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20,000 American Nazi's in Madison square garden....1939 (Original Post) pbmus Aug 2018 OP
I would not be surprised if my grandfather (who I never met) was in that crowd. George II Aug 2018 #1
Relevant today True Dough Aug 2018 #2
K&R. Much good material in all the Links, thanks. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #3
British Nazis, Fascists: Then, and Now? appalachiablue Aug 2018 #4
I have a book about the 30's and one of the pictures is of nazis in the city hall of San Francisco kimbutgar Aug 2018 #5
And Nazis were also in the Los Angeles area in the 1930s-40s, incredible. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #7
Can you scan it? Nictuku Aug 2018 #10
I will try kimbutgar Aug 2018 #11
trump's father was probably there. brush Aug 2018 #6
That's what I think, too. After all he was arrested in 1927 csziggy Aug 2018 #8
America First: dalton99a Aug 2018 #9
Duplicate post sarcasmo Aug 2018 #12

appalachiablue

(41,147 posts)
3. K&R. Much good material in all the Links, thanks.
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:34 PM
Aug 2018

American Nazi Bund leader FRITZ KUHN'S US citizenship was revoked in 1943 after conviction for embezzling Bund funds and in 1945 he was deported to Germany where he was born in 1896. Kuhn's wiki bio bio includes his move to Mexico late 1920s, then the US in 1928; he became a naturalized American citizen in 1934.
Kuhn held fiercely anti-Semitic, anti Bolshevik and pro German views. He was detested by Jews in the US and also many American Germans for his extremist views. In 1951, Kuhn died in Munich in relative obscurity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Julius_Kuhn

Wiki: February 20, 1939, Kuhn held the largest and most publicized rally in the Bund's history at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Some 20,000 people attended and heard Kuhn mock President Roosevelt as "Frank D. Rosenfeld," calling his New Deal the "Jew Deal" and denouncing what he called Bolshevik-Jewish American leadership.

Kuhn also stated: "The Bund is fighting shoulder to shoulder with patriotic Americans to protect America from a race that is not the American race, that is not even a white race...The Jews are enemies of the United States."[citation needed] Most shocking was the outbreak of violence between Bund storm troopers and thousands of angry protesters in the streets. During Kuhn's speech, a Jewish protester, Isadore Greenbaum, rushed the stage and had to be rescued by police after he was beaten & stripped by storm troopers. More.



Fritz Kuhn 1938.



1949, Fritz Kuhn's appeal to regain US citizenship.

appalachiablue

(41,147 posts)
4. British Nazis, Fascists: Then, and Now?
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:47 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:42 PM - Edit history (1)



- 1936, London, Blackshirts March. Sir Oswald Moseley's Nazis.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-british-nazis-sir-oswald-mosley-s-views-were-and-are-not-uncommon-9162679.html



- Right march: Sir Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists recruited from the working classes.

March 1, 2014, "The British Nazis: Sir Oswald Mosley’s views were - and are not - uncommon. The revelation last week that MI5 had infiltrated a network of homegrown Nazis during the war is just the latest chapter in a long, dishonourable story," The Independent. *Excerpts:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-british-nazis-sir-oswald-mosley-s-views-were-and-are-not-uncommon-9162679.html

On the surface, nothing could be more outlandish than last week’s disclosure, contained in a series of files released by the National Archive, that MI5 had assembled and was secretly controlling a vast network of Nazi sympathisers throughout the Second World War. As for the supporting detail – the membership badges to be worn in the event of evacuation so the wearers could be quickly rounded up, the replica Iron Crosses used to reward adherents for their loyalty – this might seem to have been robbed wholesale from CJ Sansom’s alternative history novel Dominion. Until, that is, you pause to examine the substantial flock of pro-Nazis long known to have been at work in public life during the period 1939-45 and the exploits that are already in the public domain.

Consider, for example, the activities of Cpt Archibald Maule Ramsay, grand vizier of the notorious “Right Club”, Great War veteran, Conservative MP for Peebles and South Midlothian, interned in May 1940 as a threat to national security, but allowed, by dint of his office, to keep on submitting parliamentary questions about the number of Jewish personnel in the armed forces killed serving at the front. Or, from the council chambers of mid-century local government, Philip Larkin’s father Sydney, treasurer of the city of Coventry who corresponded with Hjalmar Schacht, Hitler’s minister of economics from 1934 to 1937, attended several Nuremberg rallies, kept a statuette of the Fuhrer on his desk and, when Coventry was bombed by the Luftwaffe, congratulated himself on having had the foresight to lay in a thousand cardboard coffins.

However respectably concealed, or shy of drawing attention to itself, what might be called the right-wing fanatic strain in British politics never really goes away. The history of the past century or so is, consequently, full of tense little moments in which it raises its head above the parapet. One came in the post-Suez era of the late 1950s when the League of Empire Loyalists began their campaign against Harold Macmillan’s “winds of change” speech and the gradual transfer of imperial power in Africa and the Far East. Another can be detected in the late 1960s and mid-1970s plots against the Labour government of Harold Wilson. And for current manifestations, one need look no further than the wilder fringes of some of the 21st-century English nationalist movements.

Naturally, home-grown fascism - to give it its proper name - transcends social class. There is the working-class hooligan strain exploited by Sir Oswald Mosley and picked up again by John Tyndall’s National Front in the 1970s, which made a point of recruiting on the football terraces. But the distinguishing mark of extreme right-wingery in this country has nearly always been its comparatively genteel tinge.
But wherever British fascism sought its authentication - from King Arthur and the vision of Nuremberg to the extremer margins of inter-war Catholicism- it was nearly always garnished by good old- fashioned anti-Semitism.
Had British fascism ever amounted to anything, someone once speculated, it would have been the fascism not of lofted flags and marching men, but of the privet hedge and the pointed remark in the Mayfair drawing room. It would be absurdly optimistic to assume the key to this grim little compartment of our national life will never twitch in its lock again.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
5. I have a book about the 30's and one of the pictures is of nazis in the city hall of San Francisco
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:54 PM
Aug 2018

Found it at a swap meet and brought it for that picture. Even here is San Francisco we had nazis then.

appalachiablue

(41,147 posts)
7. And Nazis were also in the Los Angeles area in the 1930s-40s, incredible.
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:46 PM
Aug 2018

The American Nazi Bund in the 1930s & 1940s had children camps on Long Island, NY, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and more.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
11. I will try
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 11:37 AM
Aug 2018

It is so much work to get the right size picture on du that I rarely post them. They always come out as small pics.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
8. That's what I think, too. After all he was arrested in 1927
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:49 PM
Aug 2018

At a KKK rally in Queens:

1927 Arrest at KKK march
On Memorial Day in 1927, the Ku Klux Klan marched in Queens to protest that "Native-born Protestant Americans" were being "assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City".[17] Fred Trump was one of seven men who were arrested that day "on a charge of refusing to disperse from a parade when ordered to do so."[17] In 2015, the Boing Boing website reported, "Despite sharing lawyers with the other men, it's conceivable that he may have been an innocent bystander, falsely named, or otherwise the victim of mistaken identity during or following a chaotic event,"[18] based on a New York Times article from June 1, 1927. In 2016, Vice magazine later reported on their investigation of earlier newspaper clippings and found that Trump was "released without charges", leading them to conclude that he could have been a bystander; they also speculated that Trump may have been a member of the KKK, which had gone through a revival in urban areas after 1915.[19] All seven men arrested however were declared to be wearing Klan attire in one of the five sources cited in the Vice article. Vice notes that the fifth article states that: "While the Long Island Daily Press doesn't mention Fred Trump specifically, .... Significantly, the article refers to all of the arrestees as 'berobed marchers.' If Fred Trump, or another one of the attendees, wasn't dressed in a robe at the time, that may have been a reporting error worth correcting." When asked about the issue in September 2015 by The New York Times, Donald Trump, then a candidate for presidency of the United States, denied that his father had been arrested, or that he had been in the KKK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump#1927_Arrest_at_KKK_march

dalton99a

(81,526 posts)
9. America First:
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:54 PM
Aug 2018

Charles Lindbergh addressing a rally of the America First Committee in Fort Wayne, Indiana, in 1941. Over 4,000 people were in attendance.
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