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Al Franken on Trump/Manafort pardon. (Original Post) Cattledog Aug 2018 OP
I think the nerve agent attacks in Britain were a message to Manafort. mn9driver Aug 2018 #1
Cohen grew up in the Russian mob underpants Aug 2018 #2
Yep - and he married into it too FakeNoose Aug 2018 #22
I've been saying that for months now lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #3
His daughters hate him. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #5
They may or may not hate him... I'm pretty sure he doesn't want them to die lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #6
Warning #1 is killing the youngest child localroger Aug 2018 #8
wikileaks had thousands of emails and texts between the daughters... Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #7
Here's a reddit page with some of the leaked emails. nt Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #18
'Here' where? YOHABLO Aug 2018 #32
fixed Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #37
His daughters hate him. LenaBaby61 Aug 2018 #35
Sounds like a reasonable prediction. BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #4
Paulie owes a lotta Russians and Ukrainians a lotta money Roland99 Aug 2018 #9
And They Ain't Gonna Get A Dime PaulX2 Aug 2018 #11
What's Russian for "I'll have my bond!"? Roland99 Aug 2018 #21
Al and Franni Franken, Please come back LakeArenal Aug 2018 #10
President Franken. CentralMass Aug 2018 #27
Has a marvelous ring to it proglib217 Aug 2018 #40
+1 CentralMass Aug 2018 #41
Smart lady, that Franni. nt Hekate Aug 2018 #12
She should have run. Marcuse Aug 2018 #14
Al, you are one lucky man to have Franni as your wife... pangaia Aug 2018 #13
I agree with Franni. That's one reason Papadopoulis's wife is wanting him to recant. Texin Aug 2018 #15
NO pity for Ostrich-lovin' ManFART... LenaBaby61 Aug 2018 #39
Polonium meatloaf in prison? SergeStorms Aug 2018 #16
likely working in the kitchen, too. nt Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #38
Manafort wont spill a word; putin will be after his family if he does AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #17
Cohen is gonna spill his guts....gonna sing like a canary and Russians know better than to mess Pepsidog Aug 2018 #19
Great post dalton99a Aug 2018 #20
"I am sickened by his words and actions on an almost daily basis" KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #23
Or maybe the Russians will silence them now Shoonra Aug 2018 #24
Yeah, the deaths of Cohen and Manafort wouldn't seem to have any downside for the Russians. Girard442 Aug 2018 #42
True. We never factor that in. Nt Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2018 #25
A pardon could hurt Trump more than it helps him. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2018 #26
But he still might do it melman Aug 2018 #28
So as it stands Manafort will do a Soprano style nickel in prison Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #29
Both of them are between a rock and a hard place workinclasszero Aug 2018 #30
He is more scared of the Russians than jail FM123 Aug 2018 #31
Yep. My first thought when the verdicts were announced. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #33
Well, I guess Manafort and Cohen are between a rock and a hard place. They should have known. YOHABLO Aug 2018 #34
We lost a strong voice in the battle against evil. Sigh. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #36

mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
1. I think the nerve agent attacks in Britain were a message to Manafort.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:17 PM
Aug 2018

I have no doubt he will not talk.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
22. Yep - and he married into it too
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:03 PM
Aug 2018

His wife and her whole family were born in Russia. I'm guessing he speaks at least some Russian but he may not be fluent.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
5. His daughters hate him.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:25 PM
Aug 2018

He's a terrible, terrible man. He forced his wife to have sex with multiple men in front of him for his own jollies. His daughters hate him.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
6. They may or may not hate him... I'm pretty sure he doesn't want them to die
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:26 PM
Aug 2018

And that's the threat they are under

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
7. wikileaks had thousands of emails and texts between the daughters...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 08:27 PM
Aug 2018

...and refused to leak them. But some have been revealed and authenticated.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
35. His daughters hate him.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:02 AM
Aug 2018

Plus, his ex son-in-law says that his ex daddy-in-law is a total scum bucket, or words to that effect.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
15. I agree with Franni. That's one reason Papadopoulis's wife is wanting him to recant.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:05 PM
Aug 2018

She knows that if he continues - and goes to prison- he will be killed there. And she may be in some (maybe a lot?) of physical danger herself.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
16. Polonium meatloaf in prison?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:14 PM
Aug 2018

You can bet if there's a prison anywhere, there's a member of the Russian mob inside it.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
17. Manafort wont spill a word; putin will be after his family if he does
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:26 PM
Aug 2018

his two dauthers would be in immidiate danger.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
19. Cohen is gonna spill his guts....gonna sing like a canary and Russians know better than to mess
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:38 PM
Aug 2018

around with Americans on American soil.

dalton99a

(81,513 posts)
20. Great post
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 09:42 PM
Aug 2018
Former U.S. Senator Al Franken
4 hrs ·

Sean Spicer, who served President Trump for a very limited amount of time, described Paul Manafort as someone “who played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time” in the Trump campaign.

That “very limited role,” of course, was “campaign chairman.” And during Manafort’s “very limited time” with the campaign (actually, he spent more time with the campaign than either Steve Bannon or Kellyanne Conway), he helped Trump secure and then accept the Republican nomination, and made sure that the convention platform dropped a plank that called for providing arms to Ukraine in its fight against Russia. And Manafort was there for Get-Dirt-on-Hillary meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower.

Of course, Manafort’s time with the campaign wouldn’t have been so limited had the media not zeroed in on his wildly lucrative consulting deal with brutal, Russian-backed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and on Manafort’s shady financial ties to Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.

Now that he has been convicted on multiple counts of financial misconduct, Manafort stands to spend the rest of his life in prison. As he girds himself for his next trial, most people believe that Manafort is expecting a pardon down the line from President Trump. My wife doesn’t think so.

Franni has been saying for months that Trump won’t pardon Manafort—because he doesn’t have to. Her theory is simple and chilling. Manafort knows that if he talks, the Russians will seek retribution. Trump knows this too, Franni believes. Perhaps, even, he and Putin discussed this in Helsinki.

PUTIN: Have no worry about Manafort talking. He knows is dead man if takes plea.

TRUMP: Wow! Good to know.

PUTIN: Same goes for interpreters. You hear me, you two?! Yuri, tell American interpreter I am serious.

RUSSIAN INTERPRETER: He means it. He’ll have us both killed.

PUTIN: Very painful death.

RUSSIAN INTERPRETER: Very painful. Most likely a nerve agent.

Okay, I don’t know if that actually happened. Maybe they just talked about adoptions. The point is, under Franni’s theory, Trump doesn’t have to pardon Manafort to keep him quiet. So, he won’t.

Which would be pretty telling. Look, I don’t like Donald Trump. Like many of us, I am sickened by his words and actions on an almost daily basis. And, in the grand scheme of things, his behavior towards the other sickening people he has surrounded himself with since getting into politics isn’t the biggest deal. I mean, separating children from their parents at the border is infinitely worse than letting your former campaign chairman spend the rest of his life in prison. For one thing, Manafort kind of deserves it.

But, if, down the road, Trump starts pardoning every other player in this collusion scandal who didn’t cop a plea, but not Paul Manafort, it will say something so deeply disturbing about Donald Trump.

I wrote in my most recent book that Trump’s behavior leading up to his inauguration (refusing to divest his business interests, installing a white supremacist as his chief strategist, making up a ridiculous lie about illegal voting in order to avoid admitting that he lost the popular vote, etc.) suggested “the kind of mental health problem that you would be disturbed to discover in your kid’s piano teacher, let alone the president of the United States of America.”

Months later, that still checks out. As Michelle Obama said, “Being president doesn’t change who you are. It reveals who you are.” Everything Donald Trump has done since becoming president tells us that he is selfish, callous, and cruel. And if Franni is right, we may be about to see just how deep the rot inside this man goes.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/paul-manafort-trial-jury/index.html

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
23. "I am sickened by his words and actions on an almost daily basis"
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:24 PM
Aug 2018

Dear Al,

Millions of us are right there with you every day.......

Thanks for that post. So good to hear from our beloved Senator we lost all too soon.........

Shoonra

(521 posts)
24. Or maybe the Russians will silence them now
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:31 PM
Aug 2018

Trump, being a Russian asset, can expect some help from the Russians. As long as Manafort and Cohen are alive they both present a problem: If Trump pardons them it will probably be considered an impeachable offense, and if Trump lets the prison doors close on them they might make a deal with the prosecution to testify against him. But if lightning struck them both right now, some of Trump's problems go away and he continues to be an asset to Russia. The Russians have shown some ability to bottle lightning this way.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
26. A pardon could hurt Trump more than it helps him.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:39 PM
Aug 2018

OK - he's pardoned. Now he can be subpoenaed to discuss Trump campaign issues. If those are covered in the pardon, he can't seek the protection of the 5th amendment because he can't incri.inate himself. If he remains silent, he's in contempt; if he lies, he can be prosecuted for perjury.

Trump's best hope passed when Manafort failed to escape the country.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
29. So as it stands Manafort will do a Soprano style nickel in prison
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:43 PM
Aug 2018

making russian sausage and noodles at night etc. LOTS of gangsters have done that and come out to become made men. He needs to have some more time to think bout what he's done.
As an observation/aside I noticed his wife didn't have the usual fast swaggering strut as she left the courtroom today..why the long face ?..I feel bad for her.....NAH! She knew where the cash was coming from. Just like Mrs Soprano.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
30. Both of them are between a rock and a hard place
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:44 PM
Aug 2018

Keep the faith with Dotard and Putin and spend years in prison or play ball with Mr Mueller and maybe get into the witness protection program?

I have no doubt that Manafort and probably Cohan have tons of cash stashed somewhere for emergencies lol.

They can’t use in a federal pen, so.....

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
33. Yep. My first thought when the verdicts were announced.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:06 PM
Aug 2018

Manafort won't talk because the Russians will whack him if he does.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
34. Well, I guess Manafort and Cohen are between a rock and a hard place. They should have known.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:07 PM
Aug 2018

They get what they deserve. And I don't mean a pardon. If that should happen, you can bet on the country not being pleased.

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