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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReminder: Plea agreement doesn't necessarily mean a cooperation agreement. We need to know a lot
Reminder: Plea agreement doesn't necessarily mean a cooperation agreement. We need to know a lot more to speculate on what this might mean.
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Reminder: Plea agreement doesn't necessarily mean a cooperation agreement. We need to know a lot (Original Post)
MelissaB
Aug 2018
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I can't imagine a scenario where prosecutors would accept a plea without cooperation
missingthebigdog
Aug 2018
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missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)1. I can't imagine a scenario where prosecutors would accept a plea without cooperation
They have him. He knows it. They know it. The only advantage to prosecutors of a plea deal is cooperation.
RockRaven
(14,974 posts)2. Also a cooperation agreement does not mean effective cooperation
See George PapaD's case for an example.
A long way to go still with Cohen.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)3. Spicy concurs, MelissaB:
Question remains what KIND of plea deal.
Is he a proactive cooperating witness?
Is he merely a global witness?
Is he secular to crimes in NYC -cough- Trump Org?
More importantly is Cohen cooperating with Mueller and that Investigation?
So many questions...
Heres another thing, this -might- be merely a plea deal versus a cooperating witness as part of a plea deal.
Thats a relatively YUGE distinction most will conflate
When it comes to Cohen always know to look deeper, hes not exactly a kosher business man. Just saying.
1:03 PM - Aug 21, 2018
Still...if nothing else...Cohens name is IN THE NEWS, which surely causes upset and concern in certain quarters, so thats always a GOOD THING!!!
Is he a proactive cooperating witness?
Is he merely a global witness?
Is he secular to crimes in NYC -cough- Trump Org?
More importantly is Cohen cooperating with Mueller and that Investigation?
So many questions...
Heres another thing, this -might- be merely a plea deal versus a cooperating witness as part of a plea deal.
Thats a relatively YUGE distinction most will conflate
When it comes to Cohen always know to look deeper, hes not exactly a kosher business man. Just saying.
1:03 PM - Aug 21, 2018
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Still...if nothing else...Cohens name is IN THE NEWS, which surely causes upset and concern in certain quarters, so thats always a GOOD THING!!!
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)6. Spicy is one smart, nerdy chick.
She is one of the best follows on twitter.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)7. This from her too!
4PM hearing expected to plead guilty to:
Tax Fraud
Bank Fraud
A (single) campaign finance violation charge
So @realDonaldTrump you may want to call your Dr and ask to be sedated its going to be a rough afternoon for you
twitter.com/nbcnewyork/sta
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)4. "But it remains unclear if he has committed to cooperate."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-president-trumps-longtime-personal-attorney-reaches/story?id=57310974
ABC News has learned that Michael Cohen has entered into a plea agreement with federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York.
Given Cohens proximity to Trump during the past decade, including throughout his meteoric rise from mogul and reality television star to the White House, observers consider him one of most potent legal thorns to confront Trumps presidency since he took office.
The guy who knows where all the bodies are buried, said Seth Hettena, an author and veteran journalist who has chronicled Trumps business career.
The investigation into Cohen was referred to New Yorks Southern District by special counsel Robert Mueller, and if Cohen agrees to cooperate, the information he provides could benefit the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. But it remains unclear if he has committed to cooperate.
Given Cohens proximity to Trump during the past decade, including throughout his meteoric rise from mogul and reality television star to the White House, observers consider him one of most potent legal thorns to confront Trumps presidency since he took office.
The guy who knows where all the bodies are buried, said Seth Hettena, an author and veteran journalist who has chronicled Trumps business career.
The investigation into Cohen was referred to New Yorks Southern District by special counsel Robert Mueller, and if Cohen agrees to cooperate, the information he provides could benefit the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. But it remains unclear if he has committed to cooperate.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)5. Good point. "Plea" is being used as shorthand
for cooperation, but they're not the same and I'd actually kind of forgotten to remember that a long time ago.
So thanks, MelissaB!