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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6094873/Mike-Pence-patiently-waiting-Trump-impeached-new-book-reveals.htmlPence demanded custom clothes embroidered with his governor title, has a creepy habit of rubbing people's shoulders and is lying in wait to take Trump's place to make country 'more pleasing to his god'
Bombshell new books reveals Vice President Mike Pence is waiting to see the hand of God at work in his elevation to the White House should Trump be impeached
The Shadow President: The Truth About Mike Pence, tells how the VP even considered trying to replace Trump on the ballot after the 'p***y-gate' scandal
After the tapes were released, Karen Pence viewed Trump as 'reprehensible just totally vile' and the Pences reportedly refused to take his phone calls
The book also reveals how Karen Pence underwent a fertility treatment called GIFT, not accepted by many Catholic authorities
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As President Trump faces increasingly intense scrutiny and calls for his impeachment, one man is patiently waiting in the wings to take over: Vice President Pence.
The presidency is a dream Mike Pence has embraced since high school and he's been willing to wait and see the hand of God at work in his elevation to the White House should Trump be impeached.
Pence came to believe that the way to his lifelong goal of the Oval Office was to tie his fate to Donald Trump even though he represented everything Christianity abhorred.
During Pence's first year as vice president, he had one public assignment: admiring Donald Trump.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Rorey
(8,445 posts)I think he and -45 should be incarcerated together so Pence can "save" him.
magicarpet
(14,160 posts)Now that would be justice. Dotard would surely go bonkers.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)He cant save anyone. Not even Mother.
catbyte
(34,426 posts)He's a True Believer, a Christofascist of the first order, and scary as hell.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I don't think there is a chance he will be removed. Whether he can win the 2020 primary (assuming Trump is removed or is so lame ducked that his own VP will challenge him) or the general is still TBD? Under the right set of circumstances Trump's 30% very easily could transfer to him. He is a real threat.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Im sure he is paying close attention to Manaforts inner circle.
Raven123
(4,862 posts)Quietly biding his time. Watch closely. He will separate himself from Trump without offending the MAGAts unless he is pinned down and forced to take a side - his Boss or his God. He is slippery.
He needs a tough interviewer to hold his feet to the fire and not let him spout his standard gibberish to pointed questions.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the House we will launch several investigations, including this one.
Major point: Trump repeated the campaign of hate, fear and division Manafort and Putin brought to Ukraine, perfected, and then attacked America with an improved carbon copy.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Every headline I see about him the last two weeks is how Pence is remaining "silent". Why would that be? To avoid incriminating himself perhaps?
The depths of the corruption are unreal.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)2naSalit
(86,765 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)2naSalit
(86,765 posts)Actually, I think she'll be glad to see him frog-marched into his cell.
Trueblue Texan
(2,440 posts)When I look at the creep at the mike broadcasting his radio show and compare to the pious little twit in the vp's office I just want to gag. Shuddddder! Get thee behind me, mfer!
Delmette2.0
(4,168 posts)I could only listen for about a minute. I didn't think he could talk so much or so fast.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)If -45 leaves office under whatever circumstances, I suppose we'll get stuck for a bit with Pence. He won't be liked.
Ohiogal
(32,045 posts)if this disgusting toady and fake Christian makes it into the Oval Office.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)a follower of the teachings of Jesus written about in the Gospels. If you want to see a well known public figure who truly tries to live that way, look to President Jimmy Carter. There's a bit in the Gospels where Jesus warns about false prophets and says we will know the real from the fake "by their fruits". Jimmy Carter is definitely a 'good apple' compared to Pense who's truly a 'rotten tomato'.
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)We must ensure that he never becomes POTUS.
uncle ray
(3,157 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think he would be more aggressive about pushing that agenda than Trump has been (since Trump doesn't actual care about any of that stuff, except insofar as it helps him politically).
uncle ray
(3,157 posts)we have a more immediate problem to deal with. we've dealt with fundies before, we can do it again should he somehow not be indicted at the same time as trump. i think many of us would love to go back to the days of relatively honest left v right debates rather than someone who cannot bang out an angry tweet without committing felony treason.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)For instance, I would argue that Trump's judicial appointments will actually have a more long-standing harmful impact than anything else he has done. And what I fear with Pence is that he would not only continue to re-shape the judiciary in a far-RW way but also attempt to promote legislation that would be similarly deleterious to progressive values.
uncle ray
(3,157 posts)that makes him similarly bad, minus all the treason. given the two options i will reluctantly take similarly bad minus treason over bad WITH treason.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If he pursues far-RW policies more aggressively and with more legislative success than Trump has.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Has. He does not have a cult like following. Wat would/could he do the Trump couldnt. The Pence is worse nonsense is so silly
JI7
(89,262 posts)Trump is doing everything that fundie right wingers want . is it not so bad because he is doing it for his own personal political support rather than personal beliefs ?
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)which would be completely against the Constitution Pence has sworn to defend. He is a Dominionist who wants the country governed by Biblical principles. Might as well have Sharia law.
JI7
(89,262 posts)shit he is already doing with Trump as "pres".
Paka
(2,760 posts)A truly scary man.
Very frightening stuff.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)But he is certainly involved with the treachery that took place that put that orange anus illegally in the white house. No to Pence and no to any republican ever again.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)than greed.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)Not because he'd be great on foreign policy, but because he'd be more predictable and conform more to existing rules and traditions.
But probably as bad or worse than American Psycho on domestic policy.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think the neocons are keen on an invasion - more so than Trump.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)TlalocW
(15,388 posts)Who see the hand of God controlling everything in their lives. You can't negotiate with them if they think God is backing them all the time.
TlalocW
DFW
(54,435 posts)I remember Anwar Sadat's complaint when trying to negotiate territory with Menachim Begin at the 1979 Camp David peace talks. Sadat said that he could negotiate with someone who said, "I need this land to ensure my country's security." He said he could NOT negotiate with someone who said, "This land is mine. God gave it to me."
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Laughable, preposterous, but believed! It's such an arrogant assumption.
Remember the old movie with Paul Newman.
It's rather like the US founders' arrogant concept of "the 19th century, manifest destiny" - "a widely held belief in the United States that its settlers were destined to expand across North America." And take lands from the natives. It was born out of the arrogant "sense of mission to redeem the Old World by high example ... generated by the potentialities of a new earth for building a new heaven."
Quotes from Wiki.
Crunchy Frog
(26,613 posts)DFW
(54,435 posts)At the next Middle East peace negotiation. If there ever is one, that is.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)sleep with their "mommies".
Duppers
(28,125 posts)They're
SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)He was personally warned during the transition that Flynn was a foreign agent and he did nothing. He is part of the conspiracy.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)the pence dog...dont hunt anymore.
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,693 posts)with a dose of Handmaid's Tale.
2naSalit
(86,765 posts)we will have in the jumpsuit lineup; Pence, Ryan, Mcturtle and several other high ranking Cabinet and Congresscritters on the R side of the aisle.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)and im not going to be regulated morally through the church by a bunch of absolute sinners on every level. That cudgel has no teeth.
Wounded Bear
(58,693 posts)The Catholic Church is the model for modern multi-national corporations.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)the people i go to church with (in the past) are pretty liberal and just do an eyeroll on the abortion thing. The gop ruined religion after 911. imho. Pedophile priests and padres and proctors and deacons are everywhere, they just dont get investigated and are hidden in their own whack job dogma. That's my take. thanks for your opinion though. Either way, I'm not going to be lectured by a bunch of political "God fearing moralists" on any level anymore. i understand what youre saying. You want whack job alt right? Bethany Church of God and every Baptist and baptist light church in America today.
**** All of that comment is directed to snake in the grass/slit eyed pence thinking he's going to resurrect and impute the church dogma in our political system. Its a control lever anymore, and THEY made it so obvious as to have 'wrecked' religion.
the jesus I was brought up to emulate (and I try to) was a very humble kind and universally thoughtful man who (if he was really a person) is a far cry from the judgmental (First book of the bible style) god amongst us.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)I was raised to take most religious systems with large, critical grains of salt. However, it was the Baptists... worse yet, some extended family of the Westboro idiots, that made my latter teen years a living hell.
And it was catholic nuns, on a few occasions who later fed and clothed me when I was homeless youth, they did so without questions, without judgement.
There were some catholic kids I grew up with who may disagree with us about that. Apparently the nuns got pretty screwy with "their own flock".
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...would put him in office.
kacekwl
(7,021 posts)This guy is a fanatic as well as a liar.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Women will be acceptable as long as we hide under rocks. Hopefully not rocks that were thrown at us.
And GLBT folks...I believe theyre automatically slated for death. As per the god of fear and brimstone.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)any significant dip in his lifestyle, the biblical bugaboo will fly straight out the window.
Religious hogwash maddens me unmercifully, in it's use to un-evenly divide the worlds shortening resources, in dividing families when one or another offspring doesn't live up to parental "standards", and most nauseatingly: such as "God told me to invade Iraq".
There's no good way out of this debacle. I feel my basic rights as a gay person personally threatened under a Pence dictatorship.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Manafort picked him.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Depends on when Trump goes.
I think they got the goods on Trump, Pence, Ryan and McConnell.
And people wonder why she cant say that impeachment is priority. That could sound a little self serving. She is playing it super smart as always.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,018 posts)SeloverB
(26 posts)Don't forget, if it is proven that Trump stole the election, Pence benefited from that theft as well. Pence would be no more entitled to his office, (vice president or president), than Trump is! BOTH need to go if Trump stole the presidency. We would need to find place holders for BOTH president and vice president until the next election in 2020.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)And IF that should come to pass in november, the only way to begin to get Some Justice for this, is for the Blue Majority to elect Hillary Madame Speaker.
Then impeach the illigetimate Republican TICKET.
sueh
(1,826 posts)about Pence.
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)I'm sure there's a story *there*
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Pence is the ultimate Commander Waterford.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,298 posts)Auggie
(31,184 posts)especially with the presidency just around the corner.
yuiyoshida
(41,835 posts)I do believe he will be included in the Russian Probe, and he too will come down as a co-conspirator crime with his Boss, the Orange President.
sellitman
(11,607 posts)He sells Caskets to Mortuaries.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)At least for many of us. Get rid of a grifting nutjob criminal, only to get a grifting nutjob theocrat. The purpose of the US government is not to "make the country more pleasing to his God.'"
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)when Speaker Pelosi becomes President
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Then Pence indeed has no claim to the presidency.
President Pelosi should then appoint Hillary Clinton as her vice president, then resign, making HILLARY PRESIDENT! Justice served.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Spiro Agnew was indicted and resigned the Vice Presidency before Watergate took Nixon down...
We had Gerald Ford to pick up the mantle of leadership afterwards...I always said he was like "mayonnaise on white bread"..pretty harmless and did minimal damage to the country after Nixon's departure.
Pence?
Scares the bejeesus out of me!
joanbarnes
(1,723 posts)handmade34
(22,757 posts)there is action before the end of next January... line of ascension Trump, Pence and then Ryan...
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)Nitram
(22,853 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)People are going to be so mixed up, all aspects of life will slow down, business, academia, medicine, name it.
Demovictory9
(32,468 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)stopped him from succeeding. The man is a true believer religious zealot.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Xolodno
(6,398 posts)Luke 4
[5] And the devil took him up, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,
[6] and said to him, "To you I will give all this authority and their glory; for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will.
[7] If you, then, will worship me, it shall all be yours."
So in essence, if your that much of a zealot, Pence has to accept he is an agent of Satan.
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)Blue Owl
(50,486 posts)n/t
Raine
(30,540 posts)to me...
Vinca
(50,302 posts)If he does, break out the chastity belts and burkas.