Mary and Joseph seek asylum at the southern border

[autorank]

If Mary gave birth to Jesus while she and Joseph sought asylum in the USA, the Trump-Sessions centurions would take the baby Jesus, put him in a cage, and send Mary Mother of God and Joseph south of the border in a dirty bus.

[Uncle Joe]

1. Trump is compassionate and has come a long way since the days of Herod,

or the children would've been murdered...so we have that going for us.





Thanks for the thread autorank.

[lapucelle]

2. This Cathedral Put a Nativity Scene in a Cage to Protest President Trump's Immigration Policy

http://time.com/5330172/donald-trump-christ-church-cathedral-cage-nativity-immigration-protest/

[braddy]

5. They weren't there illegally, but by government orders.

[lapucelle]

8. They were refugees in Egypt seeking asylum

after the birth in Bethlehem.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/12/27/were-jesus-mary-and-joseph-refugees-yes

[braddy]

9. Not when Christ was born and Egypt was Rome.

[lapucelle]

11. The church probably moved the "nativity" statues into the enclosure

not realizing that some (in their haste to find fault) would miss the message.

[braddy]

13. What do you mean?

[Hekate]

15. Whoosh

[autorank]

22. Exactly

Thanks for sharing that.

[lapucelle]

23. "All families are holy"

was the theme of the display. I think it's very powerful.

[KCDebbie]

3. That's exactly what would happen...

[autorank]

21. !

[KCDebbie]

24. I mean, if Joseph and Mary tried to get into the US to escape oppression

Joseph and Mary would be deported and Baby Jesus would be put in a kennel...

[braddy]

4. Did they go to their hometown for the census as ordered by their government?

"1In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town. 4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child."

Luke 2:1

[lapucelle]

6. The family fled into Egypt after Joseph was warned in a dream.

They were refugees seeking asylum in a safe place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_into_Egypt

[braddy]

7. Egypt was still Rome.

[lapucelle]

10. They sought refuge in Egypt which was out of Herod's jurisdiction.

Definition of refugee:
one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution

If you want to impose a a 21st century definition on a 1st century event in order to argue a distinction without a difference, you are free do so.

[braddy]

14. They did not ignore immigration law, they moved from New York to Jersey, big deal.

[Hekate]

16. I am beginning to wonder exactly what your point is

[braddy]

17. There is a huge mistake being made on Mary, Joseph, and Christ's birth, and then them moving over

to a different part of Rome with a different Gov.

[lapucelle]

18. Are you sure it wasn't Mars? Earth was still Mars then.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10021080005

[braddy]

19. No, they traveled a very short distance according to your wiki source.

"Egypt was a logical place to find refuge, as it was outside the dominions of King Herod, but both Egypt and Israel were part of the Roman Empire, linked by a coastal road known as "the way of the sea",[1] making travel between them easy and relatively safe."

[lapucelle]

20. I thought they went to New Jersey.

[moriah]

12. And ruled by a different governor, outside the oppressive influence.

Of course, people have attributed the story in Matthew as an allegory to the Exodus.

And so one doesn't have to go much further than the OT to find tons of references to decent treatment of strangers and refugees in your lands, "for you were strangers in the Land of Egypt." Often followed by a reference to the Entity giving this commandment being the god that brought them *out* of Egypt, as a justification for why that fair treatment is so important.

I guess a better analogy would be:

If Trump had a dream and an immigrant detainee named Jose with a neat coat interpreted it correctly for him... rather than freeing him and acting on his advice for the good of the nation, he'd send him back to his country, steal the coat for Ivanka to rip off the style on and ruin in the process, keep his sons in camps, give the information to Putin immediately, and figure out some way to ruin the world economy while lining his own pockets.