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UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 11:15 PM Aug 2018

T.S. Ellis/judge is creepy, has been lauded as "respected" here

It was heartening to hear about GATES' testimony today, yet...



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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/overruled-overruled-muellers-team-stumbles-even-as-their-star-witness-shines/
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‘Overruled, Overruled’; Mueller’s Team Stumbles Even as Their Star Witness Shines


.... Judge T.S. Ellis III appeared incredulous at the government’s initial interjection and quickly overruled the objection–turning Downing’s leading question-styled stunt into a much-needed round for the defense–even allowing Downing to restate and rephrase his original inquiry. ....

The government again raised an objection–that this second question was little more than baseless speculation–and the government was again shot down by Judge Ellis. ....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Ellis_III

...(born May 15, 1940) (78 in ageist terms) .... appointed by Ronald Reagan. ....

... (born in) Bogotá, Colombia, Ellis graduated from Princeton University where he earned a Bachelor of Science in Engineering in 1961. Ellis served in the United States Navy as a Naval aviator from 1961 to 1967.[2] Ellis earned a Juris Doctor magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1969. Harvard awarded Ellis a Knox Fellowship for study in England. He then received a Diploma in Law in 1970 from Magdalen College, Oxford. ... ....

... In a May 4 hearing on the challenge, Ellis repeatedly suggested that the prosecutors were not really interested in prosecuting the charges but had filed them to exert pressure on Manafort to cooperate with the special counsel's investigation into Trump. ....

“It’s important for him that everyone in the courtroom knows he is the smartest person in that courtroom, and just be aware that he usually is,” defense lawyer John Zwerling says he warns lawyers who are new to the District. “So you better be on your A game.”

Ellis regularly interrupts trial testimony with his own questions and demands that certain lines of inquiry be cut short, clearing up ambiguity that defense attorneys hoped to create. More than one lawyer has tried to block him from doing so with pretrial motions or mid-case demands for a mistrial. Several have appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, arguing that Ellis’s interventions made a fair trial impossible. ....

He talks to Spanish-speaking defendants in their language, recalling his own childhood in Colombia. ....



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T.S. Ellis/judge is creepy, has been lauded as "respected" here (Original Post) UTUSN Aug 2018 OP
More here: The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #1
I read what transpired today. sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #4
Seems like he generally rules against defendants, but he gives everybody a hard time. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #5
That's all we can do. sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #6
'By the by', how you be? 🤗💙 sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #7
I be fine, you? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #8
I got 'older'. Perhaps not wiser though. 😊 sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #10
Showboat. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #2
K&R lunasun Aug 2018 #3
He is an attention-seeking control freak dalton99a Aug 2018 #9
The media, liberals and conservatives read too much into Ellis John Gruff Aug 2018 #11
I submit that reacting to a martinet is not the same as "read(ing) too much" - UTUSN Aug 2018 #12
The objections were correctly overruled. former9thward Aug 2018 #13
I'm not about legalisms.I'm sweating outcomes and a judge screaming at one side in front of the jury UTUSN Aug 2018 #14
The judge criticism of the prosecution occurs outside the jury presence. former9thward Aug 2018 #15
You always provide good info, thanks!!! Nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #16
There have been incidents in front of the jury, plus his making arguments *for* the defense UTUSN Aug 2018 #17

sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)
4. I read what transpired today.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:00 AM
Aug 2018

Hoo boy. His temperament. No wonder some counsel were rollin' their eyes the other day.

If he does this for ulterior motive? I dunno. It troubles me.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
5. Seems like he generally rules against defendants, but he gives everybody a hard time.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:02 AM
Aug 2018

Let's wait to see how he treats defense counsel.

sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)
6. That's all we can do.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 01:09 AM
Aug 2018

Hopefully there's a method to his way of judicial behavior. 'Judging the judge.' Oops. 😤
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sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)
10. I got 'older'. Perhaps not wiser though. 😊
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 02:46 PM
Aug 2018

I am turning into my parents/momma. Some of which ain't a bad thing. We have no parents left to 'have our backs'. Even though they were up in years, you didn't feel 'alone'. I feel like a motherless child at times.

I know they could not abide what damage has been and continues to be wrought upon our nation and people who are not deserving of this.

All the best.
Be well.
💙🇺🇸🌊

 

John Gruff

(58 posts)
11. The media, liberals and conservatives read too much into Ellis
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 03:21 PM
Aug 2018

Remember when Ellis scolded the Mueller team really bad only to decide that he would not dismiss the case anyway?

We should just stop paying so much attention to the theatrics and every little happening in the court room. Manafort is going down with this judge or not.

Judges sometimes piss off the party they will ultimately side with.

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
12. I submit that reacting to a martinet is not the same as "read(ing) too much" -
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:06 PM
Aug 2018

I will not stop sweating this or any of the SHITLER related cases until each one is over.

Extrapolating to the general level, I personally detest blowhards, bombastic types, high-handed bozos, and whatever wielders of unfettered power - of all stripes, of the Right or the Left wherever they are found. Don't get me started on "Judge" Judy.








former9thward

(32,006 posts)
13. The objections were correctly overruled.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:42 PM
Aug 2018

Leading questions are allowed on cross examination and the prosecution is attempting to stop the defense from questioning prosecution testimony. No judge is going to allow that nonsense.

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
14. I'm not about legalisms.I'm sweating outcomes and a judge screaming at one side in front of the jury
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:57 PM
Aug 2018

doesn't rub me the right way. The jury aren't lawyers any more than I am.




UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
17. There have been incidents in front of the jury, plus his making arguments *for* the defense
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:42 PM
Aug 2018

In the middle of cross. Right now on Brian Williams talk about the judge "participating" and influencing by being such an authority figure. I'll say what I've said, that is all.




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