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NY Times cover (Original Post) Yonnie3 Aug 2018 OP
That looks great! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2018 #1
He's hoping not to go to prison for the rest of his life mnhtnbb Aug 2018 #2
Got to wonder why Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #4
I saw somewhere the maximum sentence for the things he pleaded guilty to amounted to 65 years. RockRaven Aug 2018 #7
He knew what they had in the raid at his house. JohnnyRingo Aug 2018 #21
To be fair "a candidate for federal office" could be Mike Pence... RockRaven Aug 2018 #3
No, it was Chuck Schumer dalton99a Aug 2018 #8
Hillary? Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #10
That's it! Trump will claim that. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #19
Don't forget Obama, he has to be the blame too. SummerSnow Aug 2018 #26
Unfortunately he wasn't a candidate then. Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #27
As I said in a post in another thread... proglib217 Aug 2018 #25
Sorry, but Trump is now implicated in two crimes Hortensis Aug 2018 #29
And in addition to the supposition that everybody knows based on that wording... better Aug 2018 #30
There is only one candidate for federal office that Cohen was working with, D23MIURG23 Aug 2018 #31
This is the current front page, not sure if they changed it: joshcryer Aug 2018 #5
Your image is Tuesday Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #9
You are correct, I changed the URL and it's not there yet. joshcryer Aug 2018 #12
Mark is an editor. Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #14
Yeah, I just realized his twitter handle. joshcryer Aug 2018 #15
I have met him and trust him as a source, but realized Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #17
I didn't see the verified tag so I was kinda trying to find another source. joshcryer Aug 2018 #18
NYT UPDATED THE COVER: joshcryer Aug 2018 #22
Color! Yonnie3 Aug 2018 #24
Feels like that'll some dayend up in a coffee table book retrospective of this whole sordid affair. BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #6
One to save. volstork Aug 2018 #11
Goodbye Ruby Tuesday Skraxx Aug 2018 #13
kick , no text.. Stuart G Aug 2018 #16
Oh YES!!!! Cha Aug 2018 #20
republicans slime everything they touch Achilleaze Aug 2018 #23
Great cover Gothmog Aug 2018 #28
Most excellent.. Permanut Aug 2018 #32
Kick! joshcryer Aug 2018 #33

mnhtnbb

(31,391 posts)
2. He's hoping not to go to prison for the rest of his life
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:30 PM
Aug 2018

by pleading guilty and telling the truth about the orange one.

Yonnie3

(17,442 posts)
4. Got to wonder why
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:35 PM
Aug 2018

There will be a lot of speculation over the next few days, but I have to wonder if we will ever know why with certainty. There are lots of different pressures on him.

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
7. I saw somewhere the maximum sentence for the things he pleaded guilty to amounted to 65 years.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:36 PM
Aug 2018

I'm not sure that is correct, but if it were, 3-5 yrs is a bargain if you acknowledge that you're caught dead to rights.

And that's all the prosecution offered him (so far as is known based on the court filings -- just a guilty plea in exchange for a sentencing recommendation). No cooperation agreement yet, but that cuts both ways -- he hasn't promised to squeal yet, but also prosecutors have a reservoir of felonies they have not yet promised not to charge him with.

JohnnyRingo

(18,635 posts)
21. He knew what they had in the raid at his house.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:01 AM
Aug 2018

His only choice as I see it was to plea bargain or clam up and hope for the best like Manafort. I think the feds had a slam dunk and he just told them what they already knew.

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
3. To be fair "a candidate for federal office" could be Mike Pence...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:31 PM
Aug 2018

We had better get Cohen to testify in front of a grand jury just to be sure!!! Amirite?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. That's it! Trump will claim that.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:14 AM
Aug 2018

He'll say "It was Hillary who directed that. She was SO AFRAID of the sympathy that the people would have for me, for being so UNFAIRLY accused of doing things that I didn't do, THOSE LIES...that she was afraid the people would come out by the millions to vote for me! Of course they came out by the millions, anyway...she didn't realize that was going to happen, anyway....."

Yonnie3

(17,442 posts)
27. Unfortunately he wasn't a candidate then.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:29 AM
Aug 2018

If he had been, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

proglib217

(88 posts)
25. As I said in a post in another thread...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:23 AM
Aug 2018

I would have much preferred for him to have said "Donald Trump", not "a candidate for federal office." The latter gives us nothing. You may know, and I may know, to whom he was referring, but a trier of fact in a court proceeding doesn't. Guilt must be found beyond a reasonable doubt by a unanimous jury, and there ain't no way that burden is going to be met with what we have right now.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Sorry, but Trump is now implicated in two crimes
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:59 AM
Aug 2018

under oath by Cohen. The New York Times headline says Trump is implicated, with the entire top half of the print edition devoted to these developments. All DC analysts believe it is Trump. That should mean something to you.

As for why Trump was not named in this trial, they were not allowed to in that context. Apparently it's treated as something like a third-party statement to protect a person not on trial. HOWEVER, ex- prosecutors say if Cohen says the very same thing as a witness in a trial Trump would be named.

better

(884 posts)
30. And in addition to the supposition that everybody knows based on that wording...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:00 AM
Aug 2018

the criminal information actually goes on to note a particular date involved in the offenses, by which time "the candidate" had become President of the United States.

There's no getting around the very obvious fact that trump is implicated.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
31. There is only one candidate for federal office that Cohen was working with,
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:14 AM
Aug 2018

so the point is moot. "A candidate for federal office" can only refer to Donald Trump - any other conclusion would be absurd in light of the other information we have about Cohen's involvement with Trump and the election.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
12. You are correct, I changed the URL and it's not there yet.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:04 AM
Aug 2018

My bad. NYT posts cover pages but it's not updated yet I tried the URL to see if it was there and now I realize this is tomorrows front page.

This is YUGE.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
15. Yeah, I just realized his twitter handle.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:12 AM
Aug 2018

Feel bad for posting the wrong day now.

If it deviates it won't be by much.

Headline for the ages.

Yonnie3

(17,442 posts)
17. I have met him and trust him as a source, but realized
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:32 AM
Aug 2018

that these are preliminary. So much fake stuff out there.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
18. I didn't see the verified tag so I was kinda trying to find another source.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:37 AM
Aug 2018

On Twitter, if you don't have a blue little trophy thingie, you're not credible, but this guy, looking at his history, is credible to me. He has 40k followers, tho, probably legit. I shouldn't let that blue tag / verified tag be so relevant.

This is 99% the front page, with, as you suggest, possible variation.

We are about to witness history.

Yonnie3

(17,442 posts)
24. Color!
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:11 AM
Aug 2018

Fingers crossed here that this will not be the most momentous cover of the NY Times this fall.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
23. republicans slime everything they touch
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:00 AM
Aug 2018

we must rid America of the degenerate, greedy, unjust, treasonous republican values that have polluted our nation.

Permanut

(5,610 posts)
32. Most excellent..
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 12:01 PM
Aug 2018

A quibble with the NY Times, though. The sub headline reads "A One-Two Punch Puts Trump Back on His Heels".

Nothing puts Trump back on his heels. He has no conscience, he has no concern for anyone but himself. And he is not ever on the defensive; he will just continue to escalate his attacks. Fucking zombie.

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