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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 12:10 PM Aug 2012

the money you and I make to support ourselves is called income and is taxed up to 35 percent

the money you and I make to support ourselves is called income and is taxed up to 35 percent, but the money Mitt makes raiding companies with borrowed money and extracting draconian management fees from captive companies that have no choice but to pay them is called "Carried Interest," and taxed at a top rate of 15%.

The ostensible excuse for this outrageous difference is based upon a built-in cultural value judgment, which says that the work Mitt Romney does raiding companies with borrowed money is more valuable than the work ordinary people do laying asphalt or teaching autistic children. Here's what one private equity spokesperson said by way of explanation for this difference:

Steve Judge, the president of the Private Equity Growth Capital Council, a trade group for private equity funds, said carried interest is a way to reward risk takers in a way that tax havens do not. "They don’t have the purpose of incentivizing risk taking," Judge said. "That makes it inappropriate to blend carried interest with them."

So the carried interest tax break is a way to "incentivize" the kind of work Mitt Romney does. One wonders then if the relatively higher tax rates paid by teachers and librarians and cops is ... what? A disincentive? Anyway, it's this skewed set of obligations that Mitt Romney thinks is "fair."

The Obama administration, if it wanted to, could make a lot of hay over this. It could say, “Mitt Romney doesn’t want to release his tax returns for years and years during the last decade. But the years for which he did release returns, he paid a rate that’s less than half of what most ordinary American professionals make – and he thinks that’s 'fair.'"

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/obama-not-reid-should-be-taking-on-mitt-romneys-tax-record-20120809#ixzz2349BejKI

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the money you and I make to support ourselves is called income and is taxed up to 35 percent (Original Post) phantom power Aug 2012 OP
Rich folks get elected and make the rules. MineralMan Aug 2012 #1
+1 mike_c Aug 2012 #2
One of the biggest fallacies of taxing the rich dodger501 Aug 2012 #3
+1 Back in the days of Ike and JFK hifiguy Aug 2012 #4
DING!, DING!, DING! RC Aug 2012 #5
Yes, but that was before the nation got stuck on stupid. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #14
Can't argue with that! nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #15
I'm sure it's a deficiency on my part, but 35+ years later I'm still stunned at how truly awful Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #16
What hifiguy said. Scuba Aug 2012 #17
K&R woo me with science Aug 2012 #6
These people are incentivesed to destroy companies. Wilms Aug 2012 #7
The more I read, the more pissed off I get. AllyCat Aug 2012 #8
The scary thing is that they are graduating to simply making their "play" legal Hydra Aug 2012 #10
You pay more, Mitt pays less. Blue Owl Aug 2012 #9
It ain't just Mittwitt, my friend. 99Forever Aug 2012 #11
+1 HiPointDem Aug 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author bvar22 Aug 2012 #13
Remember Leona Helmsley HeiressofBickworth Aug 2012 #18

dodger501

(1,069 posts)
3. One of the biggest fallacies of taxing the rich
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 12:52 PM
Aug 2012

at the same rate as us is that you will scare them away, they won't risk their money.
Bullshit. What are they going to do then, go to work at the factory or the car wash?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. +1 Back in the days of Ike and JFK
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

there was no incentive for executives to loot their corporations because they'd be taxed up the wazoo on it. So the money went back into the businesses for things like R&D.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
5. DING!, DING!, DING!
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 01:08 PM
Aug 2012

We have a winner! The very last thing that will be done is the very first thing that needs to be done.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
16. I'm sure it's a deficiency on my part, but 35+ years later I'm still stunned at how truly awful
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 06:17 PM
Aug 2012

we have become.

AllyCat

(16,233 posts)
8. The more I read, the more pissed off I get.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

These people have more loopholes, strategies, and advantages than every taxpayer in the world combined. Shame on them. Then send them to jail.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
10. The scary thing is that they are graduating to simply making their "play" legal
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

Why have obscure loopholes when you have the police and military on your payroll? All they have to do is say "If you have more than 100 million in assets, you are exempt from all laws."

Bet that's coming, too.

Blue Owl

(50,518 posts)
9. You pay more, Mitt pays less.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 03:08 PM
Aug 2012

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99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. It ain't just Mittwitt, my friend.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 03:36 PM
Aug 2012

In fact, he's kind of a piker compared with the real money assholes. Try it this way:


The 99% pays more, the 1% pays almost nothing.

Response to phantom power (Original post)

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
18. Remember Leona Helmsley
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:10 PM
Aug 2012

who famously said only the little people pay taxes. I think that sums up the Republican viewpoint on the matter.

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