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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe Have Always Had Bad Politicians But How Did We End Up W/So Many Absolutely Evil Ones?
We have always had bad politicians over time and in our history. Yet it seems like the ones we have now are worse than ever n our history. So many of them make ignorant, stupid, vicious, racist, bigoted, hate, vile and totally unacceptable statements it is stunning. In the past everyone one of these assholes would have been run off the public stage.
And it seems that they are getting worse. Since Trump we have neo Nazis and openly racist candidates now on the ballot and some have a real chance to win.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)They create a group of Republicans that were so incredibly angry that when someone like Trump finally ran, it gave them a voice they hadn't had before.
DFW
(54,341 posts)Fox makes stupid, stupid makes for anger.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)They and their longterm planning oligarch enablers.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)Chris Studio
(82 posts)Offer some version of pie in the sky.
Sometimes it's aspirational, like Sanders, sometimes it's just to manipulate people, like Trump's, other times it's just reading polls and telling people what they want to hear.
What is dangerous is assuming that anyone is being honest without checking the facts for yourself.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)"It was the Democrats fault, son. They elected an intelligent, charismatic African-American President. Then the white racists lost their minds."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and others, so belatedly awakened, but still. To see decades of subversive preparation breaking out in the open and escalating is amazing.
It was started in the 1970s by domestic enemies planning to turn the nation conservative to repeal the New Deal and better serve the wealthy. The kind of people who came in on that were not of the best character or judgement, to put it mildly. After years of scheming they had the communications revolution to turn into a weapon of national destruction and then the huge victory of unlimited money in politics. They were able to greatly intensify both infiltration of corruption and the turning of the electorate on ourselves (divided we fall).
This has to be a fascinating time for scholars who study corruption. Turns out the corruption we've always feared isn't the relaxing and unraveling of standards here and there that we imagined but long-term systematic efforts to subvert policies, procedures and whole institutions that served the many to serve the subversives. Russia's been exporting corruption as a weapon of war for decades anyway and was in like Flynn for the destruction of the U.S. Most subversives were always paid with money and professional success, but we now know that some are blackmailed.
In any case, the kind of people who were infiltrated everywhere to accomplish that are the kind we're viewing with astonishment today. The Republican Party has been stuffed with venal and amoral crooks, ruthless social and religious conservatives, anti-government and anti-democracy true believers, white supremacists, fervent nationalists, basically everyone who should never be allowed in positions of authority.
Agents of corruption are also in the media, the law, our universities, our information systems, everywhere they're needed.
But there are still plenty of good people everywhere also, and now we finally see what we're up against. They're at the extremely dangerous point for them of no longer operating with most of the nation completely unaware. Really, we should thank Trump for helping us in that at least. A true wild cannon shooting in all directions.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)but I think it goes farther back than the 70s. JBS in the 50s promoted a long term plan to dismantle central government and social programs, promoting a libertarian ideology using the weakness of the uninformed and raising an oligarcal system of control. They and their offspring waited patiently in the background. Sound familiar?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a feverish reaction among many hard-core conservatives that's never abated.
I didn't know about/remember the JBS plot to restructure government itself, but that of course would be a precursor idea, and of course the value of weaponizing ignorance. I'm guessing they didn't miss the potential in ratcheting partisan divisions up until we broke as well.
I grabbed 1970s because some of those who'd already been organizing and coalesced around the Powell Memo are still alive and involved. But of course they, and people like the Kochs' dad well before, were already at it.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)We'll get the next version of Teddy Roosevelt to start the push back to main street eventually, but I would not count on that any time soon. When the average person can no longer afford the latest touch screen gadget of whatever sort, then it will happen.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)LisaM
(27,801 posts)They are business people who think they know how to do things better. And the stupid term limits in some states aren't helping. They don't know what they are doing, have little experience, and no incentive to work across the aisle. And a lot are setting up to be lobbyists. We lack real public servants, who have the knowledge and expertise to actually govern.