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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, out of pure spite, Donald Trump orders the White House flag
to be flown at full staff, rather than half staff. This, despite other flags still being flown to honor John McCain's service. This petty action on Trump's part should be at the top of the news today. It is a shameful demonstration of the man's narcissism and mean-spirited personality.
I hope this is part of commentary on the part of all news media today, and that pointed questions be asked if there is a press briefing in the White House. Our boorish and vindictive President needs to be called out on this by everyone.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)by his actions. He cares about himself, though, and himself only.
treestar
(82,383 posts)will spin this.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I don't really see a way for the White House to shift this off successfully.
MiniMe
(21,717 posts)Oh, is the flag at full staff? The grounds crew takes care of that stuff.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hope the discussion keeps up throughout the week.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)here. I'm glad to hear it's part of the discussion.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)onenote
(42,714 posts)Technically, the "standard" protocol following the death of a Senator is for the flag to be flown at half-staff from date of death until sunset the following day. However, in the case of distinguished, long-serving Senators, it has become the norm for the president to order the flag to be flown until sunset on the day of internment (see, e.g., death of John Glenn, death of Ted Kennedy).
Trump is a shithole president.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That has often occurred. In this case, Trump is flouting public sentiment by taking this noxious step to punish a dead man for not bowing to The Donald.
The pettiness is striking, almost beyond measure.
Bonheur
(31 posts)Why are you falling over yourself with indignation over a Republican not being honored above and beyond standard protocol? Just because he opposed Trump, it doesn't mean McCain was some kind of saint. The love-fest for McCain here recently is mildly nauseating. I guess he had his moments, but for the most part he was just as bad as the rest of them.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)My malheur over this entire incident is caused by Trump.
moriah
(8,311 posts)No, like every human being, McCain had fuckups. Some less glaring/politically related (not being able to keep his first marriage together, but as Mom and I were saying regarding our own first marriages that didn't last *without* both of us suffering critical injuries and dealing with the separation from war, it's not like many people can say much except Carol), some that were (thinking ex-Democrat Lieberman *or* Sarah Palin would have been great running mates). And everything in between.
But we liberals often do have this somewhat annoying conscience thing that gets triggered when we see people treated unfairly. Even people we aren't traditionally allied with, even people we phonebanked against and door-knocked against a decade ago.
And mocking him for getting captured crossed that line for many.
Enjoy your stay!
I enjoy seeing Republicans being treated unfairly. They deserve it. I'm never gonna feel bad for them, and I'm not gonna participate in the McCain love-fest even if it's a prerequisite for "staying" here!
moriah
(8,311 posts)If you're worried about the length of your stay, you should examine the site rules, and ensure you don't break them.
Have a nice day!
Bonheur
(31 posts)The site rules say "support Democrats". Not evil right-wing scum! If you wanna fawn all over McCain, it would seem to me YOU should be worried!
moriah
(8,311 posts)Bonheur
(31 posts)Not me!
moriah
(8,311 posts)It's the only nice truthful thing I could say.
Aka, common decency.
For McCain, I can say a touch more -- that even if I vehemently disagree with how he thought the country should be run, I believe he actually did want it *to* run. Unlike the current occupant of the Oval Office.
Which is a truly sad state of affairs, that such low praise is considered "fawning", a "love-fest", or "canonization."
And you think that's supposed to make you seem like a good person? Thoughts and prayers for the Trumps and Cheneys??
I will piss on their graves, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here!
Yeah, whatever - have a nice day!
moriah
(8,311 posts)I think it's actually the perfect final tribute in that sense. Appears nice, but meaningless.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Perhaps you're not reading carefully enough.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)will never be forgotten by the men and women who have served America honorably. I don't give a damn what party, the insult will ring down through the ages as part of the disgraceful behavior of Dirty Donny (R).
moriah
(8,311 posts)I never served, our nearest link was my mom's first husband being deployed stateside during Vietnam to maintain the Titan silos.
But even I see something horribly wrong with ANYONE mocking someone for getting captured. FFS, even we didn't go that low in 2008. There were plenty of other policy-related issues that we vehemently opposed to talk about instead of his role in the war.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)We deserve to know where every elected "public" servant stands
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Let's go, news media. Let's take the measure of our elected leaders, so everyone can see.
mitch96
(13,912 posts)I don't like it but it seems the white house is following protocol for a change... Half staff
"On the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-mast#United_States
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onenote
(42,714 posts)when it is a long-serving, distinguished Senator. Recent examples include Inouye, Kennedy, and Glenn -- in each case the flag remained at half staff until after the burial.
McCain warrants the same honor.
mitch96
(13,912 posts)I agree and I don't like what the white house did.... And consider the order to raise the flag prolly came from the royal shit stain himself...
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njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Its like the Big Lie He does things so over the top that weak minded people guestion their own normal thoughts. Nobody would tell a lie that big, nobody wouldnt have the flag at half staff unless McCain was a bad man. Der Leader can never be wrong
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MineralMan
(146,317 posts)No Qanon here, thanks.
You wrote:
Are you CIA? Your so-called identity as a 70-something doesn't seem to add up to your constant disinfo.
Hmph!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)underpants
(182,829 posts)Today's Flag Status
AUGUST 27TH, 2018
National Flag: Staff
State Flag: Half Staff
Governor's Flag Order for U.S. Senator John Sidney McCain III
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/constituent-services/flag-information/
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)He can't control the national flag, but certainly can the state flag.
mnhtnbb
(31,392 posts)I can see them from my apartment. Stepped out on the balcony and took this photo. But, of course, we have a Democratic Governor. And he is well aware of how many military bases are located in North Carolina.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Good job, Governor!
Nice view, too, from your apartment balcony!
Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)FUCK HIM, FUCK HIM, FUCK HIM!!!
I just had to rant after watching this piece of shit. CNN and their pundits are calling it despicable, which is the nicest thing you can say about this scumbag in chief.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)himself through his pettiness.
Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)And he hasn't changed since he got sent to military school. The same vindictive, infantile pettiness and jealousy that infuses his relationship to Obama and his relationship to McCain has been his raison d'etre since an early age. He never was popular or respected and hates those who are. I believe he knows, deep down, that he will never ever get the kind of tributes McCain will this week and it is killing him. And we get to enjoy that.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)He did not order fireworks flown in celebration.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)He's a "low class" President, to use one of his favorite expressions.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Red Don is a small mean petty man, and at this point there is nothing he can do to diminish Senator McCain, only himself.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Criticism by two veterans groups is probably why he caved. What a sniveling, petty coward he is!