MI-GOV: El-Sayed's sister-in-law funneled contribution though PAC after maxing out direct donations

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[JNelson6563]

1. Funny, he did what he accused Whitmer of!

I'm trying to recall who else does that projection thing...

[George II]

3. Let me refresh your memory..........oh, never mind!! Bottom line, Whitmer for Governor!!!1

[sheshe2]

2. Hmmmmm

[sheshe2]

4. Declined to comment after his attacks on Whitmer via twitter...now all deleted.

l-Sayed's campaign declined to comment Friday.

On Thursday, the former Detroit health department director posted the Crain's story on Twitter and called the campaign finance scheme that benefited Whitmer "money laundering."

El-Sayed later deleted the tweet and wrote a revised tweet, calling the pro-Whitmer's funding scheme a legalized form of money laundering. He later deleted that tweet and backtracked.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Two tweets deleted now after he himself BROKE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW when she did not.

"It's the height of hypocrisy that Mr. El-Sayed would publicly condemn others for completely legal activity and then so brazenly break campaign finance laws himself," said Mark Burton, a former chief of staff to Whitmer who is running the Build a Better Michigan group.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180803/news/667686/sparks-fly-after-money-laundering-charge-in-democratic-governor-primary

Should be an interesting rally tomorrow in Ypsilanti, MI with AOC and BS for Abdul. Hmmmmm~

PS. Forgive me for only posting initials and not full names. From recent reads I understand that some feel it to be dismissive. Full name or nothing.

OT I love PBO and HC!

[Cha]

22. Oh WOW.. I missed this OP. So Now

El Sayed has Deleted the 2nd Tweet that he was attempting to "Clear Up" the "money Laundering" accusation Tweet?! With the "legal money laundering" tweet? And, he's "breaking campaign finance law"?

Link to tweet

I am behind times.. Thank You, she!

That's too bad they can't handle BS' initials.

[sheshe2]

25. It's hard to keep track of it all, Cha.

I feel like I have whiplash.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. "Declined to comment". I'm not surprised.

[sheshe2]

50. Teeheehee

Hey Tarheeel

[Roland99]

5. Projection. Hmm. Who else does that a lot? Hmmmm

[sheshe2]

6. Holy Shite.

He deleted his attack not once but twice calling her corrupt when in fact she did nothing illegal and come to find out, he did.



........................

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180803/news/667686/sparks-fly-after-money-laundering-charge-in-democratic-governor-primary

"It's the height of hypocrisy that Mr. El-Sayed would publicly condemn others for completely legal activity and then so brazenly break campaign finance laws himself," said Mark Burton, a former chief of staff to Whitmer who is running the Build a Better Michigan group.

[Cha]

23. WTH was El Sayed thinking "breaking campaign finance laws"

"It's the height of hypocrisy that Mr. El-Sayed would publicly condemn others for completely legal activity and then so brazenly break campaign finance laws himself," said Mark Burton, a former chief of staff to Whitmer who is running the Build a Better Michigan group.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180803/news/667686/sparks-fly-after-money-laundering-charge-in-democratic-governor-primary

Mahalo, she .. useful information to pass along.

[sheshe2]

26. You are welcome, Cha.

[lapucelle]

54. And Crain's published a screen shot of the ""money laundering" tweet.

Abdul needs to take responsibility and apologize.

[sheshe2]

56. Aaaand screen shots are forever! :)

Hah, Abdul won't take responsibility and apologize. He should, but he won't.

[MrsCoffee]

7. Typical Our Revolution candidate.

Be as divisive and destructive as possible.

We get lies, propaganda, projection, hypocrisy, misogyny.

Quite a playbook.

[comradebillyboy]

11. You're being too nice to OR.

[yardwork]

32. They're just doing what Putin tells them to do.

It's very simple, really.

[Hortensis]

40. Can't rule out all, certainly, but most are just

wired to oppose the mainstream, to deny all common goals, ridiculous and self-defeating as that makes them. Opposition is just both how they roll and the excuse for their political existence. Stop opposing and what are they?

Their counterparts on the right, the tea-partiers leading to the archconservative Freedom Caucus in the house are the same. Nothing the poor ( ) Republican leadership has ever offered has been enough for the Freedom Caucus for the same reasons.

Mercifully, our leftist obstructionists haven't managed a significant presence in government in almost ever. Thanks to the relatively sensible people who make up most of the Democratic Party.

Of course, their hostility to anything mainstream makes them vulnerable to being used as tools for our enemies. And their own if they could only know it.

[yardwork]

42. Useful fools, predisposed to go along with anything packaged as "antiestablishment."

[Hortensis]

46. Yes.

Totally unknown, absolutely no record to examine? Check!

Call yourself the right label repeatedly, admire everyone else wearing it, recite the signature phrases, and of course act too obsessed with replacing mainstream Democrats to worry about the fascists and white nationalists who've taken over the U.S. government. Repeat.

[yardwork]

48. I've known folks like this all my life. They are gullible.

They reflexively believe that corporations are uniformly evil (although most of them live in upper middle class homes filled with gadgets, especially high end cooking utensils, good wine, nice cars, etc.)

Meanwhile, they uncritically accept that Cuba and the Soviet Union were socialist paradises. They are easily persuaded to vote against the "wrong" Democrat.

Some of these folks I know have PhDs in political science and history. Go figure.

[Hortensis]

57. Yes. Eric Hoffer, author of The True Believer,

turned up via a link the other day to a 1971 piece in the NYT. I hadn't thought about him in a long time, but apparently events are bringing him to other minds. This clip isn't an extension of your exasperated comments on people we've all seen all our lives, usually running into their convictions (and away) at parties, but you reminded me of it anyway.

It is maintained that a society is free only when dissenting minorities have room to throw their weight around. As a matter of fact, a dissenting minority feels free only when it can impose its will on the majority: what it abominates most is the dissent of the majority.

Yup to this too.

[markses66]

8. Oh boy

[R B Garr]

9. Proof of how they just make stuff up.

This sounds so familiar.

[RandySF]

10. The doc in the tweet is a report just filed with the MI Sec. of State

Hamoud didn't realize how obvious the transactions looked.

[NCTraveler]

12. His call for unity after his attacks makes a bit more sense now. Nt

[SunSeeker]

18. LOL Yup. nt

[kcr]

13. Holy shit.

This explains the deleted tweets and sudden good behavior.

[JCanete]

14. So, what is the charge here? What is the suspicion? I'm not following it. Was something hidden from

discovery? apparently not. Is anythign illegal? It doesn't sound on the surface like anything was, and again, its traceable. It is disclosed, correct?

"In fact, Whitmer's own father, Richard Whitmer, gave both a $6,800 maximum contribution to his daughter's gubernatorial campaign and $10,000 to Build a Better Michigan, according to disclosure reports. Richard Whitmer is a former CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan."


Or am I missing something? What is 'shady out of state money'? Is that money untraceable? Or is that just a characterization of it made to even the score here? I'm finding this whole article astonishingly high on hyperbole and very low on substance of the actual campaign finance crime El-Sayed is being accused of. Thankfully in the middle it addresses some of the actual context of the funding, but maybe there's a more thorough break-down of exactly what has been done here.

[George II]

28. Read the article linked in the tweet and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180803/news/667686/sparks-fly-after-money-laundering-charge-in-democratic-governor-primary

Also, El-Sayed first claimed that Whitmer was "money laundering", then changed it to "legal money laundering", then deleted it altogether.

[JCanete]

29. and he was referring to 500,000 dollars of dark money. He was stupid to use the term

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money laundering, or if you want, cynical to do so, since money laundering is by definition illegal activity.

Edited for yardwork:

El-Sayed's point was about that much money being funneled anonymously into Whitmer's campaign. But that isn't the same as the charge levied against him by Whitmer's campaign. While it might be a valid criticism to point out the circumvention of campaign finance limits by some of El-Sayed's donors, that argument loses a whole lot of steam if the same tactics were used by family members and other donors to Whitmer's campaign, which appears to be the case.

[NCTraveler]

31. Your in the same camp most are.

It isn’t money laundering or “legal money laundering.”

[yardwork]

33. Word salad.

[JCanete]

34. helpful. A post with no value except to shame me for my post. If you gave a shit about

trying to understand what I was saying you might say, "what are you saying, I'm losing you here?" But that isn't your intention is it.

[yardwork]

35. Ad hominem.

[JCanete]

37. Which post? nt

[George II]

43. That much money wasn't "funneled anonymously into Whitmer's campaign". Not a penny.

Please research campaign finance laws, 527 political organizations, and other legal and valid political committees.

El-Sayed is running in the high teens in the polls vs. Whitmer's more than double 40%, and he's getting desperate.

[JCanete]

44. sorry, if I said that that was totally mistaken. I don't need to go back to reread. I didn't mean it

was put directly into her campaign. That was sloppy, sorry.

[George II]

45. Here's a discussion about the specifics of the incident:

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-truth-squad/truth-squad-abdul-el-sayed-says-rival-gretchen-whitmer-opens-door-dark-money

[heaven05]

53. wrong

but loyalties make for strange bedfellows. Just look at trump, putin. Your accusations are not based in truth. I need proof to believe what you just accused the Wittmer campaign of doing when Abdul has shown that he is the recipient of very suspect funds. This guy is going to lose. Trump has made every decent person very hyper-aware of cons and crooks. I hope Wittmer sp[anks his ass and sends him back to his momma

[betsuni]

15. K&R

[SidDithers]

16. Is that legal money laundering?...

or just hypocrisy?

Sid

[sheshe2]

27. Lol

[lapucelle]

41. Hypocrisy.

"Dark money isn’t made light by making unsubstantiated accusations about a mundane, non-corporate, fully transparent and entirely legal political donation," said Adam Joseph, communications director for El-Sayed's campaign. "Dark money is made light by disclosing where funds are coming from."

Mr. Joseph should express those concerns to Our Revolution whose endorsement his candidate applied for and accepted.

[MineralMan]

17. It's all part of the overall plan.

First, sow confusion and distrust in Democratic primary races. That way, no matter who ends up on the General Election ballot, many Democrats are frustrated and hesitant to vote, giving the Republican candidate a leg up.

We've seen this before, I believe, with some of the same players involved.

[radical noodle]

21. Indeed we have, MineralMan

It's almost as though someone doesn't want Democrats to win.

[MineralMan]

24. But, surely that can't be the case, right?

I mean...

[radical noodle]

59. Highly unlikely, I'm sure

Seriously...

[Squinch]

51. Though some insist this is not happening, it is obvious to anyone paying attention.

[MineralMan]

52. Yes. It's clear.

So, the arguments are interesting.

[Scurrilous]

19. K&R

[radical noodle]

20. K&R

[roamer65]

30. Don't worry, Gretchen has this one in the bag.

With our MJ legalization and independent districting commission proposal on the ballot, the progressive vote in November is going to be very large.

MI is going to go very leftist on election night.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

47. Any chance of changing the legislative branch in Lansing?

I'm hoping we get a Dem governor this time. Snyder was bad enough, we don't need Schuette.

[oberliner]

36. Any response from The Intercept?

[Voltaire2]

38. So is it bad to make these sort of accusations or not?

Please explain.

[RandySF]

39. It's not good to accuse your opponent of money laundering

When your sister-in-law funnels money through another relative’s PAC after she maxed out of direct contributions.

[Voltaire2]

58. But it is ok otherwise?

[James48]

55. I can tell you this-

Abdul’s’s ground game is top notch , and Gretchen’s is weak. I’ve gotten excited texts, calls, and repeat calls supporting Abdul from friends and from complete stranger volunteers, and I’ve gotten like one from Gretchen’s campaign.

I don’t know who will win the primary, but it is refreshing to have 2 good candidates.

Within extended family, Adbdul is ahead. We’re 3rd generation Michigan all.

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. Again with the anecdotes. Nothing in the scientific polling backs your claims, but please proceed.