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kpete

(71,985 posts)
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:36 AM Jul 2018

Charles Blow to Trump: "There's no such thing as fake news."

@CharlesMBlow
There’s no such thing as fake news. If something is false it doesn’t get printed. If something false slips through, it gets corrected. There is NO SUCH THING as fake news. You label unflattering news fake, but the news about you is horrible because you live your life horribly.





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Charles Blow to Trump: "There's no such thing as fake news." (Original Post) kpete Jul 2018 OP
actually yes there is mnmoderatedem Jul 2018 #1
Or it gets corrected weeks later. On the last page. Igel Jul 2018 #8
+1. n/t Different Drummer Jul 2018 #9
actually... there was handmade34 Jul 2018 #2
#notmypresident has destroyed satire: Excellent point. So now we're into double psych's, etc. erronis Jul 2018 #16
There is Chris Studio Jul 2018 #3
Shit like InfoWars (Alex Jones) and Breitbart are fake and not news. FakeNotNews. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #4
But we yend to vorrect their idiocy. Pauldg47 Jul 2018 #18
"Fake News" means "horrible news about Trump" bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #5
Cokie's Law states that it does not matter if it is true or not. It's out there. keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #6
of course there's fake news Nasruddin Jul 2018 #11
Cokie must have been referring to Larry Kudlow. House of Roberts Jul 2018 #14
He is wrong oberliner Jul 2018 #7
Yep. It was another form of projection meant to muddy the waters. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #10
"news about you is horrible because you live your life horribly" volstork Jul 2018 #12
my thoughts too kpete Jul 2018 #15
Just sing along with Elton John (with a little lyrical adjustment from me) DFW Jul 2018 #13
Trump and Fox are the prime purveyors of fake news aeromanKC Jul 2018 #17
Nice try Mr Blow.... Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #19

Igel

(35,300 posts)
8. Or it gets corrected weeks later. On the last page.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jul 2018

Or, if it's on a website, it gets corrected but there's no way to contact those who read it to update them. How often do you go back on Friday or Saturday to reread all the stuff you read on Wednesday and Thursday?

Worse yet, there's misleading news, where it's almost for sure that the reporter knows it's misleading and wants to mislead. Or perhaps not give offense. Old saying: Half a truth is worse than a lie.

Maybe I'll quote Blow as defending Fox News and RT. After all, if it's in the media it's either true or it's quickly corrected.

I know full well that's not what he means. Not on the least. He's on a team and protecting that team--and Fox, RT, and many, many other media sources are *not* on *his* team. But the two points stand: corrections issued in a way that don't produce any real correction, and half truths by omission of context or other relevant facts.

BTW, that "correction" thing is also a problem for researchers. If you are doing newspaper research you might find the original article on page 1 but overlook the correction on page 18. Or run into what I have from time to time--you look up the original quote from something that was translated, and you find that the translation is accurate but the sentence before or after the quote, not translated, radically alters the meaning.

In like manner, I heard a sermon in which the minister ranted about a newspaper article. "Here it is, proof that ___________ is evil." With all the quotes, which seemed quite over-the-top to me. I had trouble imagining any serious politician would say these things, except one of the most extreme, while drunk and possibly on drugs, and in the privacy of his closest and looniest supporters ... and that only after checking for bugs or recording devices. After the sermon I asked to see the clipping he'd been reading from and which, in fact, he said he'd read in it's entirety. (He saw me, the thorn in his side, in the congregation and knew I'd say, "But context!&quot Yet unread by him, at the bottom, was the last line penned by the writer. "This is writ sarcastic."

erronis

(15,241 posts)
16. #notmypresident has destroyed satire: Excellent point. So now we're into double psych's, etc.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 01:51 PM
Jul 2018

Fake News is 'News I don't like"
False News is "Stuff I put out on the web for my sheeples."
False Fake News is "When I report on something I read in the real news and misrepresented it."
Fake False News is "When the media reported what I said as if it was real."

Unfortunately we are reporting that last item the most - even well-vetted news sources actually report the twitler's bombasts as if they are significant.

 

Chris Studio

(82 posts)
3. There is
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jul 2018

For a wide variety of reasons a hell of a lot of propaganda slips through the US media 'truth' filter.

We see it when it comes to foreign policy, we see it when it comes to outside the mainstream ideology, and we see it when it comes to economics.

Popular opinions are presented as fact, and that is truly fake news.

He's right though, that Trump has just coined that term to slander any media coverage/media outlet he doesn't like.

keithbvadu2

(36,776 posts)
6. Cokie's Law states that it does not matter if it is true or not. It's out there.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jul 2018

Cokie's Law - about politics and media coverage...

Cokie's Law states that it does not matter if it is true or not. It's out there.

Cokie Roberts journalist, author, reporter

Nasruddin

(752 posts)
11. of course there's fake news
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jul 2018

Like someone else says, mostly "fake news" means "news that's unflattering to Donald Trump", but in reality
there's all kinds of it
- there are rebranded press releases
- first reports from any major incident - we should call this stuff wrong news, not fake
- spin from public figures
- narratives spun by reporters who just get it wrong and filter out conflicting info
- junk from partisan web sites
- made up stuff from grocery-line tabloids

This stuff has always been around!

House of Roberts

(5,168 posts)
14. Cokie must have been referring to Larry Kudlow.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 01:47 PM
Jul 2018

It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, he's just 'out there', as in way out there.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. He is wrong
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jul 2018

People forget that "fake news" was the term initially given to describe fake stories made up by Russian hackers and then was co-opted by Trump to mean any story he didn't like.

From CNN, 2015:

New Facebook feature flags fake news

Facebook wants to crack down on the scourge of fake news stories that go viral on the social network.

https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/20/technology/facebook-fake-news/index.html


So many interesting components of that story when looked at in retrospect.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
10. Yep. It was another form of projection meant to muddy the waters.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jul 2018

Sadly, it's been effective. Instead of focusing on Russia's immense social media campaign and the desperate need to combat it, along with the desperate need for media literacy to be taught in every school, the focus is on defending the media against Trump's attacks.

A media that chases ratings and doesn't want to upset advertisers (and, thus, is reluctant to call a lie a lie), while promoting false equivalencies out of some warped sense of what constitutes fairness. A media that couldn't go 5 minutes without talking about Clinton's emails (including MSNBC with the likes of Andrea Mitchell). A media that is owned and operated by just a handful of giant corporations.

Alas, Trump - or at least those advising him - knows what he's doing when it comes to propaganda and controlling the narrative.

DFW

(54,358 posts)
13. Just sing along with Elton John (with a little lyrical adjustment from me)
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 01:42 PM
Jul 2018

I Guess That’s Why He Calls It Fake News (I guess that’s Why They Call It The Blues—by Elton John)
A.
Just watch what you say
‘Cause he carries a grudge forever
Between you and me, you know it’s this way
You know he’ll never get better

B.
It won’t go away
Do-nald has still got his pride
And it won’t be long before he turns to run
To the tower of gold where he’ll hide


Chorus:
And I guess that’s why he calls it fake news
Can’t understand, what he says is not true
Asking his children
Bragging ‘bout lovers
Bashing Acosta for stories he covers
And I guess that’s why he calls it fake news

A.
He’s so out of place
Waving his small little hand
At each press conference, there’s no hesitation
He lies and (he) says he’s the man

The story unfurls
But don’t ask, it won’t help
‘Cause more than ever, he cares not for truth,
He only cares about himself

Chorus:
And I guess that’s why he calls it fake news
We understand, ‘cause the man has no clue
Asking his children
Bragging ‘bout lovers
Bashing Acosta for stories he covers
And I guess that’s why he calls it fake news

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
19. Nice try Mr Blow....
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 02:32 PM
Jul 2018

unless you want to change "fake" to outright lies, Faux Nooze is one or they other, but they do not fit YOUR description of news.

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