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matt819

(10,749 posts)
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:49 PM Aug 2018

Huh? - CNN: Judge tells Manafort jury to keep deliberating after it asks about impact of

not reaching verdict on one count

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/paul-manafort-trial-jury/index.html

Key paragraphs: "If we cannot come to a consensus for a single count, how can we fill in the verdict sheet?" the jury wrote in a note to Ellis.

Without jurors present, Ellis also told the courtroom that he will not ask the jury for a partial verdict at this time.

That seems highly prejudiced.

DU Lawyers: Is this common, or are juries "allowed" to divide up their verdicts, especially with so many counts?

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
1. Yes, they can divide up their verdict.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:50 PM
Aug 2018

Manafort is being charged with 18 different crimes so he could be found guilty of some but not all of them.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. Not a lawyer, but the jury reaches a verdict on each count separately
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:52 PM
Aug 2018

A partial verdict would mean they hung only on some counts. Normal procedure is to send the jury back to deliberate further before saying they definitely can't agree.

SWBTATTReg

(22,130 posts)
4. Hey this happened in my trial where I served on the jury...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:53 PM
Aug 2018

We were in a trial, and were asked for verdict on ALL counts (and sent back/instructions to the jury room to do so). We did, eventually (come up w/ verdicts on ALL counts)...so, in short, it does happen.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
5. Each count is is a seperate, independent crime.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:53 PM
Aug 2018

A person can be convicted on one count and acquitted or have a hung jury on another count. They're all independent of one another.

The judge would prefer not to have to have a second trial of any counts that haven't been agreed upon unless it is absolutely clear the jury is deadlocked without any chance of agreement. That's why he instructed them to keep deliberating.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
6. They have only deliberated 3 days now. I don't see a problem with the juddge asking them to
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:54 PM
Aug 2018

review the remaining charge before throwing in the towel.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. "That seems highly prejudiced." - Huh? This is usual practice. The phrase "partial verdict"...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:56 PM
Aug 2018

means the judge has decided that the jury has deliberated long enough and there is no
point in trying to reach a consensus on further counts. They've only been deliberating for
a couple of days - too early to give up trying for a decision on all counts.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
8. The verdict will be partial if jury is hung on one count.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:00 PM
Aug 2018

This is normal. It’s also a very bad for Mr. Manafort

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. Too late for a deal
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:19 PM
Aug 2018

I suspect there is no basis for Manafort to try and make a deal at this point. Of course no one knows WHICH count upon which they are hung, but it probably makes little difference. I'd bet the prosecution would love to know, only so that they could consider withdrawing the count.

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