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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen. Democrats can stop all Senate business and kill all Trump judicial appointments-Why don't we?
Whats the drawback of denying all unaimious consent requests, thus killing the Kavanagh nomination and the other judicial travesties, until at least after the election?
If Kavanagh gets confirmed, its only because We decide he should be confirmed, which we never will do! I was looking for delay tactics tonight and found that the senate grinds almost to a halt if just one senator refuses the senate agenda. This also doesnt fall within the nuclear option rule change. Heres the link:
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/rookie-threatens-to-tie-up-senate-057954
From 2011 but why arent we doing this? This basically obliterates the entire Trump agenda! Lets say to Dotard! Not one more single Nazi judge, punk!👍
msongs
(67,409 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)SkyDancer
(561 posts)and one I'd love to know the answer to.
It isn't just this though, look at the recent MIC budget for 2019.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It all started under the Republicans when Obama got reelected. There have been more cloture motions in since 2012 than in several decades before that.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/01/trumps-nominees-have-already-faced-a-large-number-of-cloture-votes/
still_one
(92,204 posts)nominations?
Democrats can't hold up the SC nominees by requiring a 60-vote consensus, that no longer exists, and in case you didn't know republicans have the majority in the Senate.
Obviously, those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016 didn't given a damn about the SC, and that is where a large portion of the blame lies for the situation we are in now.
Because of that we will lose two SC nominations
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)The Senate does a great deal, if not most of its business using "unanimous consent" (all senators agree to proceed). But any senator can object to the unanimous consent request. Then there's a quorum call and the clerk has to call the roll. If you've ever watched CSPAN2, you've seen how tedious this process is. Once all senators are present, then there is a vote on proceeding with whatever the Senate business is that's being requested.
Senators don't sit at their Senate floor desks all day, they're off in committee meetings, meeting with constituents, etc. When there's a quorum call, then roll call, the Senators have to drop what they're doing and return to the floor to check in and vote.
Senators then have two choices, sit at their desks and go through roll call vote after roll call vote or try to conduct their individual and/or committee work while coming and going from quorum calls and roll call votes. Neither option is especially appealing.
Rand Paul actually threatened to object to every unanimous consent (or did it for a day) in order to force McConnell's hand on something in the fairly recent past. Dems also did this for 1 day since Nov 2016. I recall McConnell questioning why Dems would object to some fairly obsure committee meeting that did not happen because they objected to unanimous consent.
Jeff Flake, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has effectively stopped McConnell's plan to approve Trump court nominees during Aug by going on vacation for the month. That committee cannot proceed without him.
still_one
(92,204 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)earlier in my life.
spike91nz
(180 posts)They will prove themselves incapable of dealing with the crisis the republic now faces and we will be resigned to our last hope residing with Mueller. It is the lack of strong political commitment when the issues are critical that has rendered the supporters of our policies so apathetic.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Voters could have given Democrats a majority in the Senate but they werent interested in that either.
Elections have consequences. Time to GOTV in 2018
triron
(22,006 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)FBaggins
(26,743 posts)Why do you think Trunp still has so many appointments unconfirmed when he controls the Senate?
It doesnt stop all Senate business - it just slows it down significantly.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Republicans are ruthless. When Barack won they met and decided to make everything political over country, decided to obstruct everything. I made a mistake by thinking that strategy wouldn't work for long.
This is my opinion; 2 of the toughest Democrats who are rumored to be running for president are Elizabeth Warren and Corey Booker, I hate to say this, but they aren't tough enough, or should I say, dirty enough. I am now on the Michael Avenatti band wagon, even though I know little about him. We need to fight fire with stronger fire. The Democratic establishment is already starting to talk against Avenatti, they are wrong, they underestimate Trump, the Republican Congress, and Trump's tribal followers.
I've come to the opinion that we Dems may need Avenatti to run for president, business as usual is long gone.
I am not talking against Democrats Warren and Booker. I will heartily support them if one gets the nomination, I am just talking reality.
We are all hoping for the bombshell report from Mueller to come out and change everything, myself included, but remember this, IMO, we haven't seen the worst of the Republicans yet either, they will go to any length, even the destruction of our democracy, to maintain power.
Raven123
(4,844 posts)Thats where we need help.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)and kindly tell them in private if they do not kill this nomination that when they regain control and have a Democrat as President that they will ram through an increase of SCOTUS to 17 and then pack it with progressive judges using the same exact 51+ vote tactic to appoint SCOTUS judges that the Repugnants have been using.
Shrek
(3,980 posts)Suppose the Republicans retain the Senate. What would stop them from doing the same thing between now and 2020?
With a Democratic threat of court-packing already on the record they'd just claim they're responding in kind.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)you stand up to them.
And it would not be on the record it would be a private message delivered to their Senate leader who could privately swing enough votes to kill the nomination.
mythology
(9,527 posts)That idea was bad when FDR tried it.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)to get his people in line or face the consequences for their actions.
tritsofme
(17,379 posts)Schumer cant credibly speak for a theoretical future majority, let alone the next Democratic president on such a major item.
It would also then be entirely rational for Republicans to relay that private message to the public, and preemptively take the action you propose, but in the Republicans favor.
These sorts of escalations do not end well, and Schumer is smart enough not to get embroiled in them. If we want to stop losing votes in the Senate, we need to win the majority. There is no other solution.
Squinch
(50,950 posts)it to the general.
tritsofme
(17,379 posts)wouldn't exist for much longer.
McConnell wouldn't simply put up his hands and say "Dang, they got us!"
Republicans would alter the rules on a majority vote, and be able to move on.
Democrats may be able to introduce delay, but the only way to stop them is with our own majority.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)nt
tritsofme
(17,379 posts)Minority Republicans contemplated such a strategy in response to Senate Democrats going nuclear in 2013, but quickly backed off. Shutting down all Senate business over an extended period simply is not a viable or sustainable strategy for the minority.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)why, when Republicans don't want something to happen and are not in the majority, how they can put secret holds and other such things on them and they never get anywhere.
Are Dems just not willing to use these tools?
I truly don't understand why when Dems are in the majority, the other side is able to stop nearly all business, but Dems can't seem to stop or stall anything.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)Make it so!