NEW: In an interview on Fox News, Manafort juror says there was a SINGLE holdout for the 10 counts

[MelissaB]

NEW: In an interview on Fox News, Manafort juror says there was a SINGLE holdout for the 10 counts that ended in a mistrial. The final votes were 11-1 for guilty. (They convicted Manafort on the other 8 counts of tax and bank fraud.)

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[lapfog_1]

1. That's what I figured

Its a wonder they got 8 convictions with a Trumpanzee in the jury

[triron]

4. Hopefully this will play a big part in Manafort's sentencing.

Question is will judge Ellis consider this?

[ThoughtCriminal]

19. It puts more pressure on Manafort to start dealing

He can be retried on all of those charges. When you only get 1-11 jurors on all ten, you might not want to try your luck again.

How long does he want to stay locked up? That may depend on whether he feels safer from Putin there.

[triron]

21. I also heard that the hung charges can be taken into account in the sentencing.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. Yep.

From what I understand, the pressure on holdouts can be extreme.


I figured there was some trumpanzee who had an unreasonable standard of proof.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Why wouldn't they have held out on all 18 counts if they were biased?

It's much more likely that they: (1) were not too bright and didn't understand the charges or some of the documents, or (2) insisted on a stricter interpretation of the meaning of proof beyond a reasonable doubt than the other jurors, or (3) didn't want to convict on all counts because they made an incorrect assumption about the consequences (jurors are not told about the defendant's possible sentence). If the juror was actually biased in Manafort's favor they probably wouldn't have voted to convict him on any of the counts (and in fact they voted for conviction on the most serious ones).

[triron]

18. I thought counts 14 through 18 were the most serious, but maybe I am wrong.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. My understanding is that the tax violations were the most serious

but I haven't checked the sentencing guidelines myself.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. My understanding is the pressure brought to bear on a holdout can be immense.

Maybe some trumpanzee did their best for the cause.

I think one of the questions sent to the judge was clarification on what reasonable doubt it.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. Maybe the juror thought that by holding out on 10 of the 8 counts

that the entire trial would end in a hung jury.

[PubliusEnigma]

2. jinx!

[GusBob]

3. One bad apple

If him or her committed the same crimes they would be in jail

I blame the judge

[bluestarone]

5. Does not suprise me in the least

[NightWatcher]

7. Always serve jury duty when called!!!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

28. My buddy is a public defender.

He hits the ceiling when he hears liberal friends talk about avoiding jury service. Old angry ‘law and order’ white people always show up.

[tonyt53]

8. I watched that interview. She said she wanted Manafort to go free but there was too much evidence.

She also said the deliberations were not political, BUT at the bottom of the screen right after that, it said she said it was political. She also admitted to being a trump supporter. Admitted that she wanted Manafort to go free. How the hell did she end up on the jury? That should have been a disqualifier. I was on a federal jury once and they asked us all if we had any opinion either way of the defendant during the jury selection process. If a person did, they were not selected.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. I'm surprised that one got through voir dire if that's what she thought.

But sometimes people aren't totally honest when asked about their political opinions. I also got called for federal jury duty once and everyone was also asked a similar question (and I'm assuming it was also asked in this case, considering the circumstances). It was a white-collar fraud case and I was really disappointed that they filled the panel before I was called (but the preliminary questioning was done before the full panel was seated).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. She wasn't the juror who hung on the 10 counts.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts

[tonyt53]

34. She brought that up multiple times.

What was also startling, is that she said that the "papers" they reviewed tried to connect Manafort with trump. Those papers would have been direct documents, not opinions. She was trying to give trump cover. But she also said repeatedly that the evidence was all there.

[donkeypoofed]

9. It's probably just a stupid person, not a GOP'er

[JI7]

17. they are they same thing.

[DURHAM D]

22. She is a Trumpeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer.

[mysteryowl]

10. Amazing that one person can have that much power.

[itsrobert]

11. Paula Duncan: "I did not want Paul Manafort to be guilty,..."

Paul Manafort juror Paula Duncan: "I did not want Paul Manafort to be guilty, but he was and no one's above the law. @foxnewsnight https://fxn.ws/2Mrmrzb

[triron]

12. The same holdout for all 10??

If true, that is just bizarre.

[Lee-Lee]

43. More typical than you think

[oasis]

14. He won't have the judge+1 idiot helping him out in D.C..

Manafort better make a deal or get used to Bologna and spam.

[JI7]

15. the thing about juries is right wing types are more likely to try to get on them including lying

while those who lean moderate to liberal are more likely to avoid them.

this happened with the Zimmerman trial also.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Do you know this to be consistently true?

Anecdotes are not data. I was a trial lawyer for awhile and never saw any trends like that - you got all kinds.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

30. My buddy is a Cook County public defender for 25 years.

He says the same thing. He hits the ceiling when our liberal friends bitch about jury service or avoid jury service. Too many older law and order types on the juries.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

40. I am frequently horrified at those who will do anything at all to avoid jury duty.

I know a couple of college professors who won't register to vote for fear that they might be called for jury duty.

Me, I'm always registered to vote, and I've been called once to jury duty in my life. Sigh. I wound up being dismissed because we were going on vacation in two days, had already bought the plane tickets, which was good enough for the judge.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. How often that sort of thing happens might depend to some extent on

the jurisdiction and the jury pool. One thing I did notice was that in state court there tended to more older and retired people on juries because they didn't have the usual excuses to get out of it, and statistically older people run more conservative. In civil cases you can usually figure out through questioning whether an older person is conservative in the sense of being anti-plaintiff. Federal juries seemed to include more well-educated suburbanites because the pool includes a larger geographic area. These people might or might not be politically conservative (that trend seems to be changing again) but if they are wealthy they might be more pro-corporate, which is one reason plaintiffs' lawyers try to keep their cases in state court.

There are legitimate reasons for not wanting to be on a jury, especially if someone is self-employed or has nobody to take care of children or family members. But no liberal should avoid jury service just because they don't want to do it. It's actually a pretty interesting experience.

[JI7]

32. it is mostly anecdotes but i think it is similar to voting

[backtoblue]

16. Could give us a clue about their earlier question.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2138644

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. The juror who said she was a Trump supporter was NOT the juror who hung on the 10 counts.

A juror who sat on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's case said on Fox News Wednesday night that only one juror prevented a ruling on all 18 counts against Manafort

Paula Duncan, who said she is a Trump supporter and that she had hoped Manafort would not be found guilty, said one juror could not come to a guilty verdict on 10 charges, ultimately leading T.S. Ellis III to declare a mistrial on 10 of Manafort's 18 counts.

Duncan said the deliberations were heated, evening bringing some jurors to tears. http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts

[whopis01]

41. That is not clear from the article.

Last edited Thu Aug 23, 2018, 07:00 AM - Edit history (1)

She says that one juror did not vote guilty on the 10 counts. She doesn’t say that the one wasn’t herself.

Edited to add:
It wasn’t obvious from the first article I read about it but it was made clear in others.

[oberliner]

29. This person is a proud Trump supporter who wore a MAGA hat to court every day

And she still voted to convict Manafort on all counts.

[chillfactor]

31. doesn't surprise me...

many of us here on Du thought that one juror would be the hang-up.

[Doodley]

33. It really does not matter. Manafort will spend the rest of his life in jail.

[dalton99a]

35. Manafort judge weighed declaring mistrial over jury issues, court transcripts show (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/politics/manafort-judge-weighed-declaring-mistrial-over-jury-issues/index.html

Manafort judge weighed declaring mistrial over jury issues, court transcripts show
By Katelyn Polantz, CNN
Updated 7:56 PM ET, Wed August 22, 2018

When Ellis started inquiring with jurors about what was happening on August 10, one juror told him the other members of the jury had been making remarks about politics and the case, and how one juror commented that "the defense was weak."

Jurors are not allowed to discuss the case among themselves until after both prosecutors and defense close their presentations and deliberations officially begin.

...

One juror, within earshot of another juror, commented that Manafort "has not presented any evidence of his innocence," Ellis first told the attorneys involved. The second juror reported the incident to the court, saying the juror who made the comments was "unimpressed" with Manafort's case.

That second juror then asked if the judge could tell the jurors they shouldn't make comments about the case before deliberations. (Ellis reminded the jurors of this during time at the beginning and end of every day of trial.)

...

[triron]

36. Bet this is pretty common in jury trials.

[Hoyt]

37. Honestly believe if they went after trump, any jury would have holdouts that would

stop a conviction. He’d have to shoot David Duke to get convicted by white wingers.

[SoCalDem]

39. Probably the "shelf corporation" person

[duforsure]

42. It may all mean nothing,

I think he's maybe already talking to people about talking and getting protections for himself and his family. He knows these people will put a hit on him in a second , and his family too, and realizes his only option is to talk to Mueller. Plus they have a ton of state charges that'll get him many more years in prison if trump tries to pardon him. He knows he has to talk now, and can't trust the Russians and Putin , or trump, they're liars. Manafort better be careful or he'll be silenced for good by them. We may soon hear he's talking and he and the family will be going into a witness protection program. He has no other alternatives left.