60 shot, nine dead in Chicago since Friday

[oberliner]

Dozens of people were wounded in shootings across Chicago since Friday, police said.

One paramedic described the evening as "a war zone."

Since midnight, police said 43 people have been shot, six fatally. Since Friday at 5 p.m., 60 people have been shot, nine fatally, in shootings in Chicago.

34 of the shootings and five deaths occurred between 10 a.m. Saturday and 10 a.m. Sunday, according to police. During one two-and-a-half hour-hour period, 25 people were shot in five multi-injury shootings.

http://abc7chicago.com/8-wounded-in-gresham-shooting;-at-least-30-shot-in-chicago-sunday/3886976/

Depressing.

[dhol82]

1. So, what is going on?

Seems weird.

[oberliner]

4. About 15 of those shot were in their teens. One boy was 11.

This article has some informative details:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-shootings-violence-20180804-story.html

[dhol82]

21. I still don't understand why Chicago has become a Mecca of gun deaths.

What is is about this city that drives this crazy?

[oberliner]

22. Examining The Reasons For Chicago's Violence (NPR, 2016)

Some interesting theories and insights here:

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/03/492549546/examining-the-reasons-for-chicagos-violence

[heaven05]

41. right...

my reasons are more to the point and don't try to keep white people and their feeling good about themselves as my priority. I added a list in response to a query below from someone I feel really wants to explore some of the reasons white people HATE African-americans, and it is much better than some NPR BS.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. What the heck goes on out there? And why?

Absolutely senseless.

[oberliner]

3. A lot of gang violence

Also these numbers tend to go up during the summer.

Here's CNN's coverage:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/us/chicago-weekend-shootings/index.html

[Flaleftist]

11. One explanation I have heard is unorganized gangs.

So in other major cities there may be major gangs who have their own territories. There are occasional disputes, but for the most part they have their territory. In Chicago it's a free for all with no one major gang having significant control of anything.

In LA, the Crips normally wouldn't put their people on corners that the Bloods owned. In Chicago it is constant fighting amongst the gangs for territory.

Maybe that's BS and there are other reasons, but that is what I was told by someone who used to live there.

[Abnredleg]

16. Chicago has 59 main gangs

which are further divided into over 2,000 sub-gangs. This fragmentation was the result of federal prosecution of the leaders of the larger gangs, which created a leadership vacuum, and the demolishing of the concentrated public housing, which scattered the gangs across the city. Now's it's just a free for all, with gangs fighting over a few blocks.

[underthematrix]

5. The Nation of Islam headquarters is in Chicago. Whenever the NOI came to

southern CA to do an event there was NEVER EVER any violence even though there would be a significant number og gang members from competing gangs. Let me repeat. There was never ever any violence. Now the question I want to see answered is why there's this violence in Chicago, a city that is home ot the Nation of Islam.

Folks need to start asking why because it looks like the violence is intentional and well coordinated.

[oberliner]

10. What are you suggesting?

Do you have a theory as to what the answer could be to your question?

[underthematrix]

24. I think NOI has some splaining to do.

I don't get how this kind of violence is happening on their watch. It just doesn't make sense.

[heaven05]

6. AND YOUR POINT?

for this blazing expose'? No reason for this except to cast a negative light on.....Chicago. Feel better now?

[oberliner]

8. Huh?

It's a news story that I thought folks here would be interested in.

I found it heartbreaking.

[Tipperary]

13. For some reason, du hates stories about certain crimes. I cannot imagine why.

Even if I could, I would not dare voice my opinion.

[heaven05]

17. go ahead

voice your opinion. Nothing stopping you. Didn't stop the OP. Say it like you think it. Don't dress it up or try to act in any manner but how you really feel about this subject. Amerika is a hateful violent and vicious racially divided country. Always has been. The amount of frustration inherent in this violence is evident. But then I would know that you wouldn't. I don't know if all the good Americans can relate to that type of racially based frustration. In fact, I know most here cannot. So pointing out the violence may make SOME feel better about themselves but as usual, the reasons behind the violence is never part of any blazing expose' here. I wonder why. Just blazing headlines to create an immediate picture. Not the deeply troubling reason(s) behind it. Defacto segregation, no jobs, shitty education. Disgusting is what I find these type of OP's as. And quite obvious in intent.

[Tipperary]

30. Sooo, black folks killing other black folks is "racially based" frustration?

I must be missing something here.

[heaven05]

39. more than likely

you are. No surprise

[Eyeball_Kid]

52. Gangs feed an economic system

normally under everyone’s radar. It’s all about the money. Gangs grow out of economic need and competition for money from illegal products and services. The shootings are an illegal and immoral outgrowth of a closed “Justice” system. It’s culturally defined as another world entirely. The failed education system, ineffective for decades, renders the pursuance of careers as fantasy in the face of raw poverty, replaced by the “gang ethos.” Chicago’s rampant gang violence is a community response to the dead end that young people encounter when they come to learn that their economic futures are not just bleak; they’re cut off.

[Trust Buster]

27. BING friggin' Go. Ain't that the truth. Thanks.

[heaven05]

14. sure

[oberliner]

15. What do you think can be done to help reduce gun violence in US cities?

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts and insights.

[heaven05]

19. Two words

equal opportunity.

[Shemp Howard]

36. That's it.

Every young person needs to have the same opportunity that a white kid had back in 1970. And I'm not talking about college. That playing field has pretty much been leveled.

I'm talking about opportunities for kids who, for whatever reason, do not go to college. Back in 1970 a white kid right out of high school could get a good job in a factory. And in many cases, he had a number of different companies to choose from, Get a good job, learn a trade there, and start saving for a house.

Who has that opportunity today? Not a black kid in an inner city. And not a white kid in Appalachia. I'm not making any excuses for young people who turn to violence. But I have to wonder. What choices has society given them?

[heaven05]

40. "what choices has society given them"

this racist bigoted and hypocritical society has given none. And you are right. Appalachia is still a forgotten area. As the poor of cities, the urban population has always been. And what gets to me in knowing my history. A successful and thriving black community like Greenwood Oklahoma(Black Wall Street) where African-americans had "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps" and were very successful was destroyed on some allegation of black impropriety toward a white person. One of the largest MASSACRES of AA in amerika. By jealous and racist whites who still to this day cannot stand an intelligent and successful black person. The names of Michelle and Barack Obama come up in my mind as to example of African-american succes and still were subject to the horrible racially descriptive words used against the First Family, Malia and Sasha included.

Would you not be frustrated by continuing racism, segregation, no jobs, shitty education, and being cramped into urban 'homelands akin to south African apartheid 'black homelands"?

American history all the way up till today is one of killing and destroying black lives only because they are black

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/10/4/in_1898_white_supremacists_killed_60
https://www.thedailybeast.com/americas-forgotten-mass-lynching-when-237-people-were-murdered-in-arkansas
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/thibodaux-massacre-left-60-african-americans-dead-and-spelled-end-unionized-farm-labor-south-decades-180967289/


Just for your information and the author of this OP
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ they just did their violence all at one time, in a continuous manner up till this day. But back to the historical setting for black frustration..in large part because of White people and their continuing HATE of AFRICAN-americans
http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=1102
https://blackthen.com/mass-murder-of-african-americans-in-the-1910-slocum-massacre-in-east-texas/
for those who chose to ignore African-american history in this country
https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/freedom/1865-1917/essays/nadir.htm
back to frustration at white people and their racist hate being turned into black on black crime
for those who chose NOT to appreciate African-american contribution to the development of amerika
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/african-americans-and-war-independence
for those who just can't understand black frustration and anger turned inside as the cause of black on black crime which saddens the hell out of me just because we as African-americans already have a virulently vicious and racist enemy in this society now guided by a potus
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/06/13/history-of-americas-deadliest-mass-shootings-against-african-americans/
and on and on it goes till this day. Every killing/murdering of an unarmed and non-threatening African american man woman and child add to the frustration, so for the life of me I do understand why WHITE RACISM is denied as a cause of black frustration and the turning in of that hate against each other. The self-hate whites have created in the African-American community(s) is a job well-done Amerika I'm through with trying to explain anything to people who want to believe blaring headlines of the such as this OP without a care of what helps perpetuate our violence and self-hate. I teach love for each other among my black brothers and sisters and even try to teach white people that love for others different from them. Some are here, most don't give goddamn.

And then there's the First-americans................

[LanternWaste]

45. That's the allegation I'd use as well.

"I found it heartbreaking..."

[MichMan]

18. Kind of hard to put anything but a negative light on it

[heaven05]

20. true

yet why the violence? It's not just that violence is a fact of life in certain communities. And it's not just racially based. White people are as responsible for the violence in amerika as AA. Las Vegas, that clown killed how many in a few minutes. No excuse, he was rich and white and not oppressed in any manner. Parkland, a high end school in a high end community. School violence, police violence. A violent amerikan culture has bred the intra and inter-racial violence whether they be black, brown or white. We have a violent, vicious society exacerbated by the racial, economic and educational disparity(s) of our country. If those disparities could be solved I know violence, as is pointed out in this OP, would drop.

[malaise]

54. You are absolutely correct

It is the culture of violence, indifference to the value of life and economic disparity that drives it.
Funny that when RW racists kill other white people, or white people slaughter their own, we don't hear about white on white violence.
It is people with power who thrive as they divide and rule who foment reasons for this non-stop violence. One thing I know for sure - folks are getting rich with the sale of weapons in several places including Chicago and here in my part of the planet.

[heaven05]

55. OOOHH BAM!!!!!

so true....couldn't have said it better myself.

[malaise]

57. True story

We have these guys who clean windshields. One of them cleaned every car we owned for close to 30 years. As he got older the new guys would beat him up. Others his age were killed or had to find new street corners to do their trade. He told us he once had a job but he made more money wiping car windows. He told us that none of them would survive if they were not in gangs.

When a fucking judge can tell people that schools don't guarantee something as basic as literacy we have a problem.
The establishment starves poor people of resources and then blames the for their situation.

They could learn something from the NBA. The weakest teams get the best picks. If society actually cared about poor people they would provide the needed resources. Any country that spends what the US spends on its military while depriving their own citizens of basic resources is fucking crazy and wants it that way.
They want these people dead.

[heaven05]

64. yep, ever word

from my experience, also

[underthematrix]

23. Oh my. I'm AFrican American and I've been to Chicago and loved it. I always

felt safe in the city. I also love it because it is the center of the Great Migration of African Americans. I love it because our greatest President of all time, President Obama made his home in Chicago. I love it because it's setting of one of my favorite all time movies, Raisin in the Sun. I love it because no city has produced more #BlackExcellence among middle and high school students than the city if Chicago.

I wasn't dissing Chicago. I was saying that everyone who claims love of our people ain't about our people.

[heaven05]

25. my answer was not to you.

it was to the OP writer. NOT YOU. Sorry if things got mixed up.

[underthematrix]

26. Thank you for letting me know.

I appreciate it.

[John Fante]

35. +1

Shootings in Chicago are down 30% and murders are down 25% from 2017, but that doesn't score points for the GOP, so need to start a thread about it.

[heaven05]

43. or for others

for that matter. Just blaring headlines that are obvious as to implied intent in people understanding....most are just headline readers so they will go no further. It's so obvious...geez

[obamanut2012]

42. You are getting flak

But I understand your point and agree with you.

[heaven05]

47. yeah on the flak

probably coming from the usual suspects. But I have an answer to someone above to their question "what choices have society given them" which is a partial answer to a very complicated problem called human beings. I will never understand racism fully I guess because human beings are so intricately perplexing. As proven by the obvious and not so obvious responses to a very obvious, in intent, OP.

[malaise]

7. Looks like thy need a cold front

What is this about?

[oberliner]

9. CNN indicated that this sort of violence does tend to increase during the summer

And it's been in the 90s there this weekend, so I'm sure that doesn't help matters.

[malaise]

12. Clearly

The heat and the very long days - but clearly there are serious problems here.
We have similar problems and many of the gangs are manipulated by politicians and other community leaders. They even rent their weapons.

[MountCleaners]

38. Indeed

We've had a heat wave this weekend. This kind of thing happens whenever the temperature heats up.

[fleabiscuit]

28. A site to keep handy...

Gun Violence Archive
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

...the last 72 hours
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

[oberliner]

29. Thanks for sharing that

Something needs to change.

[heaven05]

48. gun violence

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

[doc03]

31. My Fox News addicted friend says it was all MS13. I guess that must be the

line at Fox, got to be Mexicans.

[John Fante]

32. Chicago doesn't have the highest murder rate in the country.

So why zero in on it? It's a rhetorical question, I know why.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.chicagoist.com/amp/articles/create%3farticle_id=57c4705cada6e20b2551018a

For a certain segment of conservative politicians and pundits—far from all, to be sure—pointing out what is often referred to as “black-on-black crime” in Chicago has become the preferred shorthand for castigating ineffectual liberalism, reinforcing racial wedges and feigning a concern for crime victims—even when their voting records paint a different picture of their priorities.

[oberliner]

34. 44 people were shot in 14 hours there today, 5 fatally

The youngest of the shooting victims was 11.

It's one of the top stories on the CNN website right now.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/us/chicago-weekend-shootings/index.html

[heaven05]

49. shooting violence

in amerika
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

[oberliner]

63. Let's at least take a moment to remember the lives that were lost

Maybe we can forget statistics and politics for a second.

[heaven05]

65. right

😲 if you say so........

[oberliner]

66. Remembering Jahnae Patterson - Chicago Tribune

Family and friends attend a vigil for Jahnae Patterson, 17, who was killed after being shot in the face earlier in the morning on Aug. 5, 2018.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/photos/ct-jahnae-patterson-vigil-shooting-chicago-photos-20180805-photogallery.html

[heaven05]

67. right....

you are not impressing me with your 'show of compassion' here. I just don't believe that is your intent, compassion. Or the intent of your original OP. There I said it and I will stand by it, forever.

[noobareus]

58. because of the sheer numbers

Chicago doesn't need to be the highest murder rate.Because of the size of the city the raw numbers give shock value

[LandOfHopeAndDreams]

33. America Does Not Value Life

All the supposed pro-lifers can fuck the hell off. They don't give a shit about lives. Most would readily proclaim their infatuation with guns, and guess what? GUNS KILL!

The bottom line is that many Americans don't care about the value of a human life.

[AncientGeezer]

37. You think this Chicago deal is on "pro-lifers"?

People kill with guns....a gun in Chicago NEVER pulled it's own trigger.

[Amishman]

46. Chicago's problem isn't guns

The city has an abundance of violence with knives, fists, and any other method you could imagine.

The problem is poverty, lack of opportunity, and lack of skills. It is very difficult to climb at the bottom of the ladder, as the rungs are far apart. Those who have spent their entire lives at the bottom find greater opportunity with gangs, drugs, and crime than build themselves up the traditional way.

[Kingofalldems]

44. Ahhh--now I get it.

It's a right wing meme just starting today.

Link to tweet

[oberliner]

61. Blaming Democrats and politicizing these deaths is sickening

We are talking about human beings here whose lives were ended by gun violence.

[struggle4progress]

50. Murders typically peak in evenings, over weekends, and during summer months

So far this year, Chicago gun homicides appear to be down, compared to the last two years

[MountCleaners]

53. Yes.

It is distressing that people are being shot, but too often I see it mentioned with hysteria on Facebook, where white flight racists use it as a reason why they don't visit the city anymore.

Hysteria about violent crime is the mark of racists.

There were twice as many murders every year in the 1990s. The numbers will continue to go down.

[oberliner]

56. Thankfully, here on DU we can discuss such topics without that kind of hysteria

A 17 year old girl standing on the sidewalk being shot in the face and left to die in a major city is not something that should just be ignored because it is happening less frequently than it did in the 1990s.

44 people (many of them children) were shot in a 14 hour period yesterday in Chicago, 5 of them fatally. I don't see how anyone can react to that with a shrug, or worse, express the opinion that we shouldn't discuss such topics for some reason.

[oberliner]

59. Sad that gun violence is still relatively commonplace in this country

To the point that five people being shot to death on a Sunday night doesn't generate as much of an emotional reaction as a dumb tweet. Because "Chicago gun homicides appear to be down" ? So what's the acceptable number of teenagers being shot to death on a Sunday night?

[struggle4progress]

68. America's gun violence is a disgrace. And right-wingers frequently misrepresent Chicago:

... Rudy Giuliani weighed in on a bloody weekend in Chicago, in a mistake-laden tweetstorm, blaming the city’s Democratic elected leaders ... Giuliani.. twice misspelled Mayor Rahm Emanuel's last name, and falsely claimed 63 people had been murdered over the weekend ... Giuliani also mistakenly claimed Chicago has had more murders "than ever before" under Mayor Rahm Emanuel's leadership ... While Chicago did have a major spike in murders in 2016, with more than 700 homicides for the first time in nearly 20 years, murders actually peaked in the city in the 1970s and 1990s; with the city seeing 970 homicides in 1974, and topping 900 murders three times in the mid 90s. Chicago’s murder totals also dropped significantly last year, dropping from 771 in 2016 to 650 in 2017 ...
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/08/06/rudy-giuliani-garry-mccarthy-jerry-rahm-emanuel-emmanuel-tweets/

The right-wingers like to point to Chicago as evidence gun control doesn't work -- but most weapons used for crimes in Chicago come from nearby areas with weaker gun laws

[Mc Mike]

51. Twitler's secret plan not working out.

It's almost like the reich wing didn't actually care about that uptick in big city violent crime, in a few big cities. Though they railed about it in the elections.

[oberliner]

60. "What the hell have you got to lose?"

[Mc Mike]

62. ... by voting for (that wonderful august successful storied institution known as) tRump.