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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*** BREAKING*** Cohen alleges he witnessed Don Jr telling dad about upcoming Russia meeting
Cohen alleges he witnessed Don Jr telling dad about upcoming Russia meeting offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.PER CNN
AT FIRST GLANCE THIS SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST BREAKTHROUGH YET. SORRY FOR THE ALL CAPS
SING ALONG
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)mobeau69
(11,139 posts)Just shopping for a deal from Mueller.
lancelyons
(988 posts)yep thats what I think as well. If he was in Prague working on details of the help.. as the dossier claimed then that would be pretty big.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)LiberalBrooke
(527 posts)It does not seem very smart to me except I assume he is looking for a better deal from someone.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Was it Lanny Davis, his lawyer? Or...???
Why put your cards on the table at this point? It only helps Trump to prepare. Unless it's a message to Trump: see what I have to turn over? This is the easy stuff. So I need my legal fees paid and some assurance of an immediate pardon. Or I'll have to testify to everything.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Talked to Cohen yesterday. Cohen told Donny it was best if he just stayed quiet now.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,273 posts)taken via the search warrants on Cohen for attorney-client privilege is holding up the works. I'm sure the special master is working quickly, but her insertion into the case has set everything else back weeks. Cohen might want to "flip", but there's not much he can do until prosecutors lay out the charges against him. They can't do that until they have access to all the material seized under the search warrants.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)they got he goods on him and his client
criminal activity should not get off
lock them up
DeminPennswoods
(15,273 posts)nt
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)that Cohen is a disgusting liar and will lie about anything at anytime..
Rudy mixed it up with my fav tonight C. Cuomo... Chris usually tears liars up.. Rudy is one of the worst.Rudy came out unscathed tonight. In a way... Chris was overly respectful to Rudy tonight.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)It becomes strangely compelling...
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Chris Studio
(82 posts)Trying to convince a jury that either one of them is trustworthy
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)This is conspiracy against the United States. Its conspiring with a hostile foreign country to control the outcome of the election. To think its only one of the avenues of investigation. I really hope its the beggining of the end.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)conference calling it. You know he did.
jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Yes.
forgotmylogin
(7,522 posts)I posted in another thread. No way he wouldn't at least have an ear to the door about getting news on an inroad with Putin.
In fact, I'd even hypothesize it was planned that he "wouldn't" be in the meeting specifically for plausible deniability - "If they ask, I was definitely busy in my office on the floor above." Surely he was busy with the speakerphone eavesdropping on the office meeting below.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)taught him that bugging meeting rooms was the thing to do. No need to be there, just watch and listen to the tape later. I hope the key players are well protected. Seems some detractors have difficulty standing on balconies, or ingesting poisons.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I have several episodes recorded but never get around to watching them.
watoos
(7,142 posts)turned him off and went back to Rachel.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)We know that Jr. was contacted about dirt on Hillary, and he accepted the meeting.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Zoonart
(11,844 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)paint Cohen as unreliable, as if trump can be trusted. trumps attorneys will also claim he has dementia or something.
mtngirl47
(988 posts)and accused Cohen of being upset about not being brought into the administration....and some kind of jealousy and resentment of the Trump kids.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The con man in an interview. They are probably not happy about this development. Cohen needs to speak to Mueller, not us.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Cohen is not talking to "us", he is talking to Trump looking for a pardon. But that has its own risks to Trump.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)true, make no collusion another proven lie.
bluestarone
(16,894 posts)Pardon anyone if he's an accomplice to a crime??
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)bluestarone
(16,894 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)I never thought for a second Trump didnt know about this. The kind of personality he has and his son would be meeting w/ Russians in Trump Tower w/out ever mentioning it to his father? I would've found it unlikely if it was just a staffer, but his own kid?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The only hard part is getting the proof of what we already know.
Trump is forked.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,831 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Show him talking both before and after the Trump Tower meeting with a blocked phone and his dad has such a phone.
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)They probably still believe it, too.
Doodley
(9,078 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Knife attack, hung themselves with their bed sheet or belt.
coti
(4,612 posts)riversedge
(70,182 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,273 posts)nt
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)Which means Trump leaked it. WTF? Is he trying to lose?
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)standingtall
(2,785 posts)The theory by the guest on her show was Trump probably leaked it to take a significant card out of Cohen's hand. The flip side is if your playing 5 card poker you would not have no problem showing the King if your holding 4 Aces in your hand. Maybe Cohen's team leaked this publicly to display confidence in being able to proof other incriminating activities by Trump.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)standingtall
(2,785 posts)I did not hear Davis denying this story, which makes me think it is possible they leaked it. Also possible it was leaked by Trumps team. I would not take either theory as an absolute at this point.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)triron
(21,994 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)And door knobs and perfume bottles...
Yavin4
(35,430 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Squinch
(50,934 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Although, with Trump as President and potentially a criminal suspect, how good is witness protection?
dawnie51
(959 posts)Bannon told us a long time ago "There's no way those jamooks weren't taken up the stairs' Remember that statement? This is not news to anyone paying attention. Maybe Cohen sees now who he's messing with, a crime syndicate. There is no honor among thieves, and this bunch is real nasty. Glad that Mueller has a lot of organized crime guys on his team. He's gonna need em.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)If not its just more background gas.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)triron
(21,994 posts)Like conspiracy.
dchill
(38,464 posts)A favorite oldie of mine.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)dchill
(38,464 posts)Talk about commitment!
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)is afraid or aware that prosecutors may know everything, and he'd better not lie. And I'm sure they do know just about everything.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)lock them up
trueblue2007
(17,202 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Either way, if t-rump's team gave the information to the media (fake news - Murdoch) knows he and his team did, and other media ran with it, it still does not help but hurt t-rump not Cohen.
The logic???????
SemiHalfling
(53 posts)*Snickers*
Cant make this stuff up.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)here it comes . . .
Cohen is a liar. LIAR!
I think what t-rump and team did will backfire 24/7. Who the hell are t-rump's attorneys? Oh that's right, FAKE NEWS.
SemiHalfling
(53 posts)Mueller is going to steamroll them.
triron
(21,994 posts)Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Also Conspircy! ☺
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)triron
(21,994 posts)Takket
(21,550 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)iluvtennis
(19,843 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)There's also a strong possibility he's about to be disbarred for publicly disclosing privileged information.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)1) There were other people in the room
2) Losing his law license is the least of his problems.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)1. the released phone conversation was between Trump and Cohen, and they discussed legal matters. Releasing that conversation, through his new lawyer, is a violation of privilege.
2. losing his law license goes directly to his credibility. Anything he says after such an action will suffer from that loss of credibility. The only way they get around that is if he has an actual recording of Jr. telling Trump of the meeting.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)First, for the attorney-client privilege to exist, there must actually be an attorney-client relationship regarding a specific matter. The law is clear that as a general matter a person cannot claim to have an attorney for all matters that might arise.
I, for instance, have to hire you to help me resolve a tax dispute with the IRS. The representation is limited to that matter and so is the privilege. Other things I may have told you in passing (for example, about the fight I am having with my wife and how I beat herthis is a hypothetical!) are outside the scope of the representation and are not privileged.
The privilege is not just subject-matter specific, it is also person-specific. If, for example, Cohen had privileged information provided by Jared Kushner, only Kushner would be able to assert the privilege to protect it, not President Trump. Information shared with a third party is not privileged ever. In order to be privileged, the information conveyed to the attorney must be for the purpose of seeking legal advice. So non-legal communications (such as instructions on how to secure funds or where to transfer money) are not generally protected.
SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)much more business, eh? It looks like he's going to be pretty busy taking care of his legal issues and so forth...
triron
(21,994 posts)Gothmog
(145,051 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)To commit criminal acts against this country will prove to have a crippling effect on his power to do anything, as Congress turns on him very soon as they realize its over for their treasonous and corrupt president.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)I suppose the republcians will weasel, and claim the russians made them lie. Sad.
sellitman
(11,606 posts)Will anyone else in the room step forward?
One more shoe to drop and then Team Dotard could be toast.
triron
(21,994 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)Your OP was wrong from the get-go.
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)Comrade.
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)CNN did not verify the source last night. Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis denied last night that he was the source. The story was planted as strategy to damage Cohen.
Therefore, posts that parrot the CNN error should be amended or pulled. Accurate reporting is important.
And what's with the gratuitous insult? You know nothing about me. If you knew my history here (an old-timer recently returned) you may have not felt so free to attack me.
Cha
(297,034 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)oasis
(49,365 posts)the needed corroborating evidence. Who else but "daddy" would be at the other end of those calls?