Rachel Maddow BOMBSHELL!

[kpete]

Lanny Davis, on Rachel Maddow, suggests strongly that his client Michael Cohen has information for Mueller on Trump campaign collusion with Russia and Trump’s knowledge of plans for Russian hacking before the hacking occurred

Link to tweet

[Leith]

1. I Just Watched That

Hooooly Shit! Cohen is going to spill everything he knows about tRump. Popcorn time.

[Mrs. Overall]

4. Me, too! I couldn't believe what he was saying!

[Leith]

16. And It Explains Why Cohen Has Lanny Davis as His Lawyer

Davis actually said that. Cohen didn't dare hire a con lawyer. He needed a known liberal lawyer for this. He's been planning it for months.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

43. I'm going to need a bigger bowl.

And a ton of dental floss !!

[pangaia]

56. Careful with the floss.

I just had a tooth break off when I was flossing !!!

[Tess49]

62. Agree. Had the same thing happen. Result: crown, then root canal plus a lot of money. n/t

[olegramps]

85. I have one question. If Trump's election is gained by fraud could it be nullified.

If he is guilty of violating campaign laws and he gained the office by fraudulent means couldn't every appointment and act be questionable? If his election was nullified then would Clinton be declared the president? I hope that someone with the knowledge about congressional law could provide insight.

[lagomorph777]

86. That's called impeachment. Unfortunately a mathematical impossibility, but...

The Democratic House should initiate proceedings anyway in January 2019. Get all the Russiapublican Senators on record protecting the Russian spy in the White House. Then destroy them in 2020.

[olegramps]

90. I am aware of what the congress can or will not do. I am referring to legal consequences.

This is an area that has never been explored. Nullification of the election making every act Trump did be completely declared to not be rolled back. This would include the latest Supreme Court appointment. I would like to have a constitutional lawyer provide an opinion.

[Caliman73]

91. I don't think there is legal or constitutional mechanism for nullifying an election.

It would be good, but there is no precedent or structure in place that could be used to make those changes. I am certainly not a constitutional lawyer, but I would imagine that this is a question that has been asked of them.

[olegramps]

92. When a person is sworn in they take an oath of office to up hold the constitution.

That oath includes every law and statute which includes those laws governing the manner of election. If it is found that they gained office by fraud then what is the determination as to their oath being a sham? These are the questions that have not been answered because this situation has not been previous confronted. I have two friends who are attorneys who just responded to me. Both said they are not constitutional lawyers and believer that it would have to go before the Supreme Court as to the election being subject to nullification. They responded that there have been cases of nullification but thought these pertained to fraudulent vote counts and where people were denied right to vote.


Here is what I am getting at. If Trump is impeached and removed from office Pence becomes president. If the election could be nullified then Pence would not be automatically made president since they run as a single entity and every act Trump did would be wiped off the books.

[trof]

98. I like the way you think.

From another olegramps.

[olegramps]

99. This concept is gaining ground just within the last couple of days.

I don't think that it is a far fetched as some people thought in response to my posts. If someone gains power through fraudulent means, then anything that they enacted measures under the auspice of that position would be unenforceable to my way of thinking.

[trof]

104. Sure sounds right to me.

[olegramps]

93. Well it seems that my question has merit. This is post on this board.

3:23 PM - BOB BRIGHAM 22 AUG 2018 AT 12:18 ET Former Watergate prosecutor Nick Ackerman explained to MSNBC’s Ali Velshi on Wednesday how the guilty pleas by longtime Donald Trump attorney and fixer Michael Cohen has brought into question the legitimacy of the ... (Raw Story)

[End Of The Road]

94. Nullification is not possible.

The rules for kicking a president out of office are in the Constitution. Nullification is not an option.

About our only hope is for a lot of Democrat victories in the midterms. Then impeachment and conviction might become possible.

GOTV

[olegramps]

100. Why, because you have said so. Elections have been nullified numerous times.

[moonseller66]

95. Impeachment?

What people are forgetting is impeachment may be a moot point.
If trump is accused directly of criminal or treasonable crimes and goes to jail, impeachment won't matter. Hell no longer be president if he goes to jail.

Admittedly it could take some time but under arrest there's no way he can be allowed to govern and even the Republican quislings would have to acknowledge that.

[End Of The Road]

96. Current thinking is that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

if this thinking is upheld, trump cannot be indicted, tried, convicted until after impeachment or expiration of term

[olegramps]

102. What I would like to know is just when and who declared this to be the fact.

Why, because it has never been actually tested. How does that stand with the absolute thinking of the founders who wrote extensively in the Federal Papers that a democracy is founded on the principle that no one is above the law. This is the bed rock principle upon which the so-called divinely justified authority of kings was above question and which was absolutely denounced as heresy by the founders of our republic. Under the law that we live under, each and every person is accountable for their actions even to the extent that ignorance is not even excusable. It is founded upon the concept that people of sound mind are endowed with the concept of right and wrong. What we are witnessing is a person in power who is assuming powers that the constitution never provided.

The claim that a president can not be indicted is nonsense in view of the principle that no one in above the law. Who in the hell convinently provide this exception. The constitution provides for the secussion of power in case the president in incapacitated. I find the argument that the president is indisposal for the operation of government to be a fallacious argument to circumnatigate the duty that each and every citizens is to be held accountable regardless of their claims of indispensibilty. It sounds like something that Dumposwitz dreamed up during his nape.

[underpants]

2. Wow

[Johnny2X2X]

3. Davis now on CNN.

Coming up at 9:46.

[dalton99a]

5. Cohen will sing.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

19. "Mueller will be interested in what Michael has to say" Oh My!

[volstork]

25. So much for

"taking a bullet for trump."

He's folding like a $2 lawn chair. Treason weasel.

[Blue_true]

34. The thing about taking a bullet.

If the size of the bullet gets big enough, no one will take it out of free will. Cohen is looking at a long time in prison if Trump somehow manages to stick everything on him (like The White House Attorney guessed could happen to him. Now it is a case of a first rat eating the other rat before the second rat turns to eat the first. The only thing that is certain is that a rat will get eaten, Cohen seems to be trying to make sure it isn't him.

[Scarsdale]

73. I do not like the guy,

but rather than go to prison protecting the Orange Blob, I would sing, too. Why should these guys take the fall, letting tRump roam free? I would spill my guts, rather than protect a corrupt ass like tRump. Take the entire clan down. Jared pointed out which districts the Russians should concentrate their efforts on. He is a traitor just like the rest of the "family of thugs"

[bdamomma]

79. hopefully it will be a matter of time

before Mueller squeezes tRump more, cut the little guys off and go right to the top.

[Glamrock]

6. Aaaahhhh ahhhhhh ohhhhhh ohhhhh ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh goodddddddddd!

And I'm spent.

[AwakeAtLast]

70. .

[NightWatcher]

7. That's it, we've got him, it's over, right. Wait, no, nothing matters anymore.

Link to tweet

[oasis]

8. Rachel's show will repeat at 9 pm pacific.

[eleny]

13. And the podcast without commercials is great

I listen to that when I miss the tv broadcast.

[oasis]

17. Today is the next best day of the year. Early Xmas Nov. 6th.

[Freethinker65]

9. They want Trump to do the right thing and resign, or be forced to resign by the GOP

Thing is, Pence was picked by Manafort, so he likely knew as well and could be the next to fall. The GOP is totally screwed. They need Russia to have any chance to stay in power.

[elmac]

30. gop will never force tRump out

nor impeach him. They are a party of criminals and they are as thick as thieves.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. No Pence!!!

[Haggis for Breakfast]

45. I don't like Pence at all,

but if trump is out before the election, Pence will be a lame duck for two years. Nobody likes him, not even the republicans. He's not going to get anywhere.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. Reading Omarosa's book. She really descrbes pence

As a moron nutcase

[Haggis for Breakfast]

61. He actually believes that

God talks to him ! When you start believing that you hear voices talking to you it's called schizophrenia.

Get help, FFS.

[Whiskeytide]

68. He is. But he doesn't...

... have trump’s base, so he won’t hold republicans hostage the way trump appears to be able to. If trump is your guy (ie you’re a deplorable) there’s no way you get behind Pence. He might tick up the evangelical numbers a little, but he’s not enough of an open dick to excite trump’s 30% gutter dwellers. Those people would fade away at the polls.

I genuinely believe a good number of republican politicians loathe trump, and see that he is damaging their party. But they can’t cross him because he’ll give them a stupid nickname and tweet about them. And they’ll lose an election.

As much as I hate Pence, he will never be as bad as trump across the board. Lesser of the evils kind of thing, I guess. I hate such scenarios.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

74. Maybe you're right. Might be like a nuttier version of Ford after Nixon

[avebury]

78. Pence is even worse than Trump.

He is a Dominionist who would try to force Christian Sharia law on this country. He is not just against a woman's right to choose but has tried to hamper a woman's right to birth control.

Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians based on their personal understandings of biblical law.

[Whiskeytide]

81. As a human being ...

... I agree he’s as bad in most, and certainly worse in some criteria.

But I think he’s significantly less electable than trump. He has no where near the “charisma” (I’m not even sure that’s the right word) trump seems to have with that base.

I think of it this way. If Kasich or Rubio had squeaked out 2016, and then ran the country the way trump has with the scandals and convictions - how many republican politicians would still be in their corner? Many, sure, but not anything like the cover trump enjoys. Part fear of turning off the base, part self incrimination, part fear of changing demographics - whatever it is, the Republican Party is terrified of crossing him or being against him in public. I don’t think any other person gets that protection. Not even Pence.

But don’t get me wrong. Pence is shit. I just think he’s a slightly smaller pile.

[lagomorph777]

87. Mike Penis is as bad as Trump but weaker.

And easier to take down, once Mueller's report shows how deeply Penis is mixed up in the Russia scandal.

[triron]

65. Pence is guilty of conspiracy as well. Mark my word.

Hillary should be installed as POTUS. She is the legitimate one.

This is so unprecedented who knows what may transpire.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. You remind me of a vivid memory of her

Speaking after the election. Trust me I am not going away. The way she said it was not the usual...almost like she thought that somehow some way she'd take her rightful place running our country.

[End Of The Road]

97. If Pence goes down, then Ryan is president

I'm sorry too, but it won't be Hillary.

[MontanaMama]

101. Call me crazy...

but I have wondered from time to time if this isn't why Ryan is quitting. Does he know that all these guys are going down and he'd be stuck in the WH? Ryan didn't even want to be speaker for pete's sake...

[Hekate]

44. Praying for Mueller to scoop Pence up too.

[TomSlick]

10. Remember, there is no cooperation agreement - that we know of.

There is nothing that says there is not a sealed cooperation agreement. Neither is there anything that says Cohen will not cooperate for sentencing consideration - just for consideration by the judge at sentencing.

Cohen's lawyer made it clear that the bird may (or may not) be singing but he sure as hell is warming-up.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. Odd sequence tho huh. Now and not at plea?

[TomSlick]

49. Yeah, I will confess that I have not understood by Manafort took this to trial.

If he were my client, I would be wanting to work the best deal I could before the trial next week - which comes much closer to conspiracy with Russian. The value of cooperation for sentencing purposes is less than it was before today. The value of cooperation is lower yet after a conviction next week.

The time was come, the Walrus said, to talk of many things.

[dawg day]

51. He wants to dangle something for mercy--

There are more counts he could be charged with. Brian Williams is just mentioning that Cohen's wife could be implicated in the business frauds... so this would be something he might hold back to save her.

[Amaryllis]

11. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...

[eleny]

12. Hope he spills it before the November election

[mucifer]

31. technically, he just did. But, yeah they had all that info already.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Ya..enough to take Senate too,!

[eleny]

46. That would be the thickest icing of any cake in the history of the world

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. Lol! Better if they take Pence and wife too with

Trump and we win house and Senate and they install Hillary just because it's right.

[eleny]

63. Who knows what Cohen has to share

And if Manafort spills his beans Pence could be in the hot pot. For that matter I'd love it if Omarosa has tapes about Pence. That would be hysterical. After today nothing would surprise me.

It feels like tomorrow will be the first day I'll wake up feeling good about the country. I wonder if Stephanie Miller will play her old intro song about walking on sunshine. Trump owes Americans a lot after what the bastid has put us through.

[workinclasszero]

14. BOMBSHELL is right!!!!

It’s ON Shitler, yippee!!!!

[superpatriotman]

15. He didn't repeat the Russia stuff with Cuomo

Unless I missed it

[Awsi Dooger]

20. Cuomo didn't ask about Russia specifically

And Davis didn't volunteer.

But the closing question was devoted to whether Cohen "knows things" about Trump and would tell the truth. Davis said he had long conversations with Cohen about Trump's suitability to be president, and that Cohen was motivated to tell the truth for the best interests of the country and also for Cohen's family.

So it sounded like the same thing, even if not specified.

Earlier, Davis said that Trump's legal team in writing to special counsel emphasized that Trump "directed" Cohen to make the hush money payment. Davis really made a point of that, as if to indicate the Trump lawyers screwed up without realizing it, and Davis was delighted about it.

[George II]

18. He just did the same thing on Chris Cuomo's show about five minutes ago.

Wouldn't it be ironic if a client of the Clintons' attorney brought trump down?

[Nictuku]

21. So where does a Pardon fall in all of this?

Knowing how petty the orange one is, I kind of doubt that he would pardon anyone who implicated him in a felony.

But would he do it to shut him up?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Good question. Think that ship sailed with Cohen..maybe Manafort? Nt

[Haggis for Breakfast]

47. Well, if Cohen's testimony

leads to Don Jr. going to jail, there won't be any pardon.

[GReedDiamond]

55. Not a Lawyer here...but if there is one out there that can...

...clarify the situation, it is my understanding that if one is pardoned, they may still be subpoenaed in an investigation and would not be allowed to plead the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination, since they accepted the pardon and therefore they are not subject to prosecution for their statements/testimony.

In other words, they'd be forced to talk or face charges of contempt of court.

[uponit7771]

67. My understanding Manafort can still be charged in state court for the 10 other charges

[Danascot]

80. Michael Cohen's lawyer says he will not accept pardon from 'criminal' Donald Trump

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142139526

[BigmanPigman]

22. If he talks the Russians will kill him or his family.

The same applies to Manafort. Al Frankin's wife Franni said the same thing.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11030025

[uponit7771]

24. +1, nah ... Red Don will try first

[Botany]

23. Maybe Cohen's Prague Trip

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/04/14/michael-cohen-visiting-prague-would-be-a-huge-development-in-the-russia-investigation/?utm_term=.88fe5dad7552

McClatchy reported on Friday evening that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s team has evidence of a trip by President Trump’s personal lawyer to Prague in the late summer of 2016. Overseas travel to non-Russian countries might strike some observers as an incremental — if not unimportant — development in Mueller’s probe. That is not the case. Confirmation that Cohen visited Prague could be quite significant.

A trip to Prague by Cohen was included in the dossier of reports written by former British intelligence official Christopher Steele. Those reports, paid for by an attorney working for Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee, included a broad array of raw intelligence, much of which has not been corroborated and much of which would probably defy easy corroboration, focusing on internal political discussions in the Kremlin.

Cohen’s visiting Prague, though, is concrete. Over the course of three of the dossier’s 17 reports, the claim is outlined — but we hasten to note that these allegations have not been confirmed by The Washington Post.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Ohhhh yeaahhh!!!!

[Grammy23]

27. Seems like things took a big turn against tRumpolini today.

With all the high fiving and good news being spread around, it might have been missed that tRump is now fingered as a co-conspirator and is running out of options to stay on as President. He has got to be getting really antsy and further off in his own fantasy that all is well and that he can beat this Russher thing. Now all of that is cracking apart. His admonition to ask Cohen about the payoff was a goldmine of information. tRumpolini needs to board AF 1 tonight and fly back to DC to pack his bags. His job as President crashed and burned today.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

52. Agree, Grammy but let's remember...

none of this TV interview stuff has any teeth until it's testimony in court. I fear this thing will drag out in court for many months like Manafort's case, before any sworn testimony directly implicates Trump.

Is it correct that considering this plea deal, Cohen's testimony will now only be through interviews before the Grand Jury?

Regardless of the delays, I agree with you that this is a huge step toward vacating this monster from our White House.....

[Still In Wisconsin]

28. What's that called again?

Oh yeah, collusion.

[bdamomma]

82. oh that word

collusion, which that POS keeps on repeating at his rallies no collusion no collusion, what a sick thing he is.

Let him pack up and go to Russia, I am sure Putin would have some words for him. Can you imagine if Putin throws him under the bus??

[spanone]

29. K&R...

[VOX]

32. Thanks, I'll catch the West Coast re-run at 9:00PM...

[Gothmog]

33. Lanny Davis was great tonight

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. Off topic. Wow he's aged. Yes, none of the rest of us do :)

[Gothmog]

38. WOW

Link to tweet

[workinclasszero]

40. Ikr?

This is HUGE!!!!

[ffr]

42. To remind everyone. Reaction the day after election outside the White House

[NewEnglandAutumn]

48. If the GOP were smart

they would think about the order of Presidential succession and vote to impeach both Trump and Pence this week. They are not required to hold hearing or anything they should just rush a vote then Paul Ryan will become POTUS if they wait and the Democrats gain control there is a possibility of a Democrat gaining control of the Presidency in 2019. It is simple math.

[Awsi Dooger]

50. Lanny Davis will be live with Don Lemon coming up on CNN

Avenatti also will be on the program

[dweller]

53. I guess I could ask my lawyer friend but 1st let me ask DU

if Mikey had knowledge of a crime (collusion) commuted by his client and did not report or whatever ... is he guilty of conspiracy also?

🤔

[Awsi Dooger]

54. Davis: "Patriotism and love of country caused him (Cohen) to recognize the danger..."

"of this particular president and his lack of suitability to be president of the United States."

"And his decision late one night to hit the reset button on his life and his previous loyalty to such a man."

[wiggs]

60. I agree with Avenati that Davis's statement is BS. Cohen flipped

not because he's a patriot but because he's up against the wall.

If he really were worried that Trump is not good for America, he's release all he has RIGHT NOW so the american people can convince the gop holdouts that they need to remove Trump asap or face the consequences

[Awsi Dooger]

66. Cohen has to rationalize it to himself and his family members

That was the vehicle. I don't mind, if the result cooperates. I'll send him an American flag

[orleans]

57. rachel's show link

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/cohen-more-than-happy-to-tell-mueller-all-that-he-knows-attorney-1303813187974?v=railb

[Honeycombe8]

64. Well, now. Things are progressing nicely. nt

[blue-wave]

69. Oh Wow Oh Wow Oh Wow!!!

If it's true this administration is sunk. That is treason: As Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution specifies, “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.” The Founders went out of their way to define treason narrowly because they knew how it had been repeatedly abused in the past.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-iii


"or in" is key. Is that not adhering to the enemy? Is that not giving them aid and comfort? One can even argue that the Russian cyber attacks was warring against the United States.

[Grasswire2]

71. Seth Abramson is looking for the chryon that appeared to that effect.

Anyone have a way to find that and capture it?

[The Liberal Lion]

72. TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlueJac]

76. k&R

[Nitram]

77. Not only a smoking gun, but video of the shooting.

[GetRidOfThem]

83. Michael Cohen's new nickname I came up with...

the "Canary", because he's gonna sing just like one...

[samnsara]

84. now this morning its being said Mueller said he doesnt need cohens info..

...so does that mean Mueller's got hard evidence against trump already?

[workinclasszero]

89. It must be if that's true

Damn Donny two-scoops in in a world of shit, just waiting for Mueller's righteous hammer of justice to fall on his soft pointy head!

[NoMoreRepugs]

88. Once King tRumpy attacked the nations intelligence

services, I firmly believe a veritable mountain of information was made available to Muellers team. These are people who know EVERYTHING.

[pbmus]

103. Wall Street and our oligarch overlords

Have not made the call yet...

The second we start having real financial difficulties, the knives will come out...not before