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Tension between the judge and the prosecution team boiled over again late Monday as prosecutors attempted to introduce Gatess passport as evidence of his travels to Ukraine and Cyprus. Ellis interrupted them.
Lets get to the heart of the matter, he scowled.
Judge, weve been at the heart Andres interrupted.
Just listen to me! Ellis bellowed from the bench.
Ellis told Andres he was looking for ways to expedite. Andres responded, Were doing everything we can to move the trial along.
After sending the jury out of the courtroom, Ellis tore into Andres for what he called unnecessary questions about billionaires involved in Ukrainian politics.
Andres pushed back angrily, prompting a heated argument that went on for more than 10 minutes.
Ellis repeatedly criticized Andres for not making eye contact with him, saying, Look at me and suggesting that the prosecutor looked down as if to say, Thats BS.
Andres responded with frustration, saying, You continue to interpret our reactions in some way, when the lawyers dont do the same to the judge.
Ellis disputed that he had limited prosecutors significantly or interrupted them often, saying the record would support him on that.
I will stand by the record as well, Andres retorted.
All right, then you will lose, Ellis responded.
enough
(13,259 posts)Ive had hope for Judge Ellis to run an honest courtroom, but this is starting to sound unhinged. Hope Andres isnt counting on building a record for appeal. He seems to be actively pushing the judge. Doesnt seem like smart trial strategy, goading the ref.
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)It must be very frustrating when the judge won't let you follow the trial strategy you planned to employ. Ellis is obsessed with the amount of time the trial should take. At one point last week, when they were going over the witness schedule, he suggested that they cut two hours out of the testimony of the accounting firm personnel, without even knowing what exactly they were going to say. He also would not let them take the jury through some of their exhibits, although he eventually did let them enter the stuff into evidence.
Thank goodness that he's not the judge on the money laundering case.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I understand the need to move things along, but Ellis goes beyond that.
The "Rocket Docket" seems almost to taking sides.
ETA: perhaps the rapid pace of the trial could help by having a verdict
before the midterms.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)former9thward
(32,006 posts)And asks questions which have nothing to do with the case? And that is being bought off?
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)former9thward
(32,006 posts)As the judge pointed out, that is not against the law. And more importantly it is not evidence on the elements of the charge against Manafort. It is testimony intended to prejudice the jury against the defendant which is what prosecutors love to do.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)Those testifying were able to confirm both - payments from foreign bank accounts for goods and services (from foreign accts that Manafort lied to his accountants about and lied to the IRS about and where Manafort hid his money), and fraudulent invoices vendors that somebody created to make personal transactions appear to be business expenses. Those are facts very relevant to the case and something the jury needs to know about.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... or approve of it before hand?
Seems like there's some pretrial stuff that should've happened to make sure the prosecution can present their case without being hampered
TomSlick
(11,098 posts)My question is whether the Judge is interposing these comments without an objection from the defense attorneys. If he is, he will be telegraphing to the jury that he is on the defense side.
Takket
(21,568 posts)that there is such a heavy burden of proof on the prosecution in criminal cases, making it quite difficult to convict someone (after all a person's freedom is on the line), yet the judge seems to be handcuffing the prosecution's ability to present an air tight case against Manafort. Maybe they don't need 1000 pieces of proof, maybe only 500 will convince the jury, but if you have 1000, why not use them???
If Manafort "gets off" because the jury thinks the prosecution didn't "prove their case" there is no retrying him. They get one shot at this, and the judge seems to be trying to make it more difficult. Why?
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)What the hell is up with these people?
a kennedy
(29,661 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)A lot of the pre-trial stuff he was really rough in the defense for trying to cause delays, he was pretty rude when he slapped those down too.