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By Rory Smith, CNN Updated 1143 GMT (1943 HKT) July 31, 2018
The ban on smartphones as well as other kinds of internet-connected devices, such as tablets, applies to schoolchildren between 3 and 15 years of age, and was passed by lawmakers on Monday. French high schools, or lycées, with students 15 and older, will get to choose whether to adopt the phone ban for their pupils.
"We know today that there is a phenomenon of screen addiction, the phenomenon of bad mobile phone use... Our main role is to protect children and adolescents. It is a fundamental role of education, and this law allows it," said Education Minister Jean-Michel Blanquer on French news channel BFMTV.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/31/europe/france-smartphones-school-ban-intl/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2018-07-31T14%3A00%3A08
Squinch
(50,989 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It would have been undoubtedly a major distraction.
hlthe2b
(102,327 posts)We can't possibly deal with guns, so distracted, non-learning students are the price, I guess. And we've seen what an increasingly stupid/ignorant populace can bring upon all of us.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Its kind of a strange rationale. Thered be loads of adults around to call the cops.
hlthe2b
(102,327 posts)that would be hard to counter.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Its like were all addicted now I guess.
hlthe2b
(102,327 posts)I agree that they shouldn't be accessible in school during classes, at least, but these are the arguments I get from others when it comes up.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I was talking to the principal at my children's school, who told me that they are going to implement a cell-phones-must-stay-in-locker policy this year, and the biggest concern is the parents complaining about it!!
I can't imagine texting my children during school!
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I will take a phone and the kid will say "but my mom is texting"
I say, she knows you are at school and should not be on your phone
tblue37
(65,458 posts)out about it a few times, but finally I told her that if I had to correct her again I would confiscate her phone during the class period.
She then explained that her mother was suffering a bad case of empty nest syndrome and texted her all the time, freaking out if she didn't respond right away--and that I wasn't the only teacher who had chewed her out over it.
I stepped into the hallway with her and asked her to call her mother and let me speak with her. She did, and I explained that she was embarrassing her child in front of her classmates and getting her in trouble with all her teachers. I also explained that she could cause her daughter's grades to drop in some classes if the teacher had such a policy, which is not uncommon.
Later that week Sarah told me that although her mother still texted her a lot, at least she was now only texting before and after classes. Of course Mom was still distracting her during study time and when she was with friends, but at least she wasn't getting her into trouble with her teachers any more.
rainin
(3,011 posts)Instead you made that mother wrong in front of her child. That's divisive. Instead you could have shown empathy for the mom and asked the student to turn her phone to silent during class. The mom would have likely processed her feelings of loss in time and the daughter would have gained a lesson that the world doesn't revolve around her. Daughters and sons can learn a lot in those moments about kindness for others. We learn how to treat others inside of our primary relationships. Believe me, it's not the mom you hurt here. It's the girl.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)to be a problem with boundaries between that mother and college-age child if the mother can't leave the daughter alone long enough for the daughter to attend a college class.
Appropriate boundaries in a parent/child relationship is also an important lesson for both parents and daughters and sons.
roody
(10,849 posts)RobinA
(9,894 posts)and I expect that girl likely knew it. She clearly had empathy or she would have cut Mom off. What she needed was some validation here and she got it, as well as some help cutting the cord. She asked for the help by telling the teacher the full story. Mom needed to be reminded that she was the adult in this scenario.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Called her mother??
Wow, college has changed since I was there!
treestar
(82,383 posts)To college herself? Why she puts her needs before her own childs is a mystery
d_r
(6,907 posts)Before cell phones?
Mariana
(14,859 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)firmly attached...so in your strange shooter scenario to justify the phones always being on, those "last moments" can be recorded...??
hlthe2b
(102,327 posts)trixie2
(905 posts)Squinch
(50,989 posts)though I agree that school shootings are unacceptably prevalent, the possession of a phone does not increase the child's chances of survival. In fact my biggest fear would be that the phone would ring and give away a child's hiding spot.
We need to reduce the number of school shootings, but phone use shouldn't be considered part of that issue.
trixie2
(905 posts)When we are under lock down, not a drill, everyone is texting to find out information and to let parents know.
Anyone under the age of 35 don't call anymore. They text and they turn off all alert sounds.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)And I, too work in schools. I wouldn't choose to stake my life on every kid having remembered to turn off all alerts. In my experience they aren't necessarily diligent about that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This school shooting excuse is bizarre.
trixie2
(905 posts)Believe me when we were on lock down everyone including the teachers were using cell phones to get information into the hiding kids/staff. Parents/spouses have the tv on and can report if the shooter is at the school or in the neighborhood.
I am tired of fighting about the usage of a valuable tool. You do what you want and hide in a closet without any information for hours.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)DownriverDem
(6,230 posts)I totally agree with banning them.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Kids need to listen to their teacher and learn to socialize in school.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)It wasn't that long ago before cell phones were so ubiquitous that possession of a pager by a student was a suspendable offense. I think the reasoning on that had to do with drug dealing however it is difficult to get a class's attention when the students are busy checking their social media pages and texting each other. I routinely take up phones when I see them in use. I don't make the pay a fine to get them back- so far so good. A teacher I know will confiscate them and it is $10.00 to get them back on a 1st offense, 2nd offense they have to see the principal to get them back for $25.00. 3rd time the phones must be collected by the parents.
It was bad enough with note passing and so forth but this has compounded the difficulties of teaching exponentially.
trixie2
(905 posts)Even kindergarten supplies Chromebooks.
Do some adults think that teens talk on the phone? No they don't. Talking on the phone is for oldsters.
I like when the teacher can set the rules. Most schools use a code. Code orange is no cell phones, Code yellow is cell phones allowed except during testing, code green is free use of cell phones. When I teach lit the kids constantly look up new words, author information, maps etc. It is a great tool.
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Which is heavily moderated as to what they can access for schoolwork.
My school had a strict policy on any electronic device (we had handheld games and the like, and classes where you couldn't use calculators)...if the teacher saw it during class, it went in a locked box in the principal's office, and you didn't get it back till the end of school on Friday. If the parents complained, they were welcome to pick it up in person for the student at any time so long as they took it off the premises.
trixie2
(905 posts)Cell phones MAY NOT connect to school wifi.
Years ago each child was assigned a Chromebook to take home and use in class. I find it hilarious that it was stopped because parents were using them for their own purposes, even adult-only websites. Now each classroom has a set of Chromebooks and each student has their own login. Middle school and high school students can login to their classroom from any Chromebooks in the building. Elementary students have classroom Chromebooks that is always logged into their account.
I compare today's craziness with cell phones to the days of the first radios in automobiles. OMG! Drivers will not pay attention.
Homeschoolers who do not use technology are at a great disadvantage in college.
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)the first time I walked into a writing class where every seat had a computer terminal in front of it. All of our in-class exercise writing was done onscreen, and the professor could pull up our screen and watch us, and could show one student's screen to everyone so we were able to get real-time feedback about our punctuation and sentence structure.
It was magical and felt like the future.
trixie2
(905 posts)Can you imagine if you had not had any technology training?
The magical overheads!
I love doing practice tests/quizzes through Quizlet Live. So much fun.
DownriverDem
(6,230 posts)Why do they need them in the classroom? It's just a distraction.
tblue37
(65,458 posts)Internet access in class is valuable at a certain educational level, but the teacher has to monitor the students carefully, or some of them will always end up wasting class time surfing for cat porn*.
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*What is the internet mostly used for? Cat videos and pornography, right?--so I just call what they are doing when they are piddling around "surfing for cat porn."
fierywoman
(7,688 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,277 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)I wish we could be back to days where the phone did one thing only -
let people talk ( rather than it being 1589th thing that people do on it)
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Adapt or die.
eppur_se_muova
(36,277 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)Im all for having the off or collecting them in class but not taking them away. They fill many functions.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,382 posts)classroom.
Chris Studio
(82 posts)My kids' schools make kids hand up phones in the morning and then they hand them back in the afternoon.
They will probably be the national law by the time school reconvenes at the end of August.
I see no reason why kids even need phones, if they're being collected by the parents, much less need them in schools.
Neither of my kids have one, or even seem to want one, and we're not gonna hand them one until it's absolutely necessary.
trixie2
(905 posts)My sister felt the same way until her son, age 10, was at a scout sleepover with parents she knew very well. It seems the parents got drunk and drove the boys to the local ice cream store. The kids were scared shitless and her son had the know-how, from role playing games with his parents, to approach a mother with children and ask her to call his mother who then called the police. Both parents were twice the legal limit. After that she got him a Cricket (?) that could only call his parents, grandparents, older sister and 911.
Kids with cell phones have caught a lot of horrible things on their cameras. Teachers slamming students, abusing students etc.
If I miss a kid during roll call and mark him/her absent the kid is sent a notice by cell phone to him/her. The kid can then come up to me and we take a selfie with both kid and me and send it back to the office. Problem solved very quickly. I always hold up a sign that says, "Unable to hear and runs with scissors".
My sister loved the idea, when her son was in high school, that his cell number was the alert for school closings.
I'm glad that worked out for them, but kids don't have sleepovers here... And they all love within walking distance of our house. Lol.
As for kids tapping stuff.. Meh. I don't know... I mean sure that's a thing, but I'd rather my kids be paying attention than than trying to fight crime or anything...
The parents all have a whatsapp group so anything weird is discussed at length.
Anyway... Too many negatives too few positives... No interest. Especially at school.
trixie2
(905 posts)You don't have the rash of school shootings or cops shooting kids.
America is at war and our kids are right in the middle of it. They drill on school shootings each month. When they are young and start with the drills they like to contact a parent by texting for reassurance. The school I work at went on lock down 3 times in 2 months.
I think we are talking apple and oranges here. S.T.E.M. is really big here so technology is huge. When kids get their first jobs they are expected to download applications, use technology of every sort and are tested at the interview. Even in upper elementary school they have to project their projects onto a wall using specific add ons to laptops/cell phones.
I spent 29 years in the states... Grew up there... And saw two school shootings....
The answer to school shootings should not be phones in schools. I guess at this point Americans have just given up on solving that. It was a thing when I was a kid in the 80s-90s, it was a thing when I was in my 20s, and 30s. It's still a thing now that I'm in my 40s.
But no, it's not a thing here. My kids have literally never heard of a school shooting. Never heard a school lock down. No guards at the schools. So shelter in place training. No armed police on the streets.
Technology is big here in Ireland as well. We have the European headquarters for a lot of US tech firms... Apple, Facebook, you name it. My kids have their school books on iPads.my daughter is 11 and uses Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. My son is 9 and uses Logic Pro to make music. The need to understand computers and apps is nearly universal these days.
None of that means I want my kids to have phones in schools.
In fact we teach our kids how this technology works at home. We also don't allow screens in bedrooms... Public space only.
Oh and before someone give you hell, Ireland is not part of the UK. I'm not upset. But many people would give you an earful. Just so you know
kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)I am a substitute teacher and will not do high school because the kids are on their phones all the time. I spoke to other teacher who said this is a big problem for them also. I wish schools would install cell phone blockers in the school buildings. It is really destroying their developing brains.
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Keep them switched off in their lockers or backpacks. If the teacher sees them, they're confiscated. My school kept anything they took from you until the end of school on Friday, and kids learned real quick that they didn't want to lose their stuff for a week.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)and it won't stop there, they'll try to stop them from gambling and smoking cigarettes in the classroom too
Shipwack
(2,170 posts)... as long as it's a decent vintage and pairs well with whatever the cafeteria is serving.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,617 posts)a few years ago phones weren't allowed in use during school and no one argued with the idea. They were able to use them after school to connect with peers and siblings for rides who me, etc. My friend teaches high school and he says that the students are on them in the classroom all the time. I would NEVER allow that! It is hard enough to get their attention as it is. Kids can use tablets and computers but as tools during classwork and it works out fine.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Nice.
DFW
(54,426 posts)And therefore exempt from the classroom restriction. Fatalities receive a lifetime exemption.....
zentrum
(9,865 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I know people who pay for $35 a month cell phones as an "electronic leash" for their kids, have the tracking set up, etc. Usually this isn't until age 11 or 12 or so, but it combines being able to see where the phone is on the map with the kid having no excuse for not calling if there's anything wrong/DEFINITELY no excuse for not answering.
Switched off during school hours would not interfere, though it'd be helpful if they'd allow kids with lockers to keep them there. And of course the school has zero responsibility for theft.
In my day the big debate was about pagers in school. Allegedly only drug dealers had them.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Bring your own technology. Smartphones, laptops, tablets, etc, all alloqpwed. The teachers have the kids working with them throughout the day.
Yes, some kids have issues, but they work with them just like they would if they had other behavior issues.
And our schools had about 2 dozen NMS semi-finalists (or finalists?) last year.
trixie2
(905 posts)Though not every kid can afford a laptop so I love that the schools keep them in the classrooms for them.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)a model, internationally, a few years ago. The internet is set up to prevent kids from getting into sites they shouldn't, etc.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)They're required to have a laptop in class and the teachers work with the kids using their laptops and phones. Great tools when used wisely.
Her high school sends 20+ kids per year to Ivy League schools and another 30 or more kids to schools considered to be around that same level, i.e., in the "most competitive" category for college admittance. So, they must be doing something right.
applegrove
(118,738 posts)they reported back that you could smoke in class.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)We only had smoking in the boys room in my day lol
Squinch
(50,989 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I see no reason why phones can't be placed in a container when students enter the classroom so that the kids won't use it during class, but to ban them altogether? No. There are good reasons why kids have smartphones -e.g., if parents need to pick them up at a certain time and place after school etc., they can communicate The tween age group might need this most: small kids are watched more carefully and handed over from adult to adult, and teenagers are more independent, but your 8-12 year group is a bit of a mix of independent and still small. Call it an electronic leash, whatever. But it's quite convenient to have it.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)the advent of smart phones has led to all kinds of problems in education. Aside from being an obvious distraction, young people actually do NOT learn better, really learn, with technology. Research shows that history in particular should not be learned with tech - something about it interferes with ordering. When students read on tech they tend to read in an "F" pattern instead of reading every line; that is, they scan and skim. There are plenty of other negatives as well.
Basically smart phones = dumb people.