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Can someone please remind me why, exactly, Manafort chose Dense to be VP? (Original Post) diva77 Aug 2018 OP
I have never heard a reason -- but I sure hope Mueller knows. Hekate Aug 2018 #1
So do I!!!! Can't be good!!!! diva77 Aug 2018 #2
Could it be that he made a deal with Pence to get a pardon from him in exchange for the office? diva77 Aug 2018 #3
Good question KT2000 Aug 2018 #4
To swing the Industrial Midwest with a right-wing Christian VP candidate who was known to the GOP dalton99a Aug 2018 #5
yet the right wing Christian voters seem so enamored of Dump -- how do they reconcile the diva77 Aug 2018 #7
not sure but i think Pence has a brother or some other family connection JI7 Aug 2018 #6
I remember reading about that; could be part of it diva77 Aug 2018 #8
I remember reading that too Lucinda Aug 2018 #11
He's a Christian Dominionist. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #9
Ah, thanks for the reminder and for resolving why Dump is popular with evangelicals. Pew research diva77 Aug 2018 #10
well, the Dominionists are a "special" breed. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #13
Pence was the perfect pick for VP ... NanceGreggs Aug 2018 #12
He lies so easily in interviews, hard to think of him as anything but a willing accomplice. diva77 Aug 2018 #17
Someone who "claims" to be a "Christian" yet lies as easily as Pence Achilleaze Aug 2018 #28
This. N/T Horse with no Name Aug 2018 #24
Pence is Putie's choice, not Paulie's. dchill Aug 2018 #14
do you think it's for the reasons stated in this thread? diva77 Aug 2018 #20
What I think is that no Christian Dominionist is a true... dchill Aug 2018 #21
To bring in right-wing evangelicals' votes is the most likely reason... Princess Turandot Aug 2018 #15
The same reason as the banker who wanted to run the army. Kablooie Aug 2018 #16
Entirely conceivable - If true, I wonder where he got the money? diva77 Aug 2018 #18
Gave Trump his "religious" coverage RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #19
Has Pence Been Interviewed By Mueller's Team?..... global1 Aug 2018 #22
To bring the crazed religious zealots to the fold n/t Horse with no Name Aug 2018 #23
Because he's no threat to Chump, brings the wingers, and looks like an aged Ken doll. mahina Aug 2018 #25
Could it be duforsure Aug 2018 #26
I recall it was down to Pence or Chris Christie Freddie Aug 2018 #27
Pence has state executive experience as Indiana Gov irisblue Aug 2018 #29
I think they used him as "cover" to give the ticket a touch of normalcy, but it's evolved Vinca Aug 2018 #30

dalton99a

(81,513 posts)
5. To swing the Industrial Midwest with a right-wing Christian VP candidate who was known to the GOP
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:15 AM
Aug 2018

rank-and-file and approved by the Koch brothers

diva77

(7,643 posts)
7. yet the right wing Christian voters seem so enamored of Dump -- how do they reconcile the
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:23 AM
Aug 2018

disparity in behavior between Dump and Dense? Did Dense really help swing that vote?

JI7

(89,250 posts)
6. not sure but i think Pence has a brother or some other family connection
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:15 AM
Aug 2018

to russia related thing.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
9. He's a Christian Dominionist.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:27 AM
Aug 2018

And somebody writing Trump speeches is using code words to that sect/cult. "Fire and fury" etc. They believe that Trump will deliver the Rapture during his term using the world's most powerful military. They freaking anointed him in the Oval Office. Erik Prince is another Dominionist. Scary stuff.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
10. Ah, thanks for the reminder and for resolving why Dump is popular with evangelicals. Pew research
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:33 AM
Aug 2018

estimates that 26 % US population identifies as evangelical Christian - didn't realize it was such a high number

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
12. Pence was the perfect pick for VP ...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:42 AM
Aug 2018

… and Manafort recognized that.

Pence on the ticket would seal the deal with Evangelicals, and calm the nerves of hold-out voters who wanted to see some good ol’ “Christian values” in the WH they didn’t think Trump could deliver on his own.

Pence had to demonstrate certain qualities that Manafort knew would be required going forward: a willingness to be obsequious to Trump, never defy him, flatter him at every opportunity, and not be overly curious about what he saw/heard going on around him at any point in time.

As we’ve seen, Pence has played his role extremely well, and Manafort has been proven right in his choice.

THE question at this point is: Did Manafort promote Pence as VP because he’d be the perfect look-the-other-way guy, or because he would be a willing accomplice?



diva77

(7,643 posts)
17. He lies so easily in interviews, hard to think of him as anything but a willing accomplice.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:06 AM
Aug 2018

yah, he has played his role extremely well - can't help but think of the water bottle mimic episode:



I'll bet this public milquetoast is privately crossing off the days on his calendar 'til he takes over.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
28. Someone who "claims" to be a "Christian" yet lies as easily as Pence
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 06:09 AM
Aug 2018

is most definitely up to evil shit, which has become the hallmark of the latter day KGOP anti-American republican party.

dchill

(38,502 posts)
21. What I think is that no Christian Dominionist is a true...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:57 AM
Aug 2018

believer in anything but power over all. Authority is their conceit. Not different at all from oligarchs. I also believe that Pents, like most Republicans, is in thrall to Russia, willingly or otherwise. Lastly, Pents strikes me as a serious enough quirk to have fallen into a Russian baited trap.

So, yeah, basically, for reasons stated in this thread.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
15. To bring in right-wing evangelicals' votes is the most likely reason...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:48 AM
Aug 2018

...as an offset to the reality of Trump's 'sinful' behavior.

No matter how many high-profile evangelicals tepidly mouth their "God forgives, no matter what" mantra* when asked about Trump's transgressions, I suspect that more than a few of them were put off by him during the campaign. Getting one of 'their own' on the ticket had to been an irresistible voting attraction.

*I could swear that those old nuns taught us that forgiveness requires contrition. Conservative Evangelicals seem to treat Jesus as a 'get out of sin for free' card.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
16. The same reason as the banker who wanted to run the army.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:56 AM
Aug 2018

Pence bought the position.

That's what I believe will come out at some point.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
19. Gave Trump his "religious" coverage
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:15 AM
Aug 2018

Diehard evangelicals would pass on their misgivings on Trump to vote for a bible thumping wacko like Pence.

And Pence knows this the closest he’d ever get to the White House with so many sinful infidels in America who don’t hate gays and abortion.

mahina

(17,663 posts)
25. Because he's no threat to Chump, brings the wingers, and looks like an aged Ken doll.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:48 AM
Aug 2018

Because he’s dumb as a shoe and won’t make waves.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
26. Could it be
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 05:37 AM
Aug 2018

Manafort was told by putin to choose him because they already had him compromised too? I also think that was why Tillerson and Flynn and Manafort was all put into their positions .

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
27. I recall it was down to Pence or Chris Christie
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 05:49 AM
Aug 2018

Of the 2, I imagine Pence was considered more palatable to anyone not from Jersey.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
29. Pence has state executive experience as Indiana Gov
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 06:58 AM
Aug 2018

& congressional experience & contacts. The hellbeast didn't have that. Kasich sure wasn't going to take the job & Christie was ( hoping) for the AG job. Pence has republican instutional memory.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
30. I think they used him as "cover" to give the ticket a touch of normalcy, but it's evolved
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:07 AM
Aug 2018

into Pence being the loyal manservant who may end up going down with the ship. There's no way Pence didn't know this shit was going on.

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