Just in: Statement from NYT Publisher A.G. Sulzberger, who says he told Trump his "language was not

[demmiblue]

Just in: Statement from NYT Publisher A.G. Sulzberger, who says he told Trump his “language was not just divisive but increasingly dangerous.”

Link to tweet

[Kali]

1. obvious mistake to try to reason with that asshole

the only thing that works is ass-kissing flattery and that only lasts until the next shiny ass-kisser gets his attention.

[Hortensis]

9. How's it a mistake? What's the cost here?

Sulzberg is speaking out. Speaking out should not be mistaken for weakness.

Nor should anyone fail to notice that Sulzberger's newspaper, one of the most powerful on the planet, is causing great damage to Trump and his administration's subversive, autocratic ambitions by publishing truth. Trump fears the NYT for good reason.

Remember, our founding fathers, who considered the fourth estate critical to the success of democracy, wrote freedom of the press into our constitution. Were they smart or what?

[Kali]

38. it really was more a comment about the orange anus

than the actual point of the tweet. I agree entirely with it and you.

[Hortensis]

50. :) And I agree entirely with you. Whatshiswhatever

has been reminding me repeatedly of Hitler and the League of Nations. Hitler followed every attempt to reach sensible agreements with escalated aggressions. Putin also.

Very differently, though, no one's trying to appease Trump, and only that orange weenie is trying to appease Putin. Not that he seems to realize it.

[demmiblue]

13. He used him as a tweet-op.

He is not going to heed anything Sulzberger said... in fact, he will do the opposite (sticking it to the liberal NYT is the message to his base).

What was Sulzberger thinking?!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

60. Trump's response while Sulzberger was talking:

[Hekate]

30. You think Sulzberger should maintain a dignified silence while the potus calls for the murder ...

...of his journalists and his business?

[demmiblue]

35. Did she say that? I don't think she said that.

Imo, she is saying that meeting with Trump in this regard is pointless. And it is, really.

[Grasswire2]

55. Think strategically

It's critically important to lay down a marker for history. No response to a bully would be a mistake. The same mistake Al Gore made when people encouraged him to be a statesman, not a "loserman". Gotta respond to thugs. Remind Trump that the people and their press ultimately have more power than he does (or thinks he does).

[Kali]

40. no that is not what I think

it was a comment about how the fucker reacts to interactions with people. I agree with Sulsberger and what he did - especially the clarification tweet, but trying to get a two-year-old in a orange man's body to act on reason directly ain't going to work.

[TeamPooka]

41. a guy on AMJoy said basically that it's a good thing for the publisher of the NYT to have

dealt personally w/ Trump and see what he does up close like this.
Good lesson for how he needs to run his paper from here on.

[Nasruddin]

44. Sulzberger - Trump

I certainly don't know, but given they're both from NYC I doubt that Trump and Sulzberger are strangers to each other.

[TeamPooka]

52. thank you for your speculation.

[olegramps]

68. It is the clear intent of Trump to destroy the press. It is an essential to establish a dictatorship

The Republican have been pursueing the establishment of dictatorship since Nixon was driven from office. The major accomplishment was the control of the radio broadcast system enacted by Reagan. It has been steadily down hill since then. When you control the press you control the people. The founders of our Republic were well acquainted with this basic fact and made it the subject of the first amendment of the Constitution. The congresses lack of direct condemnation of the Trump administration if not corrected will result in their own destruction along with the judiciary. The fact is "it can't happen here" is that it is "happening here." Will they accomplish their goal or will people awaken before their precious liberties are lost?

[Eyeball_Kid]

2. And Trumpy's response was...?

Likely, he demurred and small-talked a response. When he's NOT in Sulzberger's presence, he'll cowardly go back to the same divisive rhetoric and repeat the "enemy of the people" meme. He's very predictable. He'll be the demagogue when he can't be confronted.

[oberliner]

5. This tweet

Link to tweet

[WePurrsevere]

14. Pfft! HE has been the one calling the media that. It's not "sad" it's abhorrent. nt

[grantcart]

24. This just in Trump "huh"?

[markses66]

27. How is that Trump's "response" when it came first?

Trump's tweet is at 7:30 am this morning. Sulzberger's statement, at least as posted by Rucker, comes nearly two and a half hours later (at 9:53 am), and seems to be a response TO Trump, no? The story I've heard is that the meeting was off the record, and happened on July 20. Trump's tweet this morning was read by Sulzberger as putting the meeting on the record, and thus necessitated a response.

So, wasn't Trump's tweet first? How are you calling it a "response?" On edit: Or are you saying that the tweet was Trump's response to the meeting?

[oberliner]

28. This was Trump's response to the meeting

The meeting came first - Trump tweeted his response. NY Times tweeted their take on their meeting after that.

[markses66]

34. It is weird that he waited over a week to break his off-the-record agreement

It must have been festering.

Apparently, the meeting took place on July 20.

[LisaM]

37. He probably had to wait for someone to craft the response

and add in the right number of dog whistles.

[Fred Sanders]

62. Correction: Trump tweeted his...distorted and weirdly brief screed having nothing to do with

what actually happened in the meeting in order to attack journalists again and inflame is braindead base.

When he had no obligation to mention the meeting.

[progressoid]

67. Yup.

[Wounded Bear]

7. And Trumpy's response was

Mission Accomplished...

[Totally Tunsie]

25. But remember how that worked for Bushie...

?1318992465

[demmiblue]

20. Maybe we will find out:

Important to emphasize that it is not at all unusual for @nytimes publishers to meet with U.S. presidents.
And the meetings are often off the record.
But @realDonaldTrump put this one on the record by tweeting about it. http://bit.ly/2M2J0WU pic.twitter.com/XrkwCthPsW

And A.G. Sulzberger, @nytimes publisher, took detailed notes during the meeting. Sulzberger made clear to the president that his rhetoric about journalists being “the enemy of the people” was deeply troubling. http://bit.ly/2M2J0WU

Link to tweet

[peekaloo]

3. I think he got through to the Schmuck L'Orange

[calimary]

29. Schmuck L'Orange!!!!!!

One of the best nicknames yet, peekaloo!

[peekaloo]

59. Feel free to pass it on.

[OnDoutside]

4. Meh, let's wait and see what the interpreter says.

[Cha]

15. lol

[Ponietz]

57. Yes, precisely

[Harker]

6. Maybe he meant

"will lead to more violence." Talking to Trumpsky must be like pissing into the wind.

[Grammy23]

8. He will nod and appear to have heard the critique.

But tomorrow he will return to business as usual. And Pootie will remind him to go back on script ranting about the Press and how unfair they are. Untrustworthy. Fake news. All the buzz words designed to brainwash the masses. He has his marching orders and will obey. He knows if he doesn’t that Putin will jerk him back in line like a shock collar on a dog.

[Kyblue1]

10. The "Moron in Chief" couldn't care less

In fact, the more his hateful rhetoric appeals to the knuckle dragged the. More he will ramp it up.

[cally]

11. And promised to continue to publish Trump apologists

Good letter but actions speak louder than words

[BSdetect]

12. The "talk" would only serve to enrage him. You cannot engage a dictator traitor.

drumph is clinging on to his imagined power by any means.

[oberliner]

16. Asking a bully to please stop bullying you doesn't usually end well

[EleanorR]

18. not a bully, a fascist

Can't have a proper dictatorship with a free press. Just ask trump's role models, Erdogan and Putin.

[2naSalit]

17. He doesn't give

a rat's a** about a word the man said. He's too far off in his own little world, constantly now, that I don't think he's coming back. Fasten your seat belts, folks. Here we go.

[LuckyLib]

42. Trump's eyes glazed over after the first sentence, as he thought:

“I really could use a coke right now!”

[Hugin]

19. Obviously, Sulzberger should have used brightly colored flash cards and gummibear treats like...

Juncker did.

Sooooo stupid. Soooo embarassing. The United States will never recover.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. Watch Spanky get even worse,

now that he knows he got under Sulzberger's skin. If there's anything he loves it's upsetting people; he can't live without enemies he thinks he can vanquish. As long as he gets applause lines from his cult members when he bashes the press at his mini-Nuremberg rallies he'll keep doing it. Harmful to the country? Endangering lives? He doesn't care as long as the brainwashed zombies clap.

Sulzberger might have a little better luck next time if he brings colorful posters and food rewards.

[DeminPennswoods]

22. The big takeaway is that Trump speaks directly

to the owner of the NYT.

[Hugin]

33. It's becoming clear along with watching TV on the golden flush-able throne...

Spanky spends a considerable amount of time talking with various people on the tweet phone.

Including:

The NFL owners.
Hannity and other Fox News personalities.
Ghouliani.
Probably, still Bannon.
Devin Nunes.
Mitch McConnell on occasion.
Various tabloid owners.
Some network heads.
Many totalitarian dictators.
His latest mistress.
Formerly Cohen.
KFC.
McDonalds.
Several White Supremacy groups.
...
Tons of others who haven't outed themselves, yet.

Mueller is hopefully gathering Marmalade's cell usage.

[Liberalagogo]

23. "...will lead to violence."

That ship has sailed.

[JHB]

26. Oh, well that showed him.

*yawn*

[JohnnyRingo]

31. I bet I know Trump's response.

"Somebody please get me a Coke".

And that was that.

[catbyte]

32. As if we needed further proof that Traitor Tot gets his marching orders from the Kremlin,

there's this:

Link to tweet

Just as an aside:
I spent 5 years as an @nytimes correspondent in Russia.
The phrase “enemy of the people” was a key propaganda weapon that the Soviet regime used against dissidents.

And A.G. Sulzberger, @nytimes publisher, took detailed notes during the meeting.
Sulzberger made clear to the president that his rhetoric about journalists being “the enemy of the people” was deeply troubling.

[Hugin]

36. Along with "persona non-grata" just to make it personal. n/t

[bitterross]

39. I applaud him for trying. He had to try. Somone had to try. Just for the record, at least.

Given Trump's tweet after the meeting it did no good at all. Not that that surprises me.

I think Sulzberger or someone from the media had to at least try doing this. Now they can be more comfortable in criticizing trump with the full knowledge someone has actually tried to talk to him about this who is not one of his toadies and tell him he's putting people in danger.

Now Trump cannot say he was never warned or told this was an issue. He will, of course, but that will be another lie.

[The Liberal Lion]

43. Let's start with the basic notion that trump is illegitimately in the White House.

It is SICKENING to me to watch people try to negotiate with the orange bozo who is illegally in the white house and/or his band of slack jawed nazi followers AKA the GOP and it's electorate. These are not people to be negotiated with. They do not make up the legitimate government of the United States. And so none of them should be given the respect normally reserved for legitimately elected leaders. To negotiate with them, to plead with them is to validate them. DON'T DO IT!!!! They should be treated like the disease that they are. Ignore them when you can, resist them at every opportunity. Being willing to negotiate with them is akin to bending one's knee and doing their evil bidding. Don't ask for mercy, make them surrender or pay the cost.

[SamKnause]

45. The evil, orange, bloated, lying asshole is well aware of his dangerous language.,

He uses it intentionally.

He does not care if journalists are killed in other countries, or this country.

He cares about Trump and no one else.

He is EVIL !!!!

[gratuitous]

46. And when Trump goes back to his dangerous language?

Will Sulzberger call him out, or just provide more stenography? Words are fine; actions that back up those words are finer.

[kairos12]

47. This will only embolden Shitler.

[MadDAsHell]

48. Interesting that he says the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful

Didn’t the “fake news” phrase originate FROM the media to describe fake positive news about Trump or fake negative news about Secretary Clinton? aka Russian bots on Facebook? And he somehow co-opted it?

If it originally had a legit purpose, it seems weird to call it untrue and harmful. Are we basically giving up the fact that the phrase actually meant something at one point and letting Trump keep it?

[Hekate]

53. No. Trump's language is directly from the alt-right via Hitler, Stalin, & every other dictator...

Lugenpresse, Hitler called them. The Lying Press, the Enemy of the People.

Like every other charge Trump makes against others, this one is pure projection. HE lies. HE purveys fake news.

In no way did the media invent this term for Trump to co-opt. I watched him use it throughout his presidential campaign, and it was well-documented. He used it against the penned-in journalists in whatever stadium he was at: "Look at them! They write the fake news -- don't believe them!" Then out of the scrum of reporters he picked one to name, a young, physically slight, vulnerable-looking woman, and she became the punch line for his routine. "KATY TUR!" he'd bellow. "Look at her over there! Little Katy Tur. She writes fake news."

[MadDAsHell]

54. Not according to the Washington Post:

Last edited Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:58 PM - Edit history (1)

“How The War Against Fake News Backfired” - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/12/07/how-the-war-against-fake-news-backfired/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a63458679c98

“Fake news has become a problem that the media and the tech industries are urgently searching for ways to solve. But in the post-election push to fix the problem, those who most want to find the solution have managed to lose control over what, exactly, the definition of “fake news” is.”

[Fred Sanders]

63. If you read Sulzberger's statement in response to the Trump most recent attack on journalism the

NYT does not see Trump as co-opting the phrase, because he has not.

[MadDAsHell]

70. WaPo disagrees. nt

[Hekate]

49. You guys are really funny. Looks to me like the publisher of one of the biggest papers just...

...threw down the gauntlet. Sulzberger lives in a world where the leaders/high and mighty/owners still behave with decorum -- not like a boorish reality tv "star." He can afford to talk softly -- he has a big stick.

[procon]

51. What was Trump's response?

That was curiously absent.

[bucolic_frolic]

56. I think the situation is far more advanced than is being acknowledged

Tweeting on the basis of an imagined world with himself as center of the universe. Anyone that doesn't support his actions, which he believes are totally patriotic, is evil because they are not contributing to his vision of America with himself as Supreme Leader. It's very childish and simplistic, but that is what he sees.

I've experienced Alzheimer's Disease first hand. It is merging with Narcissism. It's only going to get worse.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

58. sadly, lord fatass doesn't care. nt

[Martin Eden]

61. Divisive and Dangerous is Trump's intent

He just received confirmation the rhetoric is working as planned.

[pangaia]

64. This guy is really naive.

[NCjack]

65. NYT Publisher A.G. Sulzberger wasted time. He must start a

drumbeat for defeat of GOP at polls. Everyday, hit them harder than the day before.

[Nitram]

66. Trump will have blood on his hands every time a journalist is killed.

He can't plead ignorance now.

[NoMoreRepugs]

69. Far too erudite a conversation for KingtRump to understand.