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shraby

(21,946 posts)
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 02:48 PM Aug 2018

The donald is freaked out today because his accountant who knows about every dollar

that went in and every dollar that was paid out is testifying to a grand jury.

And every dollar that went where it shouldn't have?

Expect more and more frenetic tweets.

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The donald is freaked out today because his accountant who knows about every dollar (Original Post) shraby Aug 2018 OP
Yes. The Manafort trial is getting the headlines, but this is a big deal. dameatball Aug 2018 #1
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2018 #2
I figure Manafort is the least of his worries. shraby Aug 2018 #3
I think the H2O Man Aug 2018 #5
oh, the tale those tax forms must tell! unblock Aug 2018 #6
The tax forms will be what keeps the accountant on the level. They can compare shraby Aug 2018 #7
Exactly. H2O Man Aug 2018 #9
Isn't that the golden rule for trial lawyers? calimary Aug 2018 #27
This is awesome news FakeNoose Aug 2018 #17
Cohen is on tape telling the donald that he asked Allen (Weisselberg) about setting up a couple of shraby Aug 2018 #24
I'll speculate that H2O Man Aug 2018 #8
Mueller has the tax returns, and the accountant knows everything omitted from the tax forms. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #13
One more thing: H2O Man Aug 2018 #14
Rule #1 for lawyers. You never ask a question you don't know the answer to. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #26
Well, I have and I was a damned successful trial lawyer. But I get curious. Shrike47 Aug 2018 #30
LOL. But that's not a key question related to a key element, I think. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #31
K&R ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #4
Do you know when this is going to happen? PearliePoo2 Aug 2018 #10
You're right. No lawyers in the cat-bird seat. If they want to consult one, shraby Aug 2018 #11
I googled to find out when he will testify and here's the scoop. shraby Aug 2018 #12
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2018 #15
.... Oh, I do. Indeed, I do. ancianita Aug 2018 #18
I think it isn't so much where the money went as it is where the money came from. tonyt53 Aug 2018 #16
What Trump fears the public learning about Mr.Bill Aug 2018 #19
This is my take as well. He is in major debt to the Russians. LuckyLib Aug 2018 #28
I have this image in my head of the guy who used to spin plates on the Ed Sullivan Show Grammy23 Aug 2018 #37
As I recall Cartoonist Aug 2018 #44
Yes, but tRump ain't that guy. Grammy23 Aug 2018 #47
Drumpf's nightmare in a nutshell. Spinning plates LuckyLib Aug 2018 #49
I'm sending out thoughts and prayers, watoos Aug 2018 #20
Gotta keep your beady eyes on the ball, douche-bag. erronis Aug 2018 #23
The one human being I'd LOVE to see waterboarded. Conald J Dump. flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #33
Is that today? Holy Crapola, Batman!!! POW!!! ZAM!!! Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #21
If immunity or deal is required, Mueller will make it so. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #45
Yep. He's after the snake head. Not the tail. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #48
IS his CFO actually testifying today? Nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2018 #22
Donald's finance man needs some serious protection for his life. Not just from Donald. keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #25
If they called him in duforsure Aug 2018 #29
Sounds like someone's about to get in a tweet-fight with [insert random celebrity name] flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #32
No, it is Mueller Time! erlewyne Aug 2018 #34
I'm running out of popcorn calguy Aug 2018 #35
How many will starve to death because grocery stores won't sell food without ID? SAD! flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #36
If you cannot purchase food legally, try McDonald's dalton99a Aug 2018 #38
Last time I ate at Mickey D's, I was sick as a dog. HipChick Aug 2018 #51
I knew I should have bought popcorn futures! WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2018 #42
Is there a link ? kentuck Aug 2018 #39
I googled it and the blurb above came from the Wall Street Jounal. shraby Aug 2018 #50
All I want to know is this... PunksMom Aug 2018 #40
When you don't have a conscience it is only a game with losers and winners. olegramps Aug 2018 #41
Especially so because Donald himself hand-waved his way... Orsino Aug 2018 #43
Comeuppance will come at him from every direction. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #46

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
5. I think the
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 02:59 PM
Aug 2018

overlap between the two will be devastating to Trump & Co. One is above the surface, the other is below what the public can see. But they are very closely related.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
7. The tax forms will be what keeps the accountant on the level. They can compare
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:04 PM
Aug 2018

what he says with what he did.

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
9. Exactly.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:06 PM
Aug 2018

The -prosecutor isn't asking him questions that they don't already know the answer to. And the accountant isn't going in with a goal of protecting Trump. He is on the hot seat.

calimary

(81,383 posts)
27. Isn't that the golden rule for trial lawyers?
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:12 PM
Aug 2018

Never ask a question you don’t already know the answer to.

It’s long been speculated that Mueller has the tax returns. No way to know for sure but if he’s going to bring in the accountant for questioning, I’d guess he’d have to have gotten them.

FakeNoose

(32,687 posts)
17. This is awesome news
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:47 PM
Aug 2018

...but it's also possible that the tax forms won't say anything about the hush money that Michael Cohen paid to the women. I'm sure they have it disguised in a footnote somewhere on the profit & loss statements.

It's also possible that Weisselberg wasn't even told about the payments. They had Cohen handling everything under the table, so the Trump Organization could maintain plausible deniability.

On the other hand Weisselberg would surely know about the money laundering and secret cash deals with the Russians, so his testimony is still important.


shraby

(21,946 posts)
24. Cohen is on tape telling the donald that he asked Allen (Weisselberg) about setting up a couple of
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:08 PM
Aug 2018

LLC's to handle the payments.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Mueller has the tax returns, and the accountant knows everything omitted from the tax forms.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

Oh shit.

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
14. One more thing:
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:20 PM
Aug 2018

Mr. Mueller knows already what has been omitted. He and his team do not ask any questions that they do not already know the exact answer to in the grand jury format.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. Rule #1 for lawyers. You never ask a question you don't know the answer to.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:10 PM
Aug 2018

That was a big problem in the O J trial.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
30. Well, I have and I was a damned successful trial lawyer. But I get curious.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:21 PM
Aug 2018

When the friend of the subject of my trial said she gave the subject advice, and said she had graduated from ‘lawyer school’, I just had to ask which particular lawyer school.

It was kinda amusing watching her waffle for awhile before allowing that it might not have been exactly a law school she went to.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. LOL. But that's not a key question related to a key element, I think.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018

Not like that glove mistake at the O J trial.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
10. Do you know when this is going to happen?
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:07 PM
Aug 2018

Also, am I correct that he won't be allowed to have an attorney with him at the Grand Jury?

Thanks!

shraby

(21,946 posts)
11. You're right. No lawyers in the cat-bird seat. If they want to consult one,
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:10 PM
Aug 2018

they have to get permission to leave the room and consult in the hall.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
12. I googled to find out when he will testify and here's the scoop.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:14 PM
Aug 2018

(He is testifying in connection with the Cohen case)

Allen Weisselberg, a top Trump Organization official and the company's longtime chief financial officer, has been subpoenaed to testify as part of the ongoing criminal investigation into President Donald Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the investigation.

The Journal reported that it is unclear whether Weisselberg has gone before a grand jury, when the subpoena was issued and what exactly prosecutors want to ask him, but that he is considered to be a witness in the probe.

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
15. Thank you.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:23 PM
Aug 2018

This is by far the most important OP/thread today. I hope everyone here reads and fully appreciates the implications.

Mr.Bill

(24,311 posts)
19. What Trump fears the public learning about
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:56 PM
Aug 2018

is how little money there really is. I'm of the opinion that he's hocked up to his eyeballs to the point where his net worth is a negative number, and it has been for years.


He's got a few properties generating some cash flow, but in total he owns nothing.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
28. This is my take as well. He is in major debt to the Russians.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:15 PM
Aug 2018

All his bluster about being a billionaire is just the usual blather.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
37. I have this image in my head of the guy who used to spin plates on the Ed Sullivan Show
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 09:12 AM
Aug 2018

Of long ago. That’s tRump. It was his strategy for keeping his “empire” afloat by loans and living on them and strategic manipulation of the monies he got by hook or crook. Now it is his strategy for keeping the whole thing from falling in on him and his family of thugs and thieves. So he runs around like a crazy man trying to distract and to deceive the public with tweets and quick and dirty comments as he is about to board a helicopter. He tries to appear too cool for school but the word is leaking out that behind the scenes in the White House he is a seething cauldron of rage and irritability.

The plates he has spent years spinning are wobbling and he is running out of space to give them a spin to keep them going a little while longer. Mueller is closing in on the truth and tRump isn’t privy to all the information already in Mueller’s treasure trove of fatal facts that will bury tRump in a blizzard of unavoidable trouble. It is driving him crazy (crazier?) and there is not much he can do about it. Yes, there are things he COULD do but those things will only bring more trouble. So as he sees his ways out blocked, his behavior is only going to get stranger and more erratic. Pop some corn, fellow DUers. This show is going to get a lot more interesting, really quick.

Cartoonist

(7,320 posts)
44. As I recall
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 12:00 PM
Aug 2018

That guy with the spinning plates used to end his act by catching them all without breaking a single one.

erronis

(15,316 posts)
23. Gotta keep your beady eyes on the ball, douche-bag.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:05 PM
Aug 2018

And best wishes for a cold cell in a federal (or state penitentiary.) Altho I hear that Gitmo has a couple of empty ones now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Is that today? Holy Crapola, Batman!!! POW!!! ZAM!!!
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:01 PM
Aug 2018

This is exciting, gotta say. I'll be surprised if this guy doesn't hold the golden key to all the fraud.

Of course, HE would be charged with a crime, too. So it's possible he'll try to lie. Won't work, but he might try. These guys don't know the truth when it hits them in the face. Their lies have been accepted by so many for so long, that they may not understand the jig is up.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
29. If they called him in
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:17 PM
Aug 2018

They already know, and have him caught up in it all, also, so his only way out is to flip to stay out of prison, trump has to know that and is freaking out because he knows its over, and on all fronts. He won't win , and when they expose all he's allowed to be done to these children even his die hard supporters will turn and demand he gets the max penalties for it all.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
32. Sounds like someone's about to get in a tweet-fight with [insert random celebrity name]
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:58 PM
Aug 2018

Distraction time!!

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
34. No, it is Mueller Time!
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 08:13 PM
Aug 2018

I know that phrase is redundant. But we have to be patient.
Witnesses will be held accountable for everything they say say
and they do not know what Mueller knows so they are liable
to open a new can of worms (unintentionally) because of fears
of perjury.

Everyone of us are speculating but Mueller knows.

EW

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
51. Last time I ate at Mickey D's, I was sick as a dog.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:12 PM
Aug 2018

haven not eaten there now for a couple of decades or more..

PunksMom

(440 posts)
40. All I want to know is this...
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 09:31 AM
Aug 2018

How does this asshat sleep? I mean, simple stuff keeps me up some nights. I’m thinking, I would have resigned months ago.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
41. When you don't have a conscience it is only a game with losers and winners.
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 11:20 AM
Aug 2018

The striking thing about Trump is the remark of his ghost writer who spent many hours with him. He remarked that the Trump had no hesitation in bilking people since he was a man without a conscience. He had no regrets in hiring someone and then refusing to pay them. He didn't hesitate to lie about someone to get an advantage. Trump is as vicious as any tyrant and would throw his kids to the wolves at the drop of a hat.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
43. Especially so because Donald himself hand-waved his way...
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 11:36 AM
Aug 2018

...through crimes Cohen navigated and could recite from memory. Trump's own laziness means that he doesn't really know from which direction comeuppance will arrive.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
46. Comeuppance will come at him from every direction.
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 12:05 PM
Aug 2018

Trump will spend the rest of his filthy life in lawsuits, criminal cases, and ignominy.

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