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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:52 AM Aug 2018

His ego and narcissism made him run for the Presidency, even though....

...he knew that if his campaign exposed the facts about his business dealings and tax returns, it could destroy him.

He was emboldened when no one forced him to make his returns public and the Republicans even defended his right to withhold them. He had operated in secrecy his entire life and the Republican Party protected his desire to keep everything secret.

His move to the world stage did not lessen his narcissism or his love for money. His saw the Presidency as one of the greatest opportunities of his lifetime. He no longer had to make shady deals with oligarchs and foreign businessmen, he could now make deals with foreign leaders. The payback had the possibilities of much greater return.

But, unfortunately, most of his business dealings were illegal and try as he might, he could not keep the secrets hidden forever. A Special Counsel was appointed to investigate Russian interference in our elections and he could not help but feel the investigation was about him. He attacked and obfuscated and blocked the investigation at every turn.

Ironically, I suppose, if his ego had not led him to run for the Presidency, he would have still been operating in the shadows, making shady deals with international criminals, and living his life of luxury. Now, it is on the precipice of crashing down upon him.

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His ego and narcissism made him run for the Presidency, even though.... (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2018 OP
And it's ironic that his lifetime of telling lies and conning people enabled him to become president Doodley Aug 2018 #1
. . . and it is ironic that some of trump's most righteous supporters, empedocles Aug 2018 #3
There are just too many GOPers wandering around ignoring Treason for it just to be Politics as erlewyne Aug 2018 #20
I think his hatred of President Obama took him over the edge malaise Aug 2018 #2
Absolutely correct! joshdawg Aug 2018 #7
Agreed, especially when the dumpster got dissed by Obama the the Annual Correspondents dinner. c-rational Aug 2018 #35
+ 1,000 malaise Aug 2018 #36
He was destitute and way, WAY overextended on Russian credit. Dave Starsky Aug 2018 #4
DS: Never thought of it the way you described his reason for running for the office. machoneman Aug 2018 #5
After reading Malcolm Nance's and now Craig Unger's books... Dave Starsky Aug 2018 #12
Yes that is what has occurred to me PatSeg Aug 2018 #17
I think he wasn't investigated previously because he was seen as inconsequential and not worth the EffieBlack Aug 2018 #27
I think he has been on the radar of the FBI for decades.... kentuck Aug 2018 #29
He was probably viewed PatSeg Aug 2018 #31
The funny thing (not funny haha, but you know ...) is that EffieBlack Aug 2018 #40
Yeah, that paints a very likely picture PatSeg Aug 2018 #41
My question remains how did someone who settled a $25M lawsuit malaise Aug 2018 #33
I know PatSeg Aug 2018 #37
Precisely malaise Aug 2018 #39
Yes he is stupid enough. njcpa1978 Aug 2018 #23
No - he got away with so much criminality in the past malaise Aug 2018 #38
No doubt, still, way over extended on putin credit empedocles Aug 2018 #44
His supporters turn it round & say it shows his self-sacrifice to fix the country Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #6
Yup. njcpa1978 Aug 2018 #24
tRump is the dog that chased the car and bit it and his teeth are locked in the tire. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #8
Excellent description! 2naSalit Aug 2018 #15
Kentuk has a good theory watoos Aug 2018 #9
I would agree that he did not think he would win. kentuck Aug 2018 #13
If he did not think he would win malaise Aug 2018 #34
That is an excellent observation. kentuck Aug 2018 #43
Well why should this contract be any different from every other one? malaise Aug 2018 #45
I agree PatSeg Aug 2018 #21
Ego too big.... njcpa1978 Aug 2018 #26
Fear of mobsters and hatred of Obama C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #10
I doubt it. Putin asked him to run in return for moneys loaned Le Gaucher Aug 2018 #11
I think he got a taste of the power a dictator has and Putin made him believe he could have it. rainin Aug 2018 #14
I think you are exactly correct 2naSalit Aug 2018 #16
I'd only add that the country has been feeling the impact of the reality show for 2 1/2 years. rainin Aug 2018 #18
I think economic 2naSalit Aug 2018 #19
In sum, he started to believe his own bullshit. Yavin4 Aug 2018 #22
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #32
So true EffieBlack Aug 2018 #25
Provevs says. njcpa1978 Aug 2018 #28
For the love of money is the root of all evil dalton99a Aug 2018 #30
He was trying to produce Springtime for Hitler MurrayDelph Aug 2018 #42
If you assume you can run an entire country, you have a massive ego. MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #46

Doodley

(9,138 posts)
1. And it's ironic that his lifetime of telling lies and conning people enabled him to become president
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:03 AM
Aug 2018

But it is his lies and conmanship that will also bring him down.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. . . . and it is ironic that some of trump's most righteous supporters,
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:23 AM
Aug 2018

are the most hypocritical, vicious, anything goes, voters on the political spectrum.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
20. There are just too many GOPers wandering around ignoring Treason for it just to be Politics as
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:51 AM
Aug 2018

usual (my line borrowed from stonepounder in reference
to the G.O.P. in general and specifically McConnell). Let me repeat
your post because it is well said. "and it is ironic that some of trump's
most righteous supporters, are the most hypocritical, vicious, anything
goes, ..."

EW

malaise

(269,187 posts)
2. I think his hatred of President Obama took him over the edge
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:22 AM
Aug 2018

True he always wanted to be President but his hatred of that cool black no drama Obama still consumes him.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
4. He was destitute and way, WAY overextended on Russian credit.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:38 AM
Aug 2018

His massive egotism, stupidity, and sociopathy is what got him to that point. But he ran for President because he was literally given no choice by his Russian creditors and masters.

machoneman

(4,011 posts)
5. DS: Never thought of it the way you described his reason for running for the office.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:51 AM
Aug 2018

It's a good point as he could not have been stupid enough (?) to not think every aspect of his life would be under a microscope even as a candidate. Someone MUST have told him that even just running, let alone winning, could expose a lot of things that he spent a lifetime hiding. So perhaps the kompromat wasn't really about hookers. Instead, the Russkies would reveal his illegal condo sales, tax evasions and other financial crimes that would land him in jail if he refused to run.

Kudos to you sir!

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
12. After reading Malcolm Nance's and now Craig Unger's books...
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:02 AM
Aug 2018

I've come to that inescapable conclusion, which now seems like it was obvious all along. For whatever reason, we all just ignored all the blatant signs. Maybe because, at the time he was running, it was all too fantastic and terrifying to accept.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
17. Yes that is what has occurred to me
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:43 AM
Aug 2018

Trump's "secrets" weren't all that secret. His corruption, deceit, and criminal ties have been common knowledge for years. Investigative reporters didn't even have to dig very deep to uncover his multitude of scandals. In many cases, they might have gone back and read archived copies of their own newspapers or perused the many photos of Trump with known criminals. Trump would just say, "I didn't know the guy. If he was in the same room, I wouldn't recognize him," and no one would challenge him on it.

Trump's secret life was really always an open book, but he was the master at deny and deflect. His associations with the Russia mafia and oligarchs weren't discreet or subtle. He was colluding with criminals in plain sight. It is amazing to me that there were no FBI investigations of the man and his businesses long ago.

There is a lot of blame to go around.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
27. I think he wasn't investigated previously because he was seen as inconsequential and not worth the
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:17 AM
Aug 2018

effort. I don't agree that it wasn't difficult to find the dirt. Yes, it was there, but this kind of corruption is very dense and difficult, complicated, time-consuming and expensive to untangle. Just look at how long it's taking Mueller with all of his vast resources to pull it all together. I don't believe the FBI or the NY state law enforcement officials had the bandwith at the time to bother with him. And while he hurt the occasional contractor, most of his dirty deeds didn't pose grave harm to large numbers of people, so they just left them all to themselves.

Which is interesting since he thinks he's such a big man. They likely thought of him as a small potatoes big talking rat not worth their time.

Of course, I have no way of knowing any of this for sure, but that's my take on it.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
29. I think he has been on the radar of the FBI for decades....
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:23 AM
Aug 2018

But they never had the funding or the manpower to go after him. This investigation has given them the opportunity to uncover what they have always suspected of the trump. He grew over-confident over the years, in my opinion. They now have the mandate to uncover international crime that has baffled them for a very long time.

In my opinion, the Congress should create a Special Commission to continue investigating this criminal element after the Mueller probe is finished. This is so deep and complex that no one truly understands the entire picture.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
31. He was probably viewed
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:53 AM
Aug 2018

as a rather goofy media hound with some questionable associations, not a real threat to anyone. Or perhaps authorities kept an eye on Trump Tower to surveil the Russians. He may have been their useful unwitting idiot.

I know there are a lot of complexities to the investigations going on right now, but it appears that they are moving much faster than many people had expected. I think it is because there is so much overwhelming evidence and being arrogant and reckless, Trump doesn't cover his tracks very well. I can picture investigators saying, "I can't believe this shit!"

It is all starting to sounds like a political spy thriller, but much too absurd for even fiction.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
40. The funny thing (not funny haha, but you know ...) is that
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 11:27 AM
Aug 2018

Trump avoided criminal ramifications not because he was some kind of brilliant criminal Mastermind too big or scary or crafty to mess with, but because, for all of his self-aggrandizement and narcissism, Trump and his boys were likely viewed by law enforcement as non-consequential silly little men not worth the time and effort to investigate and prosecute.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
41. Yeah, that paints a very likely picture
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 11:41 AM
Aug 2018

And meanwhile, Trump probably thought that he WAS a brilliant criminal mastermind, because the worst that ever happened was he had to pay some fines or financial settlement, cost of doing business the Trump way.

He was a profound genius in his own mind, not realizing that people thought he was too ridiculous and clownish to be taken seriously. No wonder he was always saying on the campaign trail, "It would be so easy folks, believe me."

malaise

(269,187 posts)
33. My question remains how did someone who settled a $25M lawsuit
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:55 AM
Aug 2018

for running a fake university become President? And this was at the height of the campaign.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
37. I know
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 10:07 AM
Aug 2018

Its not like that was a deep dark secret. The man was a known scam artist and show-boater with scandals surfacing, as he was campaigning.

I remember Obama's big 'scandals' in 2008 about "clinging to their god and guns" or the inflammatory words of his minister. The media rehashed them over and over again, whereas Trump got pass after pass regardless of what he did or said.

njcpa1978

(114 posts)
23. Yes he is stupid enough.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:09 AM
Aug 2018

Put him on a stage without handlers and the Donnie we know from NYC shine through. His whole life is an 8th Ave, 3 card Monte game.

malaise

(269,187 posts)
38. No - he got away with so much criminality in the past
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 10:08 AM
Aug 2018

That he thought he would skate through this as well.


Any of these would have disqualified most people. - no tax returns, a fake medical, settling the fake university suit, the 'grab them by the pussy' tape, and he was still allowed to remain in the race.

A lot of ReTHUGs had to have been in on this.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
9. Kentuk has a good theory
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:59 AM
Aug 2018

but I believe in the beginning he didn't want to win, he wanted the publicity to start a competitive cable news network, Trump TV. When Russia got involved he was obligated to follow Putin's path. Either way his life is becoming an open book, the rock he was hiding under is being overturned. Prison for the entire Trump crime family would cure his ego problem.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. I would agree that he did not think he would win.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:07 AM
Aug 2018

And he was not prepared to win. As has been shown many times over.

malaise

(269,187 posts)
34. If he did not think he would win
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:58 AM
Aug 2018

Why did the rent the old post office building? I think that was always part of this plot.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
43. That is an excellent observation.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 12:49 PM
Aug 2018

There are still a lot of questions about his purchase of "government property". He never intended to adhere to the contract he signed. He should be removed from that property, in my opinion.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
21. I agree
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:51 AM
Aug 2018

He saw a presidential run as a great publicity opportunity. I think he was even surprised when he started to realize that he might even win the republican primaries. I don't think he believed he would or could win a general, but as you said, he had to do Putin's bidding. There was no turning back.

When we look back at his campaign, it was one of the worst in modern history. There was no organization or real strategy. A lot of well publicized over-the-top rallies. He got so wrapped up in the energy and all the attention, I don't think he saw where it was going. Once there, he decided that he would use the presidency for his benefit.

njcpa1978

(114 posts)
26. Ego too big....
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:15 AM
Aug 2018

I agree with the run for publicity sake, but his ego will prevent it from ever being his daily. #1 Haters #2 Democrats #3 Mueller's bias #4 Fake News and on and on. He will never run out of others to blame.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
10. Fear of mobsters and hatred of Obama
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:59 AM
Aug 2018

He had no choice. No way out. Nothing left to lose.
He'd be dead or in jail by now if he hadn't won.
That was a terrific motivator.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
14. I think he got a taste of the power a dictator has and Putin made him believe he could have it.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:19 AM
Aug 2018

They complimented him, fed his ego and convinced him that he could destroy Obama's legacy (all the while knowing what motivated him because Putin is ex KGB and he knows trump's weaknesses).

I'll bet when he was in russia, he was treated to a front row seat to the power, all to stir trump's envy and desire. They gave him girls, girls, girls, all very young, and very willing and putin showed him what power looks like. Then they said they could make him the most powerful and LOVED person in the world.

He was an easy mark.

2naSalit

(86,804 posts)
16. I think you are exactly correct
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:30 AM
Aug 2018

about that. But there's soooo much more because idiot and spawn have been part of a dirty enterprise that many of the admin and Congress are tied to, either financially or as participants too. By participants I am suggesting something as horrid and evil as the evil disgusting things we are finding out about the Catholic church and many of our private institutions in this country. It will be exposed and pretty damned soon, I suspect. An election is a good time for this to come out so that a timely transition of personnel can take place easing the shock we are about to experience... as though we haven't had some major shock every other day for a year and a half.



rainin

(3,011 posts)
18. I'd only add that the country has been feeling the impact of the reality show for 2 1/2 years.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:44 AM
Aug 2018

On election day, I remember thinking how much I had aged from stress during the final year of the campaign. We'll never know how many people this man has already indirectly killed. The stress is constant. I remember feeling similarly before the crash in 2008. As soon as Obama was elected, I knew it was going to be ok. We still endured 3 job losses while the economy was in the turnaround, but we could see our country was in capable hands. How does anyone feel secure now? (except the rich, of course)

2naSalit

(86,804 posts)
19. I think economic
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 08:50 AM
Aug 2018

repair/revival will be the least of our concerns when the dust settles, but I know what you mean. I have been a wage earner since 1970 as a minority. When I finally got a formal education, the country was already circling the drain with W driving.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
22. In sum, he started to believe his own bullshit.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:02 AM
Aug 2018

He was never a great businessman nor a great real estate developer. He was always a con man through and through. His ego took over his mind and he started to believe his own cons were real.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. +1000
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:54 AM
Aug 2018

This. Winning the Presidency has only exposed him for the failure that he really is. It will be his undoing.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
25. So true
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:11 AM
Aug 2018

I think his - and his family's - biggest regret in life will be that he ever ran for president. It will eventually destroy all of them.

Unfortunately, they're doing unspeakable damage to the country in the process.

njcpa1978

(114 posts)
28. Provevs says.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:22 AM
Aug 2018

Proverbs says: He who walks with the wise will become wise, but the companion of fools will be destroyed.
I think that covers Donnie's regime.

MurrayDelph

(5,301 posts)
42. He was trying to produce Springtime for Hitler
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 11:51 AM
Aug 2018

He could collect all this money, and after he lost no one would question where the money came from, or went.


(Once again, life imitates Mel Brooks)

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
46. If you assume you can run an entire country, you have a massive ego.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:09 PM
Aug 2018

Every President but Washington has. Drumpf is just 10x worse than the rest.

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