Ann Coulter "Actually, the Dutch (Afrikaners) were there first." referring to South Africa

[Demovictory9]

Kenya-born photographer Joseph Muhatia tweeted, "The land in South Africa belongs to black people they are the native owner and not white people."

To which conservative pundit

Pause a second.

Coulter claimed Dutch settlers who started showing up around 1650 were in South Africa before black people. We tweeted her to learn what she had in mind and didn’t hear back.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/aug/27/ann-coulter/coulters-strange-claim-dutch-settlers-preceded-bla/

[appleannie1943]

1. And the GOP want to write history books with that sort of crap.

[Glamrock]

2. Goddamnit.

Ya know, I cant unread this stupid shit!

[2naSalit]

8. Right?

All I can say is

[Glamrock]

10. If only the stupidity was pain inducing....

[2naSalit]

12. For them instead of us, yeah...nt

[Glamrock]

15. Oh no. No discrimination.

Stupidity should carry pain. Even on our side. Even for me. Granted, I'd have to stock up on the Excedrin migraine, but I'm cool with that....

[2naSalit]

16. I see it as

we already feel the pain of stupidity of others (and sometimes our own), like some in office at present and their supporters. I don't think they feel the pain because they're all pumped up on the adrenaline produced by fear and racism.

But I see your point, too.

[Glamrock]

17. Yep. Agreed.

But at very rare times, mind you, I'm incorrect. And yes, I occasionally say stupid shit. Again, very rarely. But it would be a godsend to be struck with an icepick like pain when this happens. Only so I could self correct, you understand. Others, mainly across the aisle, wouldn't be able to get out of bed..... That's just my very, very humble opinion....

[2naSalit]

19. I have no argument against that.

I know I am capable of stupid shit. I had a good laugh one day when i was with a new acquaintance who kept telling me that they thought I was "really smart", we were out hiking and I did something kind of dumb that made us laugh really hard. When we calmed down I looked at them and said, "I may be smart but it doesn't mean I won't do stupid shit sometimes!" Nobody's perfect.

[DavidDvorkin]

3. In some parts of South Africa

The Dutch were there before the ancestors of the black people who live there now.

It's not a simple situation.

[bettyellen]

7. The Africans there were pastoral and migrated in loops occupying different areas seasonally.

It’s ridiculous to argue they didn’t live their first because their way of living was different.

[2naSalit]

20. +1

[DavidDvorkin]

22. Reread what I wrote

In many areas, the people who lived there were not the ancestors of the black people living there now.

[bettyellen]

23. Yeah, I added context because they did displace other Africans.

[obamanut2012]

26. Still wrong, no matter how many times you say that

[obamanut2012]

25. wrong

[malaise]

4. Freaking wow

She said what?

[Ron Obvious]

5. It's not "the black people"

There were some tribes living in the area before the Dutch settled the area, but the Zulus were indeed a later invasion force that have nothing but skin colour in common with those tribes.

It's not as simple as it's made out to me, like history usually is.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. The San people AKA the Bushmen

They have slightly lighter skin color than the Zulu who are Bantu.

[Ron Obvious]

13. But they would consider themselves fully distinct people from the Zulus

Africa is tribes is my point

[Igel]

27. They are distinct.

They separated from most of the African population before the migration of the ancestors of most of the rest of the world out of Africa.

In other words, the San separated from the Bantu before the Bantu separated from the groups that would later become Asians or Europeans.

In the '50s they were still considered separate races. *After* "skin color is all there is" thinking of the late '60s took over, it could be said, "The genetic diversity within black Africans is greater than the genetic differences between Africans and other so-called races."

But that's because all we see is melanin content, driven by Western political needs, and when you do that you merge groups that went separate ways before Idi Amin's and Bjork's ancestors said ciao to each other 50-60 kya.

Consider all the other features that physical anthropology used to consider and you get a different pattern.

The Bantu speakers were invaders who genocided the Khoesan, and continue to do so. But since all we see is "they're black," it's not racial oppression. And given the political drive to exalt those who were victims and oppressed by Europeans, we have a difficult time seeing the on-going genocide, cultural and biological, being imposed on the people whose close relatives occupied most of southern Africa until 500-800 years ago. Because you can't both be victim and victimizer, oppressed and oppressor. And in this case, the oppression started before Europeans got involved, and resumed without missing a beat when the Europeans took a back seat.

[saidsimplesimon]

6. Please, this woman doesn't deserve any airtime, imo.

[ProudLib72]

9. If we are looking at the situation through the lens of 19th century eurocentric colonialists

then she has a partial point.

[unblock]

14. did she go on to say that black people were here in america first?

given that the average white person has been here about 4 generations and the average black person has been here more like 8?

[spanone]

18. ann coulter is dumber than a rock.

[Nonhlanhla]

21. The Khoi-San were there first

Both the various black tribes and the various white groups were relative latecomers to SA. The Khoi and San people were the original inhabitants. The black tribes had been slowly migrating southwards to SA by the time the whites arrived - the first major clashes between them occurred in the 19th century, when whites moved deeper inland and encountered black people in the Eastern Cape. So the picture is complex, as things in SA often are.

That said, as a progressive white South African, I say that Ann Coulter can F... off. We really don't need her type to make ignorant comments about race issues in SA. Back off!

[Wounded Bear]

24. The Dutch were there before the English...

which is why the Germans opposed the English in the Boer wars.

Remember the mindset of white supremacists. Only white people matter.

I knew someone who spent a couple of years in South Africa in 80's or 90's, I forget exactly which, but it was definitely during Apartheid. I never realized what a racist asshole he was until he came back from there. Basically thought it was some kind of paradise where "they knew their place."

He spewed the same crap. Yeah, it's complicated, but it's also bullshit rationalization.

[panader0]

28. To those in this post that think that the Dutch were there before the

native people I say----WTF??