimir Putin’s own words, that he wanted Trump to win the 2016 election. We know that Russian agents interfered. The entire intelligence community agrees that Russia targeted the election systems in at least 21 states and breached the barriers in at least 8 states.

Every single source agrees that Russian could have changed votes. We know it is not a difficult task. We know it is so easy, even a 16-year-old could do it. Every single shred of publicly available evidence says Russian hackers would have altered voter rolls and votes.

Yet, we are supposed to believe that Vladimir Putin concocted this vast, Soviet-sponsored effort that included propaganda, computer experts, spies and an international ring of hackers, but when he was actually successful at breaking into voting systems, all they did was look around and change nothing?"

[pandr32]

5. I completely agree

[mythology]

2. That's not a serious site

On the other hand, the Washington Post is, and as such offer actual evidence by reviewing recount results. There is zero evidence of actual votes being changed. The refusal to believe that is no different than Republicans claiming in person voter fraud is a thing. You can't explain the votes matching the last pre-election polls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/06/were-2016-vote-counts-in-michigan-and-wisconsin-hacked-we-double-checked/?utm_term=.48d44c0aacf6

But with regards to the article, what sort of idiot uses inescapable and likely in the same sentence to claim proof? But he's also a buffoon who uses racist terms. Can't expect much of him.

[brush]

3. Try to put your bias aside and evaluated the premise being pushed by MSM...

that Russians hacked into multiple state sites and despite their obvious capabilities just went window shopping without altering anything?

Every intel agency has concluded that the Russian interference is why trump is president yet so many refuse to believe that they, despite their capabilities and Putin's own statement in Helsinki that he wanted trump to win and instructed his minions to work towards that end, never altered anything in their intrusions into voter data sites (That Putin statement btw, was so damaging that the trump admin tried to delete it from the public record).

Yet the head-in-the sand naivete persists among the willingly ignorant segment of even Democrats, or those pretending to be.

And regarding the MSM, it's not, according to the article, naivete or willing ignorance. It's just the opposite. It may be a refusal to admit the possibility as that would destroy confidence in our election system and thus our democracy (Sort of like when Gore refused to challenge the theft of his 2000 election win because of the fear of what that would do to the country).

And why do you say "The Root" is not a serious site?

Do you not see how racist it sounds to say that about an African American news site?

[triron]

6. Naysayers come out all the time on this.

[lagomorph777]

10. We'll never protect our elections as long as we believe the mythology that everything is fine.

Which, presumably, is the purpose of mythology.

[brush]

16. I get you, on both levels.

[lagomorph777]

17. Thx

[kcr]

4. One article from last year. Typical.

Meanwhile, this article from the "not serious" site cites multiple sources that are much more recent and you don't even bother to refute any of them.

Besides, the there's no evidence they did anything? defense is still pretty weak. Why would they bother to go through all that trouble to break in, and then do nothing?

[brush]

7. Exactly.

[TheFrenchRazor]

8. i'd say the odds favor it, but of course there has been no serious investigation, because

repugs are crooked and dems are either clueless or helpless. the machines are hackable. period. it would naive indeed to believe with what all we know, the russkies didn't change votes.

[bluestarone]

9. NO INVESTIGATIONS!!!

I will believe VOTES WERE CHANGED, UNTIL an investigation proves different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brooklynite]

13. I will believe THE MOON LANDING WAS A HOAX, UNTIL an investigation proves different!!!!!

[bluestarone]

15. your choice!

and that's your right!

[lunamagica]

11. K&R for visibility.

[brooklynite]

12. Still no evidence...

The "ELECTION SYSTEMS" referred to are not VOTING SYSTEMS. They're voter registration lists. There is no evidence that an unusually high number of voters who otherwise could be expected to have a valid registration showed up and were told their registration didn't exist or was faulty. There is no evidence that vote totals on voting machines were changed. And not one candidate who lost to this alleged vote hacking claims that was what happened.

[Sancho]

14. I'm sure votes were changed

Glad that someone is beginning to say so