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I am female. I, like many other women, hate when women are judged by their looks, ect.,
But....
I just have to say something about Sarah Huckabee Sanders wardrobe.
She is a professional woman who dresses terrible and totally unprofessional.
Most women in her role usually dressed like professional women with a jacket and dress or top.
Huckabee Sanders dresses in flouncy, frilly things. In odd colors.
I'm sorry it sounds so unfeminist of me but, it drives me nuts.
I don't understand why they don't have someone help her with dressing as a professional woman in tailored pantsuits or skirts and dresses with a jacket.
It can even be cool looking. Just more like a professional would wear.
Am I being too picky or wrong?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)There is such a thing as dressing professionally.
Maine-i-acs
(1,499 posts)They hire out hat task. So this is how she looks with extensive handling. As good as it gets for her.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)She goes back and forth between dressing like an 80 year old and a little girl.
Doodley
(9,092 posts)expressions, her body language, her voice, and the way she dresses, so yes, I agree with you on her wardrobe choices.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Hekate
(90,704 posts)...with a smile, like the sun coming out. Not Sarah.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)As I noticed she was wearing that hideous black dress with the shoulder flounces yet again.
Since I have been watching The West Wing, I wondered why SHS doesn't wear a suit similar to what CJ wore for most of her working days. Then I realized that look would not work for SHS. She'd look like the SNL actress playing Sean Spicer!
Yeah, I know - mean girl snark, but it's true. SHS just doesn't have the build to look good in a suit. I know this from experience - I don't have the kind of build that looks good in a suit either (as a short, over weight busty woman).
lovemydogs
(575 posts)And trust me, I am not a button down person.
It's just that for that position, the flounces, frills and fushia colors should go
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Just not in a suit.
I have seen far too many women in business dress in what I consider non-business attire.
I'm just glad I never had to dress for other's consideration.
I ran a farm - jeans and tee shirts were and are my "business" attire. To go into town I would change into clean jeans and a tee shirt with a picture on it. Once when called for federal jury duty I wore my horse show clothes since I owned no dress suit or dresses. The judge seemed a little put off with a short dumpy woman dressed in good jeans, Western shirt with pearl buttons, big silver belt buckle, boots, and my good felt hat. Those were the dressiest clothes I owned. It did help convince him that I needed to be excused from jury duty since I was running a horse show the week of the trial and had no one I could delegate the job to.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)I know exactly what you mean. All the best in finding what you need.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I had to retire from the farm years ago. Now that most of my health issues are resolved I want to travel but I don't have clothes for dining out or going to shows, etc. Next year we're taking a cruise to the UK, spending three months there and cruising back. But I have nothing to wear to dinner or to any of the onboard shows. I have no clothes to wear in the cities we will visit.
While jeans and tee shirts are most comfortable, in my late sixties I think I need to learn to dress a little nicer. Now I have the money to but I haven't been able to find the styles I want to wear. I will either have to make my own or hire a seamstress!
Hekate
(90,704 posts)In a downthread post I shared an experience I had watching a skilled seamstress prepare to alter an off the rack party dress for a high school girl.
Personally, I plan to never sew clothing from scratch again, as I long ago lost the interest, skill, and manual dexterity (I'll be 71 shortly). But that's just me -- I have a friend my age who is in the Fiber Arts Guild and amazingly artistic.
In my life I have moved from office work (suits) to appointed county commissions (flowy knits from a travel line) to complete retirement. I had to figure out what to do when I gained a bunch of weight (pretty overblouses with matching scarves, trying to distract from my tummy). Last year I moved to a new town and my best friend is my SIL that spends her time tending her garden and making stained glass, with jeans and t-shirts appropriate to those activities. (I love her husband, but he does their laundry by stuffing absolutely everything into one load and hitting the hot water button. Sorry, but I'd kill him.) I'm trying to find a new level. Funny how that works.
And travel... Has always been a challenge because I lived for years in Hawai'i and now for decades in SoCal, where fall and winter climates are nothing like the rest of the country.
Anyway, you will figure it out, and I know you will have many happy travels, dinners, dances, and theater engagements.
Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)I live in a big city but still find the best clothes online. I used to be a jeans wearing person awhile back and never ever wear heels since I am the biggest klutz ever. Try to look for some flattering A-line or maxi dresses that are flowing dresses. These are extremely comfortable and feminine looking. Plus these dress styles look amazing with boots (any type of boots).
What is your height like petite or tall?
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I feel undressed, as if I were walking around in my nightshirt!
I'm now 5'4" (I was 5'3" until I got my knees replaced - now that I am no longer bowlegged I am an inch taller!) and very obese. For the last twenty years every time I start losing weight another health issue pops up. I've had thirteen major operations since 2001 and am now looking at having one on my back so I can walk around again. After my heart valve replacement last fall I lost 27 pounds - since my back problem got worse I gained back half of that.
I'd like to go more flowing in my style but I have to fight the years of running the farm. When working with heavy equipment you do NOT want loose clothing so it feels dangerous to wear flowy stuff.
The other thing I have to fight is never wearing artificial fibers. I am most comfortable in cotton or linen. The feel of polyester and other fake stuff irritates me. While I have found some neat flowy jackets and tops, they are not comfortable since they are made of rayon or polyester.
That's why I am thinking of making my own stuff or getting someone to do it for me. I can find cotton blend knits that would drape nicely and not have that slithery feel of the artificial fibers. I just need to keep looking I guess!
haele
(12,659 posts)They tend to have more of a designer look than "off the rack at Macy's Business look", and have to be tailored, with drape collars, diagonal lines, and venting in the right places to make a more symmetrical shape, but they're out there.
Hell, even a bolero top with a simple solid color princess line dress would look nicer and more professional than "frills and flounces".
And I speak as someone who's currently shaped like a potato sack and looks like it. I love a gypsy/Stevie Nicks look, but I have to be careful wearing them or I look like a babushka without a scarf.
Haele
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Since I see patterns for clothes I think I would wear but have no one to help me with fitting them. While I can sew, I have other things that I prefer doing so never get around to sewing clothes for myself.
Now that I am retired we will be traveling more and I would like to be able to dress up more than I ever have - if I had clothes that fit and I felt comfortable in. I should check at the local stores that sell cloth and see if I can find someone. All I need are a few really well fit slacks and some jackets in different styles and colors. Tops, I can find off the rack and add embroidery or lace if needed.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)tailoring clothes to fit great and look like current designer trends.
For example, they reworked the darts and side seams on a pencil skirt so it is more form fitting, which is the current trend. They also do reviews of patterns by Burda, Vogue, etc and recommend changes for better outcomes.
If your seamstress knows about Threads, she is probably pretty good.
WhiteTara
(29,716 posts)You paint a hilarious mental picture.
I don't believe your description of yourself, but you gave me a chuckle.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)The black or navy dress she is wearing today looks hot and wrong for summer.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)And flattering to nearly every body type. If I wore dresses, that would be what I would go for!
Looking online at "work dresses" the style right now seems to be shirt dresses.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Look matronly or shortwaisted or thick(er). Tailor the skirt to taper the sides so it isn't straight up and down. Maybe some color blocking. But the ruffly stuff makes her look more like a linebacker.
And there was nothing wrong with her smoky eye look, but she stopped wearing it after the WHCD.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)lovemydogs
(575 posts)TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)You know that we can't "unsee" that, right?
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)It would not be kind and I'm fine with that.
I would expect Sarah could care less as well. She's a frump. That's for sure. The world needs frumps too.
mcar
(42,334 posts)And isn't very good at it.
Plus, she dresses like she's 20 years older than she is.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)I'm in my late 50s. Don't have to dress for work anymore as I work from home. But I dress better, even in my shorts and loose tops.
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)LisaM
(27,813 posts)so I have to think it's intentional. Remember how the Gene Hackman character (a Republican senator) responded to that? Clearly, it's a coded look. Kind of a church lady look, IMO. Of course she could dress in a style more suited to her type, but there must be reasons she doesn't. She also looks about 20 years older than her real age.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)haele
(12,659 posts)SHS always seems to be wearing tea party casual, like she's having a lunch at the country club, rather than actually doing a serious job for the public.
If a man needs to wear a suit and tie for the job to look professional and be taken seriously, she should also. And she'd probably look better in a tailored suit.
Haele
lovemydogs
(575 posts)I remember Trump trashing Sean Spicer for his dress and it was not as bad as SHS
leftieNanner
(15,110 posts)Doodley
(9,092 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,439 posts)her shoes jibed with the rest of that bizarre outfit.
spooky3
(34,456 posts)Classic suits at a reasonable price and quality are especially hard to find. Even a conservative store like Talbots likes to put various trendy flourishes and touches on things, and sells short jackets and tight skirts and pants.
In the 90s you could find comfortable, flattering, high quality professional clothing at good prices everywhere. Its an ordeal to shop these days.
Arkansas Granny
(31,517 posts)been that if you want to be regarded as a professional, you must dress as a professional. That means classic styles in classic colors. Your clothing doesn't have to be severe, but it should be well tailored and make you look like you are ready for work and not a birthday party. She is, after all, representing the President. Save the more casual trendy clothing to wear on your personal time.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)That look doesn't seem appropriate for anyone in her position, regardless of their age or shape.
Arkansas Granny
(31,517 posts)phylny
(8,380 posts)No. Just no. No boots in the summer.
ProfessorGAC
(65,054 posts)Sunday, I saw a quite young woman (mid 20's is my guess) at the gas station
VERY short jean shorts, tank top, and mid-calf cowboy boots. (And we live about a thousand miles from Dallas)
I thought it an odd look, but chalked it up to being a 60-something guy
Then you wrote no boots in the summer
I felt a bit better about my fashion alert
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)I'm more concerned with how she lies.
This reminds me of tansuitgate and the issue of bare arms on a floutus. At least she has clothes on, lol...
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Whether she is wearing a frilly top, a tailored suit, or a onesy, whether she has a smoky eye or a beehive updo reaching to the ceiling, the same result will happen every time: she will stand there and spit out blatant lies just as naturally as she breathes. A lie in a suit or a lie in a frilly top is still a lie.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)She wears either cardigans or soft jackets with pants or skirt or dress.
Nothing out of brooks bros.
But, it is a professional look for today
catrose
(5,067 posts)or Andrea Vittolini or whatever it changed to. I can't imagine those being appropriate to any occasion (or designed for women who weigh more than 100 pounds, which is most of them).
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)Its to appeal to the evangelical crowd, which seems to feel women belong in dumpy frilly dresses and feminine hairstyles. Think Duggars.
Arkansas Granny
(31,517 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)that was always what I thought about SHS odd clothing choices - she's trying to NOT look like a professional. I've noticed some other repub women who make similar odd choices in clothing.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I believe she is a church girl and that's how all the church girls dressed when I was growing up in church. Show off without showing it off. Big hair and frills were in back in the 70s. (I graduated high school in 1981 and haven't been to a church service since)
She's from Arkansas right? That's close enough to Texas to probably be similar.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)the professional role they are in. She does not.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I don't remember too many women in her role before her, though. I've heard more than a few liberal women complaining about how she dressed.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)Lars39
(26,109 posts)to turn the conversation to herself, and to aggravate.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)As a woman of a certain size myself, I agree. She makes BAD choices that give the appearance of not caring (and perhaps she doesn't.) I've also observed that the spouses of politicians (of both genders) have an obligation to make better choices in their dress, style, and overall appearance/grooming.
All I'm getting at here, is that one's appearance says a lot about them. I do not believe that Sanders fully understands what her appearance says about her.
malaise
(269,015 posts)shouldn't this be terribly and unprofessionally?
She is a professional woman who dresses terrible and totally unprofessional.
Mosby
(16,317 posts)Drives me nuts.
Apple ad: "think different"
Eta I think it's called plu perfect or present perfect.
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)Mosby
(16,317 posts)It's called the adverbial form.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)Me and him always do.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)https://www.google.com/search?q=sarah+huckabee&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS781US781&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv65HUsoHdAhWJ1lMKHZEbAGcQ_AUICygC&biw=1902&bih=1066
These are fine for me.
And her attire is really the least concerning thing about SHS.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)I dress for comfort and luckily it suits being an unemployed grandma! My daughter is a professional and she dresses very nice.
I tried to watch the video of SHS and her dress was very distracting. It looked like something that maybe I would have liked to put on my Barbie doll back in the late 60s but then would have taken off (as hard as that was sometimes) because it is just goofy as clothing.
But it was when she started quoting the Bible that I couldn't watch anymore. She was not in church. Even for church that outfit would not be fitting.
Mosby
(16,317 posts)They aren't even a nice string, too big, looks fake.
a kennedy
(29,669 posts)womanofthehills
(8,710 posts)and ALWAYS ...... the pearls!!
Initech
(100,079 posts)Doesn't surprise me that Sarah doesn't have any.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Now it is solid colors but still there are flouncy sleeves or something else little girlish.
She gave up the Shirley Temple curls and extreme eye make.
I agree a nice jacket over a tailored blouse would help a lot.
procon
(15,805 posts)She was the only daughter of Mike Huckabee, a fire and brimstone kinda TV preacher, and growing up in Arkansas would only cement her fundamentalist fashion sense as a good, god fearing, modest christian handmaid.
She makes good money and can well afford to hire an assistant to see that she looks as best as she can, but she doesn't so she thinks she looks great. Remember her bizarro 'smokey eye', she thought she was beautiful in that clown makeup. Her clothing choices probably come from some christian clothing catalog or some little modesty store in her hometown where all the women are wearing similar styles. In her eyes they are the fashion leaders of the community.
KT2000
(20,581 posts)have personal shoppers who could help her for free. Nordstrom has them and they can recommend things that are not even that expensive.
I haven't seen today's photo but I am guessing that gawd awful lace collar on a floral dress? My non-religious sister had one and I had to tell her she could never wear it. Little girl outfit on middle aged women - Yuk.
procon
(15,805 posts)recommending what looks good on their customers. Afterall, they want them to be pleased and return to buy more, especially if they earn a commission for selling those high end brands.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)In my working life I wanted to look professional and I had a tiny fraction of the salary Sarah gets. I shopped sales and created a virtually timeless wardrobe over the years. I accessorized with scarves.
I had to teach myself, no biggy. The thing is, you can learn. From books, even. In giving thought to what would flatter my figure type, I also gave thought to what would flatter others. Sarah's wardrobe drives me crazy, in the few moments she's on my tv screen before I change the channel. I was shocked to learn she is only in her mid-30s -- I thought she was almost 20 years older. I have never seen a grown woman wear a black polyester double knit dress with shoulder frills.
She can, with her salary and in her line of very public job, get a wardrobe consultant, buy good stuff off the rack, and have it tailored to flatter her figure type. I watched it done once while waiting at a tailor's. A young woman, girl really, brought in a pretty summer party dress. She was quite chubby, and when she came out of the dressing room in her dress I thought (being an off the rack person myself) it fitted fine. Then the seamstress went to work with her pins, and the girl and the dress were just transformed. It almost brought tears to my eyes it was such a beautiful thing to watch. (All I needed was a pair of slacks hemmed because I was not sure I could manage that particular fabric myself. Never been back.)
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)anticipating the whole thing to burn down in a few months and she'll be out of work.
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)The point is she lies all day and is subverting democracy.
Whether she does that in a thong bikini or a pinstriped suit, she is still doing it. So why waste oxygen on anything else?
And I say this as a woman in a professional career who refuses to spend the exorbitant amount of time and money that society dictates women spend in order to look acceptable and be taken seriously in that career - please just stop. The instincts making you qualify your OP four times are correct. Just stop.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)It is ugly and it is petty, and it has nothing to do with the abomination in the White House.
We would not tolerate this if it was about a Dem politician. Sorry, but I find it sickening. All yall enjoy your petty fest. Trashing thread.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)...who committed such egregious fashion sins would also be talked about, because her appearance is truly visually distracting.
Of course, no press secretary for a Democratic POTUS would stand up and lie day in and day out, snarling and attacking the Press.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As I've lived by, dress for the position you want rather than have.
And Ms. Sanders seems to strive to be one of those people who spray cologne on you as you walk into a mall.
Bless her little heart.
joshcryer
(62,271 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)Some, in the communications field, use bold colors and textures to command attention. What's "professional" in one career may not always translate in another. You also may be showing a bit of a generational tilt in your distaste for her clothing choices. You clearly have a certain set of expectations, from your own experiences, as to what you deem to be professional attire. It seems to be a popular opinion among those of a certain age and background.
Here are a few examples of modern professional wear from a plus sized boutique......
Of all the things 45's mouth piece does, how she chooses to dress herself should not be an issue. This is small.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)I shunned suits. I liked to wear dresses. I like to be feminine and I didn't understand why we had to dress like men to be considered professional. I don't think I even wore pants once. I feel like we need to wear what makes us feel good. Also, I have always considered myself a raging feminist.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)I cant get passed that face of negativity, hatred, and lies. There is just an innate sense of white privilege anger that she exudes. Its the same thing I see when I see other women in the Republic Party on TV.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)Her dress style is abysmal. She looks like she's going to some Harvest Moon hayride thing. Someone should mention the words "business suit" to her, quick, before she dresses like she's on psilocybin again!
And what's with her quoting biblical stuff? Not all who listen are Judeo-American. Seems like she excluded a large part of our citizenry with that one!
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)whose "style" has yet to be discovered..
The Correspondents' dinner did have one positive outcome.No more super smoky eyes
I often had the same issues with Hillary and her boxy too-long-jackets suits.
women who have access to money and do not hire stylists are doing themselves a great disservice.
MOST women do not really know what flatters them and their body style.
and of course "professional" styling is another whole thing.. party dresses, cocktail dresses, beach wear, 8th grade school dance wear etc are NOT acceptable/appropriate..
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:43 AM - Edit history (1)
"Ruffles and Flourishes" and thought it referred to WH dress code.[link:|
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Not kidding.
Have you been to a fundy church?
Raine
(30,540 posts)but I really like girly girl type clothing.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)The other thing I enjoy (as in entertaining - not "like" is her amazing ability to deal with lies in an unflappable way. I'm not sure that's a talent we want to encourage.... but it is amazing.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)I also am impressed by her ability to shovel the manure straight faced and unflappable. You'd think she'd at least crack a grin when throwing a real stinker out but no... totally together. Don't know that I've ever seen anything like it.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)It looked like a 1980's prom dress from the little bit I saw of her behind the podium. The big frills coming off the shoulders were distracting. Maybe that's the point. She wants to distract and bait people into criticizing her clothing choices so she can whine and act like a victim as she did at the WHCD.
AnnieBW
(10,427 posts)They want their Gunne Sax back!
AnnieBW
(10,427 posts)I was just coming here to make a comment on the Huckabeast's frock today. The 80's called, they want their Gunne Sax back!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)U in biz school
ProfessorGAC
(65,054 posts)Now, i'm a scientist not a banker, but i don't remember a single offering in B school that had anything to do with professional appearance.
There are hucksters selling books about it, yes! (Remember, Susan Bickler?) But they don't actually teach this stuff in B school.
Besides, you really think SHS paid attention in class. Another silverspoon with connections, she knew she was never actually going to have to know anything.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I do remember classes perhaps about sales or maybe persuasion technique components of a class that talked about mirroring.
I think she's actually an expert at mirroring. Thanks to a combination of the handlers, including Trump, selecting her and her own innate country style. What better way to appeal to a trump voter than to wear a dress that looks like one they have in their own closet?
ProfessorGAC
(65,054 posts)Like i said, i did have that book by Bixler given to me at work, when i was already the best dressed guy in R&D. A little too GQ for some i suppose, but i hardly needed a book on how to dress nicely. It was pop psychology nonsense. (Think Stephen Covey, but about appearance.)
So, we're agreeing but i'm quite certain that other than someone teaching a B school telling someone (say in tech but looking for management) something like "Dress for your next job." they don't actually have classes on that.
I buy the "dress they have in their own closet." It's probably one of the ways that a bunch of snobbish, elitists got 60 million people to believe that this gang actually cared a whit about the average person.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Duppers
(28,123 posts)I care about what she SAYS, i.e. her lies.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,712 posts)It's a toned-down version of the Duggar girls' Pioneer Frump look. She's a good Christian woman wearing outfits that are stereotypically feminine (e.g., ruffles at the neckline) without being even slightly sexy. It's a style that also reminds me of the costumes worn in the Monty Python drag skits.
Polly Hennessey
(6,798 posts)She dresses the way she was raised - an Arkansas preachers daughter. She, most likely, believes her outfits are top-notch. She has not a clue what professional dressing looks like.