Again, I say, Manafort is truly FUCKED

[berni_mccoy]

From CNN's live blog of the case:

The jury saw several emails between Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, where Manafort asks for help converting PDF and Microsoft Word files related to his 2016 profit and loss document.

"How do I convert into non pdf word doc?" Manafort emailed Gates in October 2016, forwarding along his 2016 P&L statement in PDF format.

Gates replied that he would do it and sent back the Word version: "Here you go." Gates testified that he did not change any numbers on the Word document, but noted that some formatting would get messed up in the conversion.

Manafort then made edits to the Word document and sent it back to Gates, saying he had "attached a revised P&L." The new document showed a net profit of over $3 million.

Manafort requested that Gates then convert the new Word document back to PDF — the format of the original file.

Manafort's case just went to shit. Emails and document revisions don't lie. Gate's testimony is backed up by hard data. Manafort is going to prison for a very long time (unless he cuts a deal with Mueller to take down Trump).

[malaise]

1. Yep

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210973260

[fleur-de-lisa]

2. I beleieve the correct term is ManaFUCKED.

[Pluvious]

41. Let's just pray to Zeus the jury has no Trumpist Trators... nt.

[Ellipsis]

3. ...Proper fucked.

Your post reminds me of this scene from "Snatch".

Metadata is an unrelenting adversary. He's doomed.

K&R

[apnu]

4. Manafort will be convicted

I bet he's holding out for a Presidential pardon. He'll probably get one too. What the nation does when the POTUS starts overturning court decisions of his buddies is another matter.

[Mr. Ected]

7. If Manafort gets his pardon, he cannot plead the 5th in future testimony

Which testimony may be elicited to nail Mr. Trump to the wall. The bigly Mexican wall. LOL!

[Dopers_Greed]

10. That's why this trial doesn't include anything involving Russia. Those trials will be later.

Mueller is playing 10 dimensional chess against these morons.

[Blue_true]

35. Yep. If they convict him of money laundering and Trump pardons him.

Trump would have painted himself in a corner.

[Jarqui]

5. He cannot blame the failure to declare foreign bank accounts

year after year on his personal tax returns on Gates.

And now he can't blame the bank fraud and conspiracy to commit bank fraud exclusively on Gates alone from those emails.

Nor can he blame Gates for the laundering of money from fake loans from his Cypress companies.

The thing is that I suspect Manafort knew this all along. He's counting on a Trump pardon because he could nail Trump badly if he flips because he's a middle man with Russia.

What I do not know is if they can nail Manafort for bank fraud or money laundering or state income tax evasion at a state level that Trump cannot pardon.

[Bayard]

6. I'm impressed!

I've never figured out how to convert PDF's to Word docs.

[PJMcK]

8. It's easy

Here ya go:

https://acrobat.adobe.com/us/en/acrobat/how-to/pdf-to-word-doc-converter.html

[erronis]

11. Hey - stop aiding and abetting all these bastards! You might get a subpoena...

[billh58]

12. Recent versions of Acrobat

have the capability to "Save As" a Word doc.

[PoliticAverse]

9. Yeah I think so. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

13. How many years is he exposed to serving? I've heard 10 yrs, & I've heard 100 yrs. nt

[orangecrush]

14. Manafort is FUBAR

[janx]

15. And this is just his first trial.

September is going to be even worse.

Question for everybody: Do you think this trial, which is focused on fraud, money laundering, etc. is going to lay some groundwork for the next one? The Trump campaign wasn't even supposed to come up in this trial, but inevitably it did.

[volstork]

19. "Do you think this trial, is going to lay some groundwork for the next one?"

Absolutely. Those prosecutors know exactly what they are doing.

[BigmanPigman]

22. And the next judge may be less

of a show boat and allow the prosecution more room to do their work.

[dchill]

16. Truly fucked - by MANY fuckers.

Get used to that jumper, Paul!

[NoMoreRepugs]

17. Can the Orange Douche pardon him for tax evasion??

[berni_mccoy]

30. Yes.

[volstork]

18. "Manafort is going to prison for a very long time"

Unless putin has him killed, which is a very real possibility. I think manafort is well aware of that possibility, or worse, that putin will kill manafort's family and leave him alive.

[Blue_true]

37. I think his daughters hate him. Would not want them hurt. nt

[Mr.Bill]

20. What I worry about

is all it will take is one Trumpsucker on the jury and presto, hung jury. I worry about this with all trials connected to Mueller's investigation. Remember, the Trumpsuckers think this is a deep state coup and nothing else.

[berni_mccoy]

32. A mistrial is a possibility, but not likely.

[rickford66]

21. Why convert it to Word ?

I used to convert PDF to editable PDF for test guides generated from aircraft data.

[OneGrassRoot]

23. I kinda doubt he's tech savvy...

probably didn't have or didn't want to get a program that allowed one to edit a PDF.

[janx]

29. Didn't know any better.

I still have trouble getting a PDF into editing format (have to do it once a year and still forget how). I resort to downloading it, editing it in word, and then uploading it again, where it is rendered in a PDF form automatically.

It just depends on the software.

[rickford66]

31. I converted a PDF with a watermark into an editable PDF.

It was a little scrambled, but manageable.

[MontanaMama]

24. I am cautiously optimistic

that Manafort will be in prison the rest of his days. So, I don’t even want to say this but all the hooplah and confidence that he’s going down reminds me of all the similar confidence that HRC would win the election. All the polls, pundits and conventional wisodom said she would win. I know, I know...I was there and some of us didn’t think it would be so easy and turns out it wasn’t and the worst happened. That said...is anyone slightly uncomfortable with this consensus that Manafort’s goose is really cooked? Could the fix be in for him too? I’m talking crazy talk I know...but Manafort seems steadfast that he won’t flip on Dotard and won’t cooperate with the prosecution...does he know something we don’t? Sorry...this is the shit that keeps me up nights.

[LiberalFighter]

25. I seem to recall months ago that Manafort had done this.

But don't think it was covered much.

[Leghorn21]

27. As I recall, Fighter - and I am old and teetering - but as I recall the MAIN REASON these

dirty dogs ever got busted in the FIRST PLACE was because Manafort sent this thingie to Gates and he fixed it and sent it back and D’OH - BUSTED

How glorious for us!!

I don’t do any of that fancy computer stuff, and I thank the holy patron saints of “low tech” that MANAFORT DOESN’T EITHER, hahahhaaaaahahahahahaaa!

Lordy but I am so happy to see this day!!!

whassupppp, CALK??!?

[LiberalFighter]

28. How unfortunate that Manafort couldn't do it without help. :)

I'm sure the same holds for Trump too.

[janx]

33. Manafort didn't know how to use the software.

It's just a matter of keeping up with/using new software on a regular basis. If you have to do it for your job, then it becomes second nature.

Frankly, it annoys me that once a year I have to use Adobe software to create an editable file from a PDF. I'm sure it will get easier as software tech moves forward.

For instance, in the grading software I use for my job, I upload Word docs that then become converted into PDFs. If I want to edit those assignments, I have to download the damn things (they become Word docs again when I do so) and upload them again.

In other instances--activity reports being one example--I have to use Adobe software to be able to edit them. I understand the value of uneditable PDFs, and they look pretty, but they're a pain to work with sometimes. Manafort got used to paying people to do things he would rather not learn about himself.

But I'm also surprised that Gates would think that the altered documents would not be obvious. True, he wasn't using "white out" as in older days, but the alterations would still be obvious, and apparently they were glaringly obvious--different fonts, sizes, spacing, etc.

[PatSeg]

26. These fools

make The Three Stooges look like members of MENSA. How on earth have so many of them gotten away with so much crap for so long? You would think it would take some measure of competence now and then.

[janx]

36. I have a theory, and it could be completely off the mark,

but the mentality reminds me of people who were living on borrowed money through the 90s and just before the crash of 2008. It would not surprise me that these guys were doing so and just transferred that ability outside the U.S. when the U.S. lending institutions finally cracked down.

They got so used to phony loans that they could not repay that they had to find institutions in foreign countries.

I dunno, but the mentality and lack of ethics seem to be the same. Add in the Three Stooges criminal/political aspect, and we have this result.

[PatSeg]

38. Okay, that makes a lot of sense

Over the past few decades, there has been so much deregulation in the financial world, it apparently became quite easy to break the rules and not get caught. I can imagine that because it was so easy, they just became more and more arrogant and reckless.

Though I'm seeing extreme criminal activity, I am not seeing any criminal brilliance at play. Apparently criminal masterminds only exist in movies and books. In real life, they rely on dumb luck and a dysfunctional criminal justice system.

[janx]

39. ...or habit, or luck. n/t

[PatSeg]

40. Yep, because it sure doesn't look

like they tried very hard to keep their activities under wraps. As with Trump, everything is always so in-your-face all the time.

[Blue_true]

34. If I was on the jury.

I would sentence him to 10 years for being a clueless criminal. Hell, he could stopped any 12 year old kid on his block, paid the kid $20 and got shown how to do the conversions.

[Calista241]

42. I feel like everyone here is reading different transcripts than i am.

the defense has done a very good job discrediting Gates as a witness (and they have been helped by the judge), and i don’t find what documents they have presented so far very compelling.

I want Manafort in jail and Trump impeached, but objectively, i don’t think the trial is going particularly well.