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Think It Can't Happen Here? Trump's Biographer Thinks So: (Original Post) DoctorJoJo Jul 2018 OP
From that bastion of truth: alternet. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #1
From Tony Schwartz, Who Wrote "The Fart of the Deal." DoctorJoJo Jul 2018 #3
Strange, the byline says Thom Hartman. NOT Tony Schwartz. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #4
Name 5 things Hartmann is wrong about SHRED Jul 2018 #5
Thom Hartmann is not liked here because he is a long time Sanders supporter GusBob Jul 2018 #9
Sanders has nothing to do with it. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #11
Strange, in the other thread on this very topic GusBob Jul 2018 #13
Well, that's not MY reasoning, and THAT is a fact. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #14
Well... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #10
Well he keeps predicting an economic collapse . I mean you predict it long enough and eventually Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #12
Strange, Thom Hartman is quoting Schwartz through the entire article Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #8
Of course; traitor trump has already made a number of obvious signals, empedocles Jul 2018 #2
Ex parte Milligan 71 US 2 (1866) struggle4progress Jul 2018 #6
thank you empedocles Jul 2018 #7
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
4. Strange, the byline says Thom Hartman. NOT Tony Schwartz.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 06:19 PM
Jul 2018

Hartman is a sensationalist. He's also rather wrong a LOT. Not to mention he spent YEARS in Russia's pocket.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. Strange, in the other thread on this very topic
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:11 PM
Jul 2018

He is bashed with all sorts of things, including being a "Bernie humper"

Fact is TH is not liked here because of his support for Sen Sanders. That's a fact

And I like Hillary and was not a big fan of Sanders

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
14. Well, that's not MY reasoning, and THAT is a fact.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 09:09 PM
Jul 2018

I dislike him for his time as a Russian stooge. I do not care that he supported Bernie in the primaries.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
10. Well...
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jul 2018
http://www.researchforprogress.us/topic/46/hartmanns-research-on-fascism-is-deadly-wrong/

Go to 1:15.


This prediction from 2013 that never came true:
https://www.amazon.com/Crash-2016-Plot-Destroy-America/dp/0446584835

Didn't have a recession until Bush I in 1990. Had nothing to do with the '87 crash.
"HARTMANN: Right, and this is exactly what happened, by the way, you know, if you go back and you look at the history of the Reagan tax cuts, the first tax cut was from 74 percent down to 50 percent and that was in -80 what, -2 or -3? And it wasn't until '87 that he got it really, you know, way down there and, and when he did, what did we have? The largest stock market crash since the Great Depression and, and the country went into a recession. ... And not only that, he had to jack up taxes on working people which I think contributed to the recession, doubling the payroll tax and, you know, generally adding all kinds of taxes."


And of course, the biggest wrongs were his time spent at RT and writing for Sputnik International, collecting money from Putin.

Fullduplexxx

(7,857 posts)
12. Well he keeps predicting an economic collapse . I mean you predict it long enough and eventually
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:38 PM
Jul 2018

You'll be correct

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
2. Of course; traitor trump has already made a number of obvious signals,
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 06:11 PM
Jul 2018

traitortrump will do anything within his reach not only to escape legal 'troubles', but also hang on to the WH regardless of what it takes.

An important step we can take is to go for a big November mandate; putting aside lesser differences, encouraging moderates, patriotic republicans, independents to, above all else, defeat every republicon possible in November - and by strong mandate, beat traitortrump.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
6. Ex parte Milligan 71 US 2 (1866)
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 06:31 PM
Jul 2018

Mr. Justice DAVIS delivered the opinion of the court ...

... Milligan is a citizen of the United States; has lived for twenty years in Indiana, and, at the time of the grievances complained of, was not, and never had been, in the military or naval service of the United States. On the 5th day of October, 1864, while at home, he was arrested by order of General Alvin P. Hovey ...

On the 21st day of October, 1864, he was brought before a military commission, .. tried on certain charges and specifications, found guilty, and sentenced to be hanged ...

Milligan insists that said military commission had no jurisdiction to try him upon the charges preferred, or upon any charges whatever, because he was a citizen of the United States and the State of Indiana, and had not been, since the commencement of the late Rebellion, a resident of any of the States whose citizens were arrayed against the government, and that the right of trial by jury was guaranteed to him by the Constitution of the United States ...

Those applicable to this case are found in that clause of the original Constitution which says "That the trial of all crimes, except in case of impeachment, shall be by jury," and in the fourth, fifth, and sixth articles of the amendments. The fourth proclaims the right to be secure in person and effects against unreasonable search and seizure, and directs that a judicial warrant shall not issue "without proof of probable cause supported by oath or affirmation." The fifth declares

that no person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on presentment by a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.

And the sixth guarantees the right of trial by jury, in such manner and with such regulations that, with upright judges, impartial juries, and an able bar, the innocent will be saved and the guilty punished. It is in these words:

In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

These securities for personal liberty thus embodied were such as wisdom and experience had demonstrated to be necessary for the protection of those accused of crime. And so strong was the sense of the country of their importance, and so jealous were the people that these rights, highly prized, might be denied them by implication, that, when the original Constitution was proposed for adoption, it encountered severe opposition, and, but for the belief that it would be so amended as to embrace them, it would never have been ratified ...

... The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government ...

Every trial involves the exercise of judicial power, and from what source did the military commission that tried him derive their authority? Certainly no part of judicial power of the country was conferred on them, because the Constitution expressly vests it "in one supreme court and such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish," and it is not pretended that the commission was a court ordained and established by Congress. They cannot justify on the mandate of the President, because he is controlled by law, and has his appropriate sphere of duty, which is to execute, not to make, the laws, and there is "no unwritten criminal code to which resort can be had as a source of jurisdiction ...

... This court has judicial knowledge that, in Indiana, the Federal authority was always unopposed, and its courts always open to hear criminal accusations and redress grievances, and no usage of war could sanction a military trial there for any offence whatever of a citizen in civil life in nowise connected with the military service. Congress could grant no such power, and, to the honor of our national legislature be it said, it has never been provoked by the state of the country even to attempt its exercise. One of the plainest constitutional provisions was therefore infringed when Milligan was tried by a court not ordained and established by Congress and not composed of judges appointed during good behavior.

... Why was he not delivered to the Circuit Court of Indiana to be proceeded against according to law? No reason of necessity could be urged against it, because Congress had declared penalties against the offences charged, provided for their punishment, and directed that court to hear and determine them. And soon after this military tribunal was ended, the Circuit Court met, peacefully transacted its business, and adjourned. It needed no bayonets to protect it, and required no military aid to execute its judgments. It was held in a state, eminently distinguished for patriotism, by judges commissioned during the Rebellion, who were provided with juries, upright, intelligent, and selected by a marshal appointed by the President ...

... The great minds of the country have differed on the correct interpretation to be given to various provisions of the Federal Constitution, and judicial decision has been often invoked to settle their true meaning; but, until recently, no one ever doubted that the right of trial by jury was fortified in the organic law against the power of attack. It is now assailed, but if ideas can be expressed in words and language has any meaning, this right -- one of the most valuable in a free country -- is preserved to everyone accused of crime who is not attached to the army or navy or militia in actual service. The sixth amendment affirms that, "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury," language broad enough to embrace all persons and cases; but the fifth, recognizing the necessity of an indictment or presentment before anyone can be held to answer for high crimes, "excepts cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service, in time of war or public danger," and the framers of the Constitution doubtless meant to limit the right of trial by jury in the sixth amendment to those persons who were subject to indictment or presentment in the fifth ...

... Wicked men, ambitious of power, with hatred of liberty and contempt of law, may fill the place once occupied by Washington and Lincoln, and if this right is conceded, and the calamities of war again befall us, the dangers to human liberty are frightful to contemplate. If our fathers had failed to provide for just such a contingency, they would have been false to the trust reposed in them. They knew -- the history of the world told them -- the nation they were founding, be its existence short or long, would be involved in war; how often or how long continued human foresight could not tell, and that unlimited power, wherever lodged at such a time, was especially hazardous to freemen. For this and other equally weighty reasons, they secured the inheritance they had fought to maintain by incorporating in a written constitution the safeguards which time had proved were essential to its preservation ...

... Martial law cannot arise from a threatened invasion. The necessity must be actual and present, the invasion real, such as effectually closes the courts and deposes the civil administration ...

... If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war really prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society, and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it limits its duration, for, if this government is continued after the courts are reinstated, it is a gross usurpation of power. Martial rule can never exist where the courts are open and in the proper and unobstructed exercise of their jurisdiction. It is also confined to the locality of actual war ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/71/2#writing-USSC_CR_0071_0002_ZO

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