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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:42 PM Aug 2018

Mike Pence: The President's repeated lies to the American people are grounds for impeachment

(CNN)Vice President Mike Pence once argued the president of the United States should be held to the highest moral standards to determine whether he should resign or be removed from office.

Pence made the argument in two columns in the late 1990s, where he wrote that then-President Bill Clinton's admission of an affair with a White House intern and prior lies to the public about the matter, possibly under oath, meant Clinton should be removed from office.

Yet Pence also moved beyond the specifics of the Clinton case: He made a far-reaching argument about the importance of morality and integrity to the office of the presidency.

Pence wrote the columns in the late 1990s when he was a local Indiana radio host and prominent conservative voice in the state arguing Clinton had lost his moral authority to lead the country. One of the columns, "The Two Schools of Thought on Clinton," was posted on his now-defunct website for his radio talk show. Another column, "Why Clinton Must Resign or Be Impeached," was posted on his congressional campaign website. Both columns were archived by the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. The columns ran in various Indiana newspapers at the time but did not get national attention.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics/kfile-mike-pence-moral-columns/index.html


http://web.archive.org/web/20010306205858fw_/http:/www.cybertext.net/pence/pres.html

Further, the Presidents repeated lies to the American people in this matter compound the case against him as they demonstrate his failure to protect the institution of the presidency as the 'inspiring supreme symbol of all that is highest in our American ideals'. Leaders affect the lives of families far beyond their own 'private life'. In the Bible story of Esther we are told of a king who was charged to put right his own household because there would be "no end of disrespect and discord" among the families of the kingdom if he failed to do so. In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again.

The challenge for the Republican Congress lies in the fact that the polls may be right. The American people may deeply wish to move on and put this unpleasantness behind us. Regrettably, the Constitution does not permit such a national denial. If the President does not resign, the Republican Congress must impeach him even if it costs them their majority because the laws of this republic charge them with the duty to so act. Absent an uncharacteristic act of selflessness by the President, it is left to the Republicans to live up to their label and defend the laws and institutions of this Republic. If our leaders flinch at this responsibility, they would do well to heed the Proverb "if a ruler listens to lies, all his officials become wicked". Our leaders must either act to restore the luster and dignity of the institution of the Presidency or we can be certain that this is only the beginning of an even more difficult time for our land. For the nation to move on, the President must move out.


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Mike Pence: The President's repeated lies to the American people are grounds for impeachment (Original Post) Miles Archer Aug 2018 OP
If you looked up "hypocrite" in the dictionary Ohiogal Aug 2018 #1
It should be there. Front and center. LisaL Aug 2018 #6
... with flames surrounding his portrait. fierywoman Aug 2018 #10
Imagine that....nt 2naSalit Aug 2018 #2
Mike Pence: Useless Blue Owl Aug 2018 #3
Pence's only job is to.. at140 Aug 2018 #7
Pence stands reverently behind trDump and worships every word trDump says. magicarpet Aug 2018 #13
Of course G_j Aug 2018 #4
That's great and all techne7319 Aug 2018 #5
wow dweller Aug 2018 #8
Stern has a heart and a conscience. ProfessorPlum Aug 2018 #34
If a person expects a rightwing republican to be anything but a hypocrit. Blue_true Aug 2018 #9
OUCH! keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #11
Expect Republicans to be hypocrites. Better to see it in magnified malevolence. Enoki33 Aug 2018 #12
AWKWARD! Mike Pence once argued a lying, cheating president should be removed from office -- he proba Gothmog Aug 2018 #14
Stupidly and religiously evil. dchill Aug 2018 #15
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #16
I don't quite comprehend what you are writing about here. Could you please clarify? NBachers Aug 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #21
Huh? Heartstrings Aug 2018 #19
I'm not trying to troll you - I'm trying to get you to think AldoLeopold Aug 2018 #22
piss off, ghost! 0rganism Aug 2018 #27
Just had that guy on a jury alert. edbermac Aug 2018 #29
You're either being very cryptic, or you're actually trying to argue here on DU mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #28
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat Aug 2018 #25
Vengeance won't bring who's son back? The post is about Mike Pence being a hypocrite Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #24
What does this have to do with Mike Pence's hypocrisy? KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #26
Some SuperPAC ought to be started which just funds full page ads in newspapers across the country RockRaven Aug 2018 #18
We tried to warn you LittleGirl Aug 2018 #20
This is great but like comparing apples to buffalo. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #30
Innocent and decent people duforsure Aug 2018 #31
republicans piss all over their own claimed "religion" by being rank hypocrites Achilleaze Aug 2018 #32
Pence excels at hypocrisy and ... Martin Eden Aug 2018 #33

techne7319

(173 posts)
5. That's great and all
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:03 PM
Aug 2018

but according to the president, he himself has done nothing wrong, and I’m sure Pence would agree.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. If a person expects a rightwing republican to be anything but a hypocrit.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:23 PM
Aug 2018

Then I have some ocean front land in Arizona that I would like that person to look at. Some things are predictable, a rightwing republican lying is one of those things.

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AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
22. I'm not trying to troll you - I'm trying to get you to think
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:05 AM
Aug 2018

You're not catching a troll - you're just ignoring what I'm saying.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
28. You're either being very cryptic, or you're actually trying to argue here on DU
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:33 AM
Aug 2018

That we should stop pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of right-wingers on accounta 'bad things are gonna happen' .. a point justified in your eyes because this was a 'duly held election' and therefore we need to STFU and quit trying to undermine Trump ... apparently ignoring the fact that if his treasonous behavior, conspiring with a foreign adversary who's goals are ANTITHETICAL to the goals of the United States and it's democracy, directly led to the outcome of said 'duly-held election' ... it is actually no longer actually 'duly held', and thus your argument is invalid.

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Quixote1818

(28,936 posts)
24. Vengeance won't bring who's son back? The post is about Mike Pence being a hypocrite
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:13 AM
Aug 2018

It has nothing to do with anyone's kids who were killed. The rest of your post is incoherent.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
26. What does this have to do with Mike Pence's hypocrisy?
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:17 AM
Aug 2018

I think you're on the wrong blog and will find no solace here.

Do you really think this tiny group of Democrats have "created maniacs all over the country" compared to Trump and his 24/7 right-wing media empire (Fox, Limbaugh, Alex Jones, et al)?

...... ..........

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
18. Some SuperPAC ought to be started which just funds full page ads in newspapers across the country
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 12:36 AM
Aug 2018

reprinting all the criticisms/editorials by Pence, Congressional GOPers, and Trump cabinet officials which -- if taken on face value -- clearly apply to Trump.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,491 posts)
30. This is great but like comparing apples to buffalo.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:49 AM
Aug 2018

tRump's lies and deceptions - just like those of right-wing media and most other GOP politicians - are tearing apart the very fabric of our democracy and destroying our standing on the international stage.

By that logic, Donald tRump should have already been impeached at least 1,000 times.....

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
31. Innocent and decent people
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 06:09 AM
Aug 2018

Aren't liars, corrupt , or career criminals. This president is one, and surrounds himself with them. He's desperately now trying to claim he and everyone around him , and his followers are victims now, when its really justice, and the truth snapping at their heals.

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