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Marthe48

(16,959 posts)
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:52 PM Aug 2018

My friend thought HRC would face many problems

had she been elected.
As far as trumpopovitch is concerned we are on the same side of the fence, but she isn't as woke as I am.

After we talked, I thought about her comment. Here are some problems we wouldn't have if Ms. Clinton were president:

The refugee and migrant families separated at our borders. Those souls would be enmeshed in normal red tape, a real pain, but they would be together.

The tariff and trade problems. We wouldn't be robbing Peter to pay Paul for crops

We would have investigations, but they wouldn't be about real crimes and treason. They would be gop inspired claptrap. However, I think the trump campaign would be under investigation, it is too big to ignore.

The national parks and nature preserves wouldn't be shrinking, getting drilled or other damage.

Our international standing would be about the same as it was in 2016, instead of flushed down the toilet.

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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
1. Kennedy may have not stepped down from the court. Yes it would be possible with R congress that
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:04 PM
Aug 2018

no one including Garland ever got through at first , but eventually some better compromise in our favor would have been made in the seat left by scalias death with Clinton as POTUS

To me the SC was one of the most important reasons to vote16
Also climate change

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
10. I think if HRC had won, which she would have if not for Comey,
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 02:20 AM
Aug 2018

we at least would have taken the Senate back, if not the House. We would have won the close races in WI, PA, NC and even MO.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
13. I agree that Comey was the biggest factor in her loss.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:19 PM
Aug 2018

I don't know how the man sleeps or looks himself in the mirror, but I guess just fine.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. I bet Congress would have tried -- or at least put up a show -- to impeach her for something.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:05 PM
Aug 2018

But, I bet she would have stood tough and not resorted to trumpian junk.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
9. 100% certain
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 02:09 AM
Aug 2018

Republicans despise women in high places of power. Drives them nuts. I still refer to David Brock's book "Blinded by the Right." He wrote that during the vast right wing conspiracy '90s all the right wing magazines quickly learned that all they had to do to boost sales well above the norm was to caricature a prominent woman on the cover along with a demeaning headline.

I've never forgotten that and it's one of the reasons I always knew Hillary was in trouble if we ran her in a toss-up cycle as opposed to a heavily favorable cycle like 2008. Those hateful conservatives of every age will summon all misogynist energy to vote against a female.

Hillary would be under impeachment proceedings right now, or already. There is no way to look at issues and say that this wouldn't have met the standard, nor that one. They'd rationalize anything and Trump would be screaming every day that she fixed the election and should be in jail, or worse.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,857 posts)
3. The biggest problem would have been
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 12:29 AM
Aug 2018

that the Republican Congress would have done everything in its power to thwart any legislation, and judicial appointments, anything at all that she'd have tried to do.

And I doubt she'd have tried a go-around by issuing lots of Executive Orders.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
7. We wouldn't have those stupid tax cuts to
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:26 AM
Aug 2018

rob the poor and middle class to benefit the billionaires and trump donors.

ProgRocknProgPol

(143 posts)
8. Honestly I have to agree with your friend
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:33 AM
Aug 2018

Can you imagine how things would be for Bill Clinton with the MeToo movement being galvanized while he's in the White House again? Also, I'm sure we'd have the Benghazi zombie resurrected in some form or some other pointless investigation every year or so.
Finally, the likes of Wikileaks, 4chan, and the right and alt-right media complex would probably be even more destructive than ever.

That being said, I'd definitely prefer to have her in the White House again, and I do think she (and maybe Bill) would survive these challenges.

brewens

(13,587 posts)
11. I don't know if we could have gotten people fired up over repiglickin' obstruction
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:44 AM
Aug 2018

to get control of Congress for Hillary. Turtlehead would have made the same play he did against Obama. At least none of Trumps destructive crap would be going on.

This way we have what I hope is a blue tsunami coming. Maybe with enough momentum to get the Senate too or along with the White House in 2020. I don't know if we're gonna look back and think it was worth it. So much damage to fix. I just hope we can bury the white wingers deep enough that the people let us try.

Marthe48

(16,959 posts)
12. So many insightful comments, thanks!
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:36 PM
Aug 2018

I had company since last Wed. and just now got to catch up on line.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
14. It took decades to put some of these policies & programs in place.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:22 PM
Aug 2018

He's not even half way through his term. If the dems don't gain control of at least one chamber in November, the damage done by 2020...

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