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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:29 PM Aug 2018

Sanders Institute: total 2017 donations:$459K. Total spent on salaries for Jane's son and 2 other

staffers: about $250K.

So staffer salaries (not including any other overhead) for this Think Tank cost more than half of donations. By IRS regulation, the purpose of the Institute must be non-partisan. Are the "Fellows" paid? What exactly does the Sanders Institute do?

If Bernie Sanders plans to run in 2020, maybe he should reconsider this.

https://vtdigger.org/2018/07/29/sanders-institute-little-show-first-year-500k/

Less attention has been paid to The Sanders Institute, a 501(c)(3) non-profit without disclosure requirements whose mission must be chiefly non-partisan. A VTDigger analysis of organization’s maiden year found little original work from the think tank, which took in nearly a half-million dollars in contributions and grants last year.

SNIP

Jane Sanders wears many hats at the institute: founder, fellow, fundraiser and a non-voting member of the board of directors. The institute is being run by her son, David Driscoll, a political neophyte who previously worked at Burton Snowboards. His estimated salary for the job is $100,000.

SNIP

In a June 2017 interview with USA Today, Jane Sanders said the institute would be producing and distributing “original content,” yet the organization’s website is largely filled with recycled work. In its first year, the group has released just four press releases, three of which were released in its first month of existence.

Under the organization’s “Research and Reports” section of its website, there are 18 posts, 16 of which are reposted from other sources, including from federal agencies and institute fellows. The remaining two posts are authored by Sanders Institute staffers. One is a breakdown of how citizens can contact their elected representatives; the text of the other — entitled A Freedom Budget For All Americans — is attributed to Wikipedia.

SNIP

Neither Jane nor any of the founding fellows are paid. There are just three paid staffers: Driscoll (whose estimated salary is $100,000), Ellyn Heald, who directs the fellows program, and Colleen Lineweaver, the director of research. (Tax documents estimate Heald and Lineweaver’s annual salaries at around $75,000 each.)

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=813250230


Foundation Status Organization which receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental unit or the general public 170(b)(1)(A)(vi)

Deductibility Contributions are deductible

Affiliation Independent - the organization is an independent organization or an independent auxiliary (i.e., not affiliated with a National, Regional, or Geographic grouping of organizations).

Group Name [Not Applicable]

Ruling Date December, 2017

Asset Amount $159,308

Income Amount $459,206

Form 990 Revenue Amount $459,206

Latest Form 990 Return December, 2017


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Sanders Institute: total 2017 donations:$459K. Total spent on salaries for Jane's son and 2 other (Original Post) pnwmom Aug 2018 OP
Frankly Reminds Me Of When Jane Paid Her Daughter Me. Aug 2018 #1
Yes, the article makes that connection, too. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #2
I actually got to discuss that very subject with Bill Clinton DFW Aug 2018 #28
The Clintons Always Had A Good Charity Watch Rating As Far As I Can Tell Me. Aug 2018 #41
Well..... DFW Aug 2018 #94
You Would Have A Point Me. Aug 2018 #99
True DFW Aug 2018 #102
... Me. Aug 2018 #104
So the Clinton Foundation early on went from 25% to 4%. The Sanders Institute.... George II Aug 2018 #69
Only if you assume that is a goal of theirs DFW Aug 2018 #93
Also, to clarify: DFW Aug 2018 #103
I realized that this morning and was going to correct myself. They started out at a very low.... George II Aug 2018 #105
Maybe it's different when it's "fellows" at an "institute". lapucelle Aug 2018 #58
She made millions doing ad buys for Sanders' campaign. joshcryer Aug 2018 #66
We Really Need To See Tax Returns From That Family Me. Aug 2018 #74
A couple of blue states will have ballot access laws in place for 2020 Gothmog Aug 2018 #88
Good Me. Aug 2018 #98
If it works the way the Vermont Woodworking School worked, the Sanders Institute... George II Aug 2018 #68
For a carpentry operation and Burlington closed. grantcart Aug 2018 #70
Are they paid benefits too? That's another 30-40%. spooky3 Aug 2018 #3
Continuing a long trend. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #4
I don't think he will run in 2020. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #5
Under the ballot access laws for a couple of blue states, he will have to release tax returns Gothmog Aug 2018 #89
That's -- interesting. Thanks, pnwmom. Hekate Aug 2018 #6
You're welcome, hekate. pnwmom Aug 2018 #8
KNR Lucinda Aug 2018 #7
ooh, a maybe there's an ethical issue here, maybe there isn't post. That is precious little JCanete Aug 2018 #9
Unskew those polls!!...nt SidDithers Aug 2018 #10
For the zillionth time, this is about the glaring double standards wherein he holds R B Garr Aug 2018 #11
I would agree with you if I thought this rose to that level. But 100,000 for a year is a standard JCanete Aug 2018 #12
In Vermont for someone with zero experience in a job like this? No, it isn't "standard." pnwmom Aug 2018 #14
Being "cozy with very big money institutions" is the exact kind of "precious little information" R B Garr Aug 2018 #16
What rings the alarm bells DFW Aug 2018 #34
Well you tell me, typically when peopel are hired to run such institutions, are they JCanete Aug 2018 #35
With so little money to handle, it's hard to understand why they need 3 people handling it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #76
Well is that what they are all getting paid to do? Handle the money? Or to work on projects? JCanete Aug 2018 #78
As far as I can tell, their only "project" is the website and the content on it. pnwmom Aug 2018 #82
No that is not standard and may be a violation of the tax code Gothmog Aug 2018 #91
I know that. Or I assumed that. This is not seemingly what is happening is it? They are taking a JCanete Aug 2018 #92
I can think of many qualified people who would work for far less R B Garr Aug 2018 #100
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #18
Where's the transparency he's always calling for? n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #13
Quite! Me. Aug 2018 #15
Come on. Half the money raised goes to 3 salaries. That's hardly weak sauce. brush Aug 2018 #77
The Sanders Institute isn't a charity. It is a think tank. nt JCanete Aug 2018 #79
It's a charity for Jane's son and the other two employees. brush Aug 2018 #80
You don't know what the output is. VTDigger doesn't. They have no idea how many manhours JCanete Aug 2018 #81
Only 3 original pieces on web site since inception. Since then just aggregate stuff. brush Aug 2018 #83
You didn't bother to answer any of the questions I raised. I undertand that addressing them JCanete Aug 2018 #84
I have no responsibility to answer any questions from you when the OP... brush Aug 2018 #86
This is not normal for a non-profit that is actually helping people Gothmog Aug 2018 #90
Oooooooh good. Another Bernie bashing thread to feed the insatiable thirst Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #17
Why is it Bernie-bashing to discuss the Sanders Institute and how it spends its money? pnwmom Aug 2018 #21
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Aug 2018 #39
The GOP attacks on Bernie are weak compared to the stuff JonLP24 Aug 2018 #43
That's because he hasn't been the nominee. If he had been the nominee instead of Hillary, pnwmom Aug 2018 #45
I meant overall on this board JonLP24 Aug 2018 #46
I think he is FAR less than Bernie to be the nominee, but of course pnwmom Aug 2018 #47
Same tactics the Russian trolls used during the presidential election Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #32
I agree Rick. That's why it has to stop. Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #33
Absolutely Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #37
Oh please. We are not talking about Russian trolls. Just angry shut-ins. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #54
Your projections are rather amusing. R B Garr Aug 2018 #59
... leftstreet Aug 2018 #65
Since you just joined DU in May 2018 this must be all new to you. yardwork Aug 2018 #49
You and I are on the same wavelength. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #51
Anybody new must be a troll??? Grow up Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #56
Been on DU for about 4 years. Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #52
+++++ R B Garr Aug 2018 #57
Nobody is "bashing" Bernie. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #50
We have a fascist in the White House and a huge Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #19
I think it would be a wise idea, if Bernie is going to run, for him to shut down this "Think Tank" pnwmom Aug 2018 #20
2018. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #31
If I was trying to FIGHT him, I'd be happy to let him string along with pnwmom Aug 2018 #42
"Aggravating the divisions" would be to have a whole different set of standards for Democrats R B Garr Aug 2018 #29
Did you know this? DURHAM D Aug 2018 #22
I never heard that, and I don't know who that Tweeter is, but I just found this about Credico, pnwmom Aug 2018 #23
Well of course.The Russians plan was to weaken Hillary in the primaries and the general. Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #25
I have no idea why but your post was alerted on. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #97
I've heard Credico interviewed twice. About as believable as Paige, Stone et al redstateblues Aug 2018 #27
Damn. I am so sick of grifters. WhiteTara Aug 2018 #24
Grifters was the word that came up as I read this post. redstateblues Aug 2018 #26
Grifters gotta grift. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #30
I'm shocked, shocked! There is gambling in this establishment! obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #36
From my twitter feed Gothmog Aug 2018 #38
Wow! From snowboard store clerk to a 6-figure salary! This is top-shelf artistry.... R B Garr Aug 2018 #53
It helps to have the right parents Gothmog Aug 2018 #87
Gotta love good ol VTDigger.. they Cha Aug 2018 #40
Snowboards Must Be The New Way To Climb The Corporate Ladder Me. Aug 2018 #44
Dang! I've never lived in snow and didn't realize these types of opportunities R B Garr Aug 2018 #55
You've never lived in snow! Cha Aug 2018 #73
Do SurfBoards Offer The Same Opportunities? Me. Aug 2018 #75
Or be related to the Cha Aug 2018 #72
One of the three paid staffers, Colleen Lineweaver ($75,000)... George II Aug 2018 #48
Interesting... nt DURHAM D Aug 2018 #61
Cronyism to the core. joshcryer Aug 2018 #67
Meh, $495,000? Isn't that what some politicians charge for one speech to a big Wall Street bank? jalan48 Aug 2018 #60
Who is that? George II Aug 2018 #62
Well, former office holders with really great ideas get that much. DURHAM D Aug 2018 #63
Yeah, that's it for sure. jalan48 Aug 2018 #64
It depends on what is done with the money. I applaud politicians who get money from banks pnwmom Aug 2018 #85
You mean like the hundreds of thou funneled to a woodworking shop from a failed college's funds? brush Aug 2018 #95
I'd rather take it from Wall St, than from the poor blue collar suckers who thought they were... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #96
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #101
"The new wave of leadership" what? awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #106
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #109
Not asking you for help. awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #113
Focusing on the current financial set-up is threatening to certain power groups. I expect the jalan48 Aug 2018 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #108
Do you think people will believe this when Jane's son R B Garr Aug 2018 #110
Yeah-Jane's son makes $100,000 therefore income inequality is not real and I now love my jalan48 Aug 2018 #111
He went from a snowboard clerk job to 6-figures. R B Garr Aug 2018 #112
The sky's the limit. Who knows, maybe his next gig will be Chairman of the Board of Walmart. jalan48 Aug 2018 #114
This always cracks me up, Your self-imposed restrictions on other R B Garr Aug 2018 #115
Laughing all the way to the bank I'm sure. jalan48 Aug 2018 #116
LOL, just like Sanders son who went from a snowboard R B Garr Aug 2018 #117
It wouldn't be all that important except.....................his mother gave him the job using.... George II Aug 2018 #119
Yes, the double standards. It looks like Sanders' benefits R B Garr Aug 2018 #121
Thanks mom. George II Aug 2018 #118
Yes, Mom really come through. I can't even imagine having such R B Garr Aug 2018 #120
I have to admit, a few years after graduating from college my parents helped me... George II Aug 2018 #122
I supported Bernie in 2016, but I won't in 2020 budkin Aug 2018 #71

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. Frankly Reminds Me Of When Jane Paid Her Daughter
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:33 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Big cash from the Burlington College Funds.

Can you imagine if the Clinton Foundation was being run like this?

DFW

(54,414 posts)
28. I actually got to discuss that very subject with Bill Clinton
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:44 PM
Aug 2018

He remarked that when he was in office, many charity initiatives that were government-sponsored had expenses that ate up 25% of the total budget. He then said that his post-presidency initiatives managed to get expenses down to 4% of the total budget. To the obvious question of "how come the expenses were so high before?" he immediately answered, "because we were stupid, that's why!"

Me.

(35,454 posts)
41. The Clintons Always Had A Good Charity Watch Rating As Far As I Can Tell
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:30 PM
Aug 2018

and I'm glad they got expenses down. But three salaries which eat up 50% of the budget is due to a pattern and not stupidity in my opinion

DFW

(54,414 posts)
94. Well.....
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:47 AM
Aug 2018

It doesn't seem to be the result of mismanagement or carelessness, if that's what you mean. With so few employees, it hardly seems like an oversight. Maybe they had fixed the salaries in advance and hoped for a bigger budget? I have no insight into their organization, just the numbers that we all see.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
99. You Would Have A Point
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 11:35 AM
Aug 2018

if this wasn't developing into a pattern where her children are concerned

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. So the Clinton Foundation early on went from 25% to 4%. The Sanders Institute....
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:39 PM
Aug 2018

....has a long way to go from 54%.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
93. Only if you assume that is a goal of theirs
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:38 AM
Aug 2018

I have no knowledge of what they consider to be an optimal ratio.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
103. Also, to clarify:
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:34 PM
Aug 2018

It wasn't the expenses of the Clinton Foundation or the CGI that went down from 25% to 4%. Bill Clinton was making the comparison of the expenses incurred by government organizations to the ones he set up after he left office. The post presidency outfits he set up do not deserve credit for bringing down their expenses from 25% to 4% because those outfits never had expenses as high as 25% to begin with. They had already wised up, probably aided by a lack of bureaucratic baggage that Clinton's people had already shed before getting started.

George II

(67,782 posts)
105. I realized that this morning and was going to correct myself. They started out at a very low....
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:51 PM
Aug 2018

....expense rate.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
66. She made millions doing ad buys for Sanders' campaign.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:32 PM
Aug 2018

All the ad buys for his campaign were done through Old Towne Media LLC, to the tune of $80 million dollars. A company founded by Jane Sanders' old friends Shelli Hutton-Hartig and Barbara Abar Bougie. I'm sure that she was a "consultant" on those ad buys and that's why the Sanders' won't release their tax returns.

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
88. A couple of blue states will have ballot access laws in place for 2020
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:16 AM
Aug 2018

Sanders will not be able to get onto the ballot unless he releases these returns

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. If it works the way the Vermont Woodworking School worked, the Sanders Institute...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:38 PM
Aug 2018

...will go belly up soon.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
5. I don't think he will run in 2020.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:44 PM
Aug 2018

He knows he won’t skate by without being vetted again. He can’t even handle showing his tax returns.

He only gets one pass.

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
89. Under the ballot access laws for a couple of blue states, he will have to release tax returns
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:17 AM
Aug 2018

I also doubt that sanders will run in 2020. He will not have a choice about releasing all of his tax returns

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. You're welcome, hekate.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:02 PM
Aug 2018

It's kind of cloudy here, but I don't know if it's just weather-related cloudiness or smoke-related. But we're not near the fire itself. Thanks for asking!

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
9. ooh, a maybe there's an ethical issue here, maybe there isn't post. That is precious little
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:23 PM
Aug 2018

information to go on to determine whether or not this institute is doing as advertised, and those salaries don't seem outside the realm of normalcy for these sorts of things, do they?

I'm not sure what work they are doing but VTDigger's perusal of their website doesn't seem comprehensive, nor do I trust that source to be unbiased. If they dig up something more substantial more power to them. All of our politicians should be scrutinized and challenged. But this is more weak sauce.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
11. For the zillionth time, this is about the glaring double standards wherein he holds
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:30 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats to standards that he does not abide by himself. "precious little information" didn't prevent him from blaming certain Democrats and Democrats in general of all kinds of improprieties. When half your donations go to family salaries, then that looks improper. Sanders' is very concerned with how Democrats may look improper, all without proof and with "precious little information" to go on.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
12. I would agree with you if I thought this rose to that level. But 100,000 for a year is a standard
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:35 PM
Aug 2018

salary for this sort of thing. If you argue that its nepotism, ....well okayyyy, but it doesn't appear to be a striking level of embezzlement or anything. I mean, I can't speak to what actually is going on there, and its not like I literally know these people personally, but this is not at all the same thing as being cozy with very big money institutions...it is not the same thing at all as getting huge speaking fees from institutions politicians are supposed to regulate. That casts an entirely different cloud whether there was any real impropriety or not.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. In Vermont for someone with zero experience in a job like this? No, it isn't "standard."
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:38 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:18 PM - Edit history (3)

The average salaries for Program Managers in VT non-profits range from about $80-82K. And jobs like that usually require experience.

But Driscoll's non-profit was founded by his mom, so I guess she waived any experience requirement.

https://www1.salary.com/VT/Program-Manager-Non-Profit-salary.html

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
16. Being "cozy with very big money institutions" is the exact kind of "precious little information"
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:53 PM
Aug 2018

you are disgruntled about being brought up about Sanders. And I see you revert to the something/something corporations as the standard answer to anything and everything. There is no proof ever provided of policy influenced by speeches, but Tad Devine? That is certainly interesting.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
34. What rings the alarm bells
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:16 PM
Aug 2018

It is not whether the salaries are "standard" or not, but rather that out of a $459,000 budget, that over 50% of the money went for salaries. The next logical question is: how many salaries were paid out of the $250,000, and when the answer is, "three," THEN one might be forgiven for asking who received the payouts.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
35. Well you tell me, typically when peopel are hired to run such institutions, are they
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:20 PM
Aug 2018

assigned a percentage of the total donations to act as their salary, or are their salaries specified? I would expect the typical case to be the latter, but this isn't my area of expertise. So if this institution took in more money, I wouldn't expect those salaries to be any higher, but if it took in less, wouldn't there still be an expectation to pay those hired to run it at the rate they were hired?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
76. With so little money to handle, it's hard to understand why they need 3 people handling it. n/t
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:02 PM
Aug 2018
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
78. Well is that what they are all getting paid to do? Handle the money? Or to work on projects?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:04 AM
Aug 2018

The thing that's dumb about this article, among many things, is that it doesn't bother to show a comparison of output from fledgling organizations on average, or a range of outputs depending on long-term versus short-term goals...which admittedly would be hard...but

they are making assertions that they are pulling presumably out of thin air, about what exactly should be produced by this time, and they aren't even getting into how long the things the team did produce might have taken in research and composition. That seems entirely absent in their piece. They didn't say "and it's one page with bullet points..." They just said the organization has only done a couple of things that its made public. and then it says this, without at all bothering to account for man hours...


"The most significant original report The Sanders Institute has been involved with advocated for Medicare For All, and was completed in conjunction with the National Nurses United (NNU), a labor union that threw its support behind Sanders’ presidential bid. Sanders Institute fellow Michael Lighty, as well as Jane Sanders and Driscoll, helped draft the report, which was funded by NNU"


Also, don't you find anything astonishingly disingenuous about calling a fledgling organization like Our Revolution's results mixed, when by the articles own admission Our Revolution has around a 50 percent success rate? Is that mixed success really? Heh...yeah, technically. But nobody would say that shit if a new Baseball team were created and it went 500 in its first couple seasons. Especially if it were playing without cleats and mitts. The article also seems to simply want to talk shit. VTDIGGER is never focused. it just throws everything at the wall that is disparaging of Sanders. Why is the Our Revolution stuff even in this piece?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
82. As far as I can tell, their only "project" is the website and the content on it.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:52 AM
Aug 2018

And most of the content is articles posted by their Fellows, for free, and other articles re-posted from other sites.

I don't think the donors of $459K got their money's worth, unless their chief aim was to pay good salaries to the three staffers.

Compare the web page of David Driscoll, Jane's son, to that of Ellyn Heald, Program Director, and Colleen Jackson, the research director.

https://www.sandersinstitute.com/about/staff/driscoll

https://www.sandersinstitute.com/about/staff/heald

https://www.sandersinstitute.com/about/jackson

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
91. No that is not standard and may be a violation of the tax code
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:23 AM
Aug 2018

There are no contingent fee type non-profits in the real world where the employees make a percentage of the money raised. Such an arrangement does not pass the smell test and is not done in the real world. I will check with my tax partner but I am sure that this type of arrangement is illegal. It is clearly unethical

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
92. I know that. Or I assumed that. This is not seemingly what is happening is it? They are taking a
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:36 AM
Aug 2018

salary as defined. Which means that it has no bearing on how much money the institute takes in. So people pointing out that it is half of what the institution has as of yet taken in...I'm not sure what their point is. and this isn't a charity. the money taken in seems like it is designed to pay for the research and the studies produced, which means it isn't a surprise that it would go to staffing. The point is, at this point this is a non-story unless you want to hit the nepotism angle hard. Sadly that's not an area that is particularly favorable to a lot of our politicians.

On the other hand, if I missed some evidence that suggests these employees are actually taking a percentage of the funding coming in, by all means produce that.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
100. I can think of many qualified people who would work for far less
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 11:42 AM
Aug 2018

than $100,000 per year. To not be accountable to anyone while earning 6-figures is especially grand.

You keep trying to dismiss the article, but you actually confirm the information provided, which is that there is little to show for their efforts except salaries to family members. The article states that the VTDigger tried to get copies of their produced work, like the Nurses Association report, but they were refused. You keep leaving the relevant parts out.

brush

(53,794 posts)
77. Come on. Half the money raised goes to 3 salaries. That's hardly weak sauce.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:33 PM
Aug 2018

Much, much higher than other charities.

brush

(53,794 posts)
80. It's a charity for Jane's son and the other two employees.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:37 AM
Aug 2018

But seriously, the ratio of salaries v money raise is much too out of wack to similar organizations.

And there's hardly any output. What are they doing to earn those generous salaries?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
81. You don't know what the output is. VTDigger doesn't. They have no idea how many manhours
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:48 AM
Aug 2018

the work they did with the Nurse's association took, nor do they seem to care. They didn't do much research at all. They don't know whether some of the institution's goals are long-term projects that will come out later, nor do they seem to care. They were told that a piece for the UN had been completed but all they care about is that they so far can't see it. I get that they asked some questions which they have yet to get answers for, but the organization may have good reasons to be hesitant about presenting anything that is not fully cooked.

I'm not saying I have any idea. But clearly VTDigger doesn't have any idea, and that makes this a silly article.

brush

(53,794 posts)
83. Only 3 original pieces on web site since inception. Since then just aggregate stuff.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:54 AM
Aug 2018

Does it only exist to provide a job for Jane's son and two others?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
84. You didn't bother to answer any of the questions I raised. I undertand that addressing them
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 01:03 AM
Aug 2018

might take effort and might yield inconvenient returns, but there are plenty of people who will be entertained by your surface-level analysis, if you prefer.

brush

(53,794 posts)
86. I have no responsibility to answer any questions from you when the OP...
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:12 AM
Aug 2018

plainly says that there are only three original pieces of output on the web site.

Your defense of that family is oh so special but there is a history of funneling money to family members—see the hundreds of thousands to a woodworking shop of a daughter which contributed to the closing of a college, and now a 100k job for a son.

Answer your own questions and maybe the nepotism will be as obvious to you as it is to many of us.

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
90. This is not normal for a non-profit that is actually helping people
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:20 AM
Aug 2018

Exactly what qualifications do the employees have other than being related to a member of the sanders family?

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
17. Oooooooh good. Another Bernie bashing thread to feed the insatiable thirst
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

of the same handful of posters. Let it go already!

[link:|]

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. Why is it Bernie-bashing to discuss the Sanders Institute and how it spends its money?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:13 PM
Aug 2018

If Bernie wins the nomination, don't you think that issue will come up in the General?

Shouldn't Bernie be preparing now to answer questions about the Institute?

Or should we just sweep it all under the carpet now and wait for the GOP candidate, in the general election, to lift up the carpet and see what's underneath?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
43. The GOP attacks on Bernie are weak compared to the stuff
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:37 PM
Aug 2018

That I see everyday on this forum. There's only a few of us left on this board so you're really preaching to the chior.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
45. That's because he hasn't been the nominee. If he had been the nominee instead of Hillary,
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:40 PM
Aug 2018

the GOP would be throwing the kitchen sink at him.

And nothing about my OP is an attack. We only have a year and half till the primaries. It is time for ALL candidates to get their political houses in order.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
46. I meant overall on this board
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:43 PM
Aug 2018

But you don't seem to share the same concern with Avenatti who really would need to get his house in order if he we to run for politics and the GOP can make up some BS or throw in something real with him too.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
47. I think he is FAR less than Bernie to be the nominee, but of course
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:46 PM
Aug 2018

if he has issues he should take care of them.

Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
32. Same tactics the Russian trolls used during the presidential election
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:06 PM
Aug 2018

They kept bringing up the possible injuries Bernie or Hillary may or may not have suffered at the hands of establishment Dems or more liberal Dems. Imagined and real injuries were brought up over and over. This encouraged infighting and bickering. Eventually the 2 camps split, losing votes and the election.



Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
33. I agree Rick. That's why it has to stop.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:13 PM
Aug 2018

There is definitely an effort to split us Dems with all of the Bernie bashing. Even if I'm not 100% happy with a candidate in the general I am voting BLUE. Others may be so disgusted by the divisive comments that they may not do that. That scares me. We need to do better and focus our efforts on unifying the party,not dividing it.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
59. Your projections are rather amusing.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:51 PM
Aug 2018

California is the most progressive state and it went Hillary. Tens of millions -- All angry shut-ins??

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
56. Anybody new must be a troll??? Grow up
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:57 PM
Aug 2018

So original! Diminishing anyone who doesn't share your opinions says more about you than it does me. I've done a lot more for the Democratic party over the years than just post on a message board. I guess your 18,000 posts on DU trumps 40 years of activism.

The gleeful posting and re-posting of anti-Bernie propaganda is hurting the cause. It's turning off the young people who support Bernie that come to DU. We need their votes in 2018 and 2020. This nonsense doesn't help.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
52. Been on DU for about 4 years.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:35 PM
Aug 2018

Thom Hartmann turned me on to it. Came for all of the articles and discussions. Only decided to start participating this spring because I retired and couldn't sit back while progressives I admire were unfairly disparaged. I'm just hoping we can learn from the election of Agent Orange and unify as Dems for 2018 and 2020.

Voltaire2

(13,078 posts)
19. We have a fascist in the White House and a huge
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:52 PM
Aug 2018

election coming up where we all have to pull together to win, and some of us insist on aggravating the divisions.

Why?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. I think it would be a wise idea, if Bernie is going to run, for him to shut down this "Think Tank"
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:10 PM
Aug 2018

or at least make sure it is doing good with the donations it is receiving.

Don't you think our candidates should be as strong as possible?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
42. If I was trying to FIGHT him, I'd be happy to let him string along with
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:31 PM
Aug 2018

this foundation, as-is.

But because I think he might run, and I want our candidate to be as strong as possible, whoever it is, I think Bernie should fix this problem now, not wait till it's too late.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
29. "Aggravating the divisions" would be to have a whole different set of standards for Democrats
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:44 PM
Aug 2018

than the ones Sanders' himself attacks them about. Transparency, for instance, like taxes and explaining family salaries for your own family while tarnishing others with the patina of corruption and wrongdoing while offering no proof.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
23. I never heard that, and I don't know who that Tweeter is, but I just found this about Credico,
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:30 PM
Aug 2018

who appeared to support Sanders for a while in the primaries but switched to Jill Stein for the General.

Also, Robert Mueller just subpoenaed Credico.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/30/the-intermediary-between-roger-stone-and-wikileaks-was-a-sanders-supporter/

On August 21st, a month and a half before Wikileaks released the first set of emails from John Podesta, Roger Stone tweeted, “Trust me, it will soon [be] Podesta’s time in the barrel.” That, as well as other revelations from Stone about their activities, led a lot of people to wonder who was playing the role of intermediary between he and Julian Assange, who runs an organization that increasingly looks to be operating as a Russian front.

We now have an answer to that question. It was a comedian and radio host named Randy Credico. One of the things I find most interesting about this story is that Credico claims that he was a Jill Stein supporter during the election. Stein has her own issues to answer for when it comes to the Russia investigation, but at least during the primaries, Credico was very public about his support for Bernie Sanders.

SNIP

As you can see from that video, Credico expressed a lot of disgust for Hillary Clinton, going after her on similar charges at the Huffington Post. But here’s the kicker: just after Donald Trump secured the Republican nomination in May, Roger Stone said that Credico was going to start a “Sanders Supporters for Trump” group. That would have been a full month before Clinton secured the Democratic nomination.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/house-intel-stone-credico

Credico “hates Donald Trump,” his lawyer Martin R. Stolar told TPM, but he also doesn’t much care for Hillary Clinton, according to his YouTube feed, having spent the 2016 primary season talking up Bernie Sanders and criticizing Clinton in a series of videos in which he variously does impressions of Bill Clinton, Humphrey Bogart, Henry Fonda and the Geico gecko mascot.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/04/19/inside-the-dirty-tricks-of-roger-stone/

Credico’s estimation of Bernie Sanders did not improve over the winter holidays. On February 10, the day after Sanders enjoyed his first victory in the New Hampshire primary, Credico tweeted “Hate to say it but ‘political revolution’ is no more than a repackaged version of ‘Yes, We Can.’”[19]

Sanders success in New Hampshire started a roller-coaster ride and an extended primary season. While Sanders vastly exceeded expectations, by the time the April 19 New York primary rolled around he was in a win-or-go-home situation.

For Sanders’ supporters, the stakes couldn’t have been higher. As part of the get out the vote effort “a super 36 Hour Comedy and Music marathon” was announced on the campaign website. Running from April 17 up until poll closing on the 19, the event, held at the Commons Café in Brooklyn, featured a list of minor celebrities, stand-up comics and local musical artists.

Randy Credico organized the event at Common Café that ran from April 17 to April 19, serving as the emcee and acting for all the world like the biggest booster of Bernie Sanders in the borough of Brooklyn. His infatuation didn’t last long.

On May 10, Roger Stone appeared on former Arizona congressman J.D. Hayworth’s NewsMax Prime television program and revealed that Randy Credico was starting a Sanders Supporters for Trump group.[20]

Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, Stone was revealing something of considerable importance. Randy Credico, who had initially considered Bernie Sanders an inadequate socialist and an apologist for U.S. imperialism, was now on the Trump train. How many of the people who traipsed through the Common Café three weeks earlier suspected that the emcee would soon be working to help Trump become the president? They never suspected any such thing because they had no idea that Credico and Stone were friends with a history of ratfucking their political opponents.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/politics/randy-credico-roger-stone-wikileaks/index.html

Special counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico to testify before a grand jury next month, according to Credico's attorney.

Martin Stolar told CNN he received a subpoena Thursday and Credico intends to comply and testify on September 7.
Credico, a comedian and radio show host, will likely meet with Mueller's team for a voluntary interview first. Credico previously declined a request from Mueller's team for a voluntary interview.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
25. Well of course.The Russians plan was to weaken Hillary in the primaries and the general.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018

Isn't it logical that a Russian plant would enthusiastically try to gain support for her opponents? If her opponents were Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck Credico would have been endorsing them because his true candidate was Trump. Has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders. It was a divide and conquer political technique that is old as the hills.

Think about it, HRC's campaign hatched a plan to pump Trump up because he would be the easier candidate to beat. Only a fool would surmise that she was somehow in cahoots with the Trump campaign to get him elected President.

From Politico article They Always Wanted Trump
Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face
:

So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.

“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.

“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."


[link:https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428|]

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
55. Dang! I've never lived in snow and didn't realize these types of opportunities
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:48 PM
Aug 2018

existed! Snowboards are $$$$.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
63. Well, former office holders with really great ideas get that much.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:24 PM
Aug 2018

Unfortunately, currently elected politicians who have been giving the the same old tired speech for 45 years just won't be paid much.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
85. It depends on what is done with the money. I applaud politicians who get money from banks
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 01:04 AM
Aug 2018

and then use it to pay for millions of doses of vaccines for children, or other worthy causes.

People who take the same amount and use it to pay for a salary for 3 people to maintain a web site, well, they doesn't seem as much worth applauding.

brush

(53,794 posts)
95. You mean like the hundreds of thou funneled to a woodworking shop from a failed college's funds?
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 02:51 AM
Aug 2018

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
96. I'd rather take it from Wall St, than from the poor blue collar suckers who thought they were...
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 08:04 AM
Aug 2018

supporting a worthy cause. Little did they know, their $27 were being doled out so Jane'$ offspring could come up in the world.

Response to jalan48 (Reply #60)

Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #106)

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
113. Not asking you for help.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:03 PM
Aug 2018

I wanted clarification as to what you meant by "new leadership". New Democratic House majority. ok

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
107. Focusing on the current financial set-up is threatening to certain power groups. I expect the
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018

attacks to increase as the message about income inequality spreads.

Response to jalan48 (Reply #107)

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
110. Do you think people will believe this when Jane's son
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:40 PM
Aug 2018

is making $100,000 per year?? These stale talking points are apparently very selective in application.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
111. Yeah-Jane's son makes $100,000 therefore income inequality is not real and I now love my
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:50 PM
Aug 2018

two low paying jobs with no benefits. That's it!

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
112. He went from a snowboard clerk job to 6-figures.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:51 PM
Aug 2018

Income inequality isn’t really a thing for the privileged, so it doesn’t look like people will be afraid of him, lol.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
115. This always cracks me up, Your self-imposed restrictions on other
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:26 PM
Aug 2018

candidates don’t mean anything except to the limited audience who promotes them. A completely arbitrary set of gotchas that no one cares about but you. It’s a closed system.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
117. LOL, just like Sanders son who went from a snowboard
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:31 PM
Aug 2018

clerk to a mega 6-figure salary, all while denigrating the “privileged”. I’m sure it’s a real crack up!

George II

(67,782 posts)
119. It wouldn't be all that important except.....................his mother gave him the job using....
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:40 PM
Aug 2018

....other peoples' money.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
121. Yes, the double standards. It looks like Sanders' benefits
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 11:37 PM
Aug 2018

from his popularity, so why begrudge others who are also sought after. Being popular isn’t corrupt.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
120. Yes, Mom really come through. I can't even imagine having such
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 11:30 PM
Aug 2018

good fortune through my divorced parents. Both Sanders’ offspring and the upbringing that Cortez had are way beyond the norm and leagues beyond anything my parents would ever do for us.

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. I have to admit, a few years after graduating from college my parents helped me...
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 11:56 PM
Aug 2018

....make ends meet. But they used money that they earned working for a living, not asking others to give them.

budkin

(6,703 posts)
71. I supported Bernie in 2016, but I won't in 2020
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:47 PM
Aug 2018

I stand for a lot of what he believes, but there are some things I've learned about him that really make me angry, the latest of which is him saying that the Democratic party only cares about the 1%.

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